Hackers acting as if they're doing a public service by bringing down a free publicly accessible tool is a new level of assbackwardness.
If the goal really was to force IA to increase their security, they would've tried to consult with them. This is more about notoriety and chaos and the hackers have no moral ground to stand on.
Yeah look at me flexing on and underfunded non profit.
Not at all hackers are criminals, but many are idiots.
was that their stated reason for attacking the internet archive?
to bring awareness to the security breaches?
little fucks.
"I stole your wallet because pockets are so vulnerable. I'm helping."
nobody know true reason
one group claim responsibility on twitter for ddos, reason they are us company and us support genocide in gaza. but from all us company they chose ia? sound like bullshit.
You know what would be good place to archive and show the coming generations how corpos were deaf to the GAZA's plight? Internet Fucking Archive
I just get the feel that they either are lazy for mentioning gaza or malicious to muddy the reputation of the protesters.
No, it was somehow because they hate NATO
oh good, that totally makes senseWHAT?!
You see, some NATO members have been known to use the internet. Artifacts of that usage may have been archived, like their statements and voting choices. For example, if IA stored a page where Jens Stoltenberg called a polandball comic "funny and accurate" in 2019. That would be bad for Gaza.
Hackers acting as if they're doing a public service by bringing down a free publicly accessible tool is a new level of assbackwardness.
are the zendesk hackers the same as the ones who brought down the website initially?
No. And it's hard to call the zendesk one a hack, even. They just used the same credentials that were leaked a couple weeks before.
iirc some group on twitter claiming that they were the ones behind the attack mentioned it had to do with Palestine or something like that? bruh the internet archive is a non profit organisation.
then when people pointed it out, they mentioned that since they were incorporated in the USA they were still guilty or something like that? dude wtf
That just smells like an actual false flag operation to me.
Black hat v grey hat innit
Their emotional maturity is close to zero.
They go after internet archive, such a lame move.
those hackers are probably paid by the corporations wanting to bring it down
As much as I probably ideologically stand with you, let's not confirmation bias ourselves into a belief we have no evidence for.
This person could be damaging corporate infrastructure but he goes after internet archive
I mean this person seems to be not doing it maliciously. As they say, if it wasn't them, it would be someone else. Pushing archive to improve their security is great for everyone. As long as this person doesn't do anything actually malicious, they're in the clear as far as I'm concerned.
This guy is outing the archive for terrible security posture by bringing attention to it because they received disclosures and did not fix them.
Don't get shit twisted - he's the hero here. IA fucked up and has been vulnerable to manipulation by any number of corporate or national actors this entire time.
If this was genuinely done out of love I could understand but due to the legal battles the internet archive is currently being dragged through, I harbor suspicion of their intent.
If they were really "the hero", they'd follow the bare minimum of responsible disclosure best practices, and allow 90 days between privately alerting them of the issue and going public with it. Two weeks is absurd.
90 days to cycle private tokens/keys?
90 days is just the standard timeframe for responsible disclosure. And normally that's just a baseline with additional time being given if there's genuine communication going on and signs they're addressing the problem.
90 days is standard for "you're code is fucked when someone presses this..."; if the issue is Dave left the keys in the parking lot and someone copied them, two weeks is more than enough time for them to recieve the notice, create a ticket to rotate the keys and a ticket to trigger an investigation (gotta document anytime an org fucks up so it doesn't happen again, right?). Maybe I'm over simplifying it though, I don't know how their org operates.
I agree in general, but
Maybe I'm over simplifying it though, I don't know how their org operates.
This is exactly why just sticking to the 90 day standard is better. For the supposed security researcher it's a CYA move at worst.
You don't leak a passwords database publicly on the Internet in good faith.
Not necessarily the same hacker.
It's not uncommon for hackers to sell cures for problems they cause. This includes law enforcement, which can have broader goals like promoting their own cybersecurity outfits, even just promoting deoendency on HIBP if it's a fed thing would be useful here, making the joke they left on the page telling people to check out the site itself suspect. The internet archive is a large and beloved outlet for piracy and depaywalling, maybe the security enhancements being billed to them could help the industry bring them to heel a bit. Just speculating.
Are you saying the person who sent the zendesk email is going to try to get IA to hire them for something? I'm not sure I follow...
No I think it's about "context creation" as they call it. Like a protetection racket where payment is made in dependence on certain tools, that is intended to be used later. Good way to popularize leaks themselves
Still not sure what you're talking about.. Is someone going to ask IA for payment related to the zendesk email?
I said it was about fostering dependence on the cybersecurity community. To what end, I do not kniw. But getting people to cloudflare their sites is great for surveillance. Cybersecurity outlets are intensely political and pro west.
Private security contractors have noted that leftists use the internet archive more than anyone. I have been reading their papers about online extremism. Very bad people
Thanks for clarifying.
I'm a vague motherfucker and sometimes I just get the feeling if I try to explain my three-quarters baked understanding of how intelligence works in academia and the tech or culture industry in an overtly benign way, I'm going to be tedious due to my lack of expert knowledge ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ like I should learn more first, to avoid being tedious
You sure about that, or are you hypothesizing?
There's never certainty when talking about hackers...
That's verbatim the content of the email and the email hack does not appear to be malicious (unlike the ddos or the password breach)
It's more likely that this is 3 different groups than it is a single group.
The hackers are mostly not okay. Fucking bootlickers.
I have to say that the way they are advertising "HAVE I BEEN PWNED" makes this look like law enforcement selling cures to problems they create. The owner has that CIA front company type CV. It makes my head shudder uncontrollably. 🐙🌕🤕
This strikes me as state-funded or state adjacent hacking. Kind of like how the destruction of Twitter eliminated a source of on-the-ground, 24/7 information for the working class on all of the events our governments would prefer we not see so that their propaganda can be produced more lazily. Destroying the Internet Archive acts as another hindrance to the working class when it comes to staying informed and enriched.
This message here in particular is not looking state funded if you ask me. Gaining access to zendesk tickets is a vulnerability which was published a few weeks/months ago and is not difficult at all.
I don't know about state funded, but corporations really, really hate IA for a lot of reasons.
I'm sorry, there is a .yachts TLD?
Did you find an answer to this?
Why they don't try to ddos and hack ChatGPT instead or something?
Because they're corporate bootlickers, paid or otherwise.
Look at the people that participate in "Hacker News."
Hey, instead of picking on that little kid, why don't you go harass that huge bodybuilder guy with all the knives attached to his belt?
well, yeah. its still better than picking on a kid.
FFS, that whole hack has left the IA a shambles.
The FBI sleeps when libraries burn
This dumbass is probably being paid by them in the first place lol
Ok, but no need to be bitchy towards the good librarians.
Doesn't seem to be ill intended, not a good way to point out a problem, but the problem is there.
Hackers acting as if they're doing a public service by bringing down a free publicly accessible tool is a new level of assbackwardness.
If the goal really was to force IA to increase their security, they would've tried to consult with them. This is more about notoriety and chaos and the hackers have no moral ground to stand on.
Yeah look at me flexing on and underfunded non profit.
Not at all hackers are criminals, but many are idiots.
was that their stated reason for attacking the internet archive?
to bring awareness to the security breaches?
little fucks.
"I stole your wallet because pockets are so vulnerable. I'm helping."
nobody know true reason
one group claim responsibility on twitter for ddos, reason they are us company and us support genocide in gaza. but from all us company they chose ia? sound like bullshit.
You know what would be good place to archive and show the coming generations how corpos were deaf to the GAZA's plight? Internet Fucking Archive
I just get the feel that they either are lazy for mentioning gaza or malicious to muddy the reputation of the protesters.
No, it was somehow because they hate NATO
oh good, that totally makes senseWHAT?!
You see, some NATO members have been known to use the internet. Artifacts of that usage may have been archived, like their statements and voting choices. For example, if IA stored a page where Jens Stoltenberg called a polandball comic "funny and accurate" in 2019. That would be bad for Gaza.
are the zendesk hackers the same as the ones who brought down the website initially?
No. And it's hard to call the zendesk one a hack, even. They just used the same credentials that were leaked a couple weeks before.
iirc some group on twitter claiming that they were the ones behind the attack mentioned it had to do with Palestine or something like that? bruh the internet archive is a non profit organisation.
then when people pointed it out, they mentioned that since they were incorporated in the USA they were still guilty or something like that? dude wtf
That just smells like an actual false flag operation to me.
Black hat v grey hat innit
Their emotional maturity is close to zero.
They go after internet archive, such a lame move.
those hackers are probably paid by the corporations wanting to bring it down
As much as I probably ideologically stand with you, let's not confirmation bias ourselves into a belief we have no evidence for.
This person could be damaging corporate infrastructure but he goes after internet archive
I mean this person seems to be not doing it maliciously. As they say, if it wasn't them, it would be someone else. Pushing archive to improve their security is great for everyone. As long as this person doesn't do anything actually malicious, they're in the clear as far as I'm concerned.
This guy is outing the archive for terrible security posture by bringing attention to it because they received disclosures and did not fix them.
Don't get shit twisted - he's the hero here. IA fucked up and has been vulnerable to manipulation by any number of corporate or national actors this entire time.
If this was genuinely done out of love I could understand but due to the legal battles the internet archive is currently being dragged through, I harbor suspicion of their intent.
If they were really "the hero", they'd follow the bare minimum of responsible disclosure best practices, and allow 90 days between privately alerting them of the issue and going public with it. Two weeks is absurd.
90 days to cycle private tokens/keys?
90 days is just the standard timeframe for responsible disclosure. And normally that's just a baseline with additional time being given if there's genuine communication going on and signs they're addressing the problem.
90 days is standard for "you're code is fucked when someone presses this..."; if the issue is Dave left the keys in the parking lot and someone copied them, two weeks is more than enough time for them to recieve the notice, create a ticket to rotate the keys and a ticket to trigger an investigation (gotta document anytime an org fucks up so it doesn't happen again, right?). Maybe I'm over simplifying it though, I don't know how their org operates.
I agree in general, but
This is exactly why just sticking to the 90 day standard is better. For the supposed security researcher it's a CYA move at worst.
You don't leak a passwords database publicly on the Internet in good faith.
Not necessarily the same hacker.
It's not uncommon for hackers to sell cures for problems they cause. This includes law enforcement, which can have broader goals like promoting their own cybersecurity outfits, even just promoting deoendency on HIBP if it's a fed thing would be useful here, making the joke they left on the page telling people to check out the site itself suspect. The internet archive is a large and beloved outlet for piracy and depaywalling, maybe the security enhancements being billed to them could help the industry bring them to heel a bit. Just speculating.
Are you saying the person who sent the zendesk email is going to try to get IA to hire them for something? I'm not sure I follow...
No I think it's about "context creation" as they call it. Like a protetection racket where payment is made in dependence on certain tools, that is intended to be used later. Good way to popularize leaks themselves
Still not sure what you're talking about.. Is someone going to ask IA for payment related to the zendesk email?
I said it was about fostering dependence on the cybersecurity community. To what end, I do not kniw. But getting people to cloudflare their sites is great for surveillance. Cybersecurity outlets are intensely political and pro west.
Private security contractors have noted that leftists use the internet archive more than anyone. I have been reading their papers about online extremism. Very bad people
Thanks for clarifying.
I'm a vague motherfucker and sometimes I just get the feeling if I try to explain my three-quarters baked understanding of how intelligence works in academia and the tech or culture industry in an overtly benign way, I'm going to be tedious due to my lack of expert knowledge ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ like I should learn more first, to avoid being tedious
You sure about that, or are you hypothesizing?
There's never certainty when talking about hackers...
That's verbatim the content of the email and the email hack does not appear to be malicious (unlike the ddos or the password breach)
It's more likely that this is 3 different groups than it is a single group.
The hackers are mostly not okay. Fucking bootlickers.
I have to say that the way they are advertising "HAVE I BEEN PWNED" makes this look like law enforcement selling cures to problems they create. The owner has that CIA front company type CV. It makes my head shudder uncontrollably. 🐙🌕🤕
This strikes me as state-funded or state adjacent hacking. Kind of like how the destruction of Twitter eliminated a source of on-the-ground, 24/7 information for the working class on all of the events our governments would prefer we not see so that their propaganda can be produced more lazily. Destroying the Internet Archive acts as another hindrance to the working class when it comes to staying informed and enriched.
This message here in particular is not looking state funded if you ask me. Gaining access to zendesk tickets is a vulnerability which was published a few weeks/months ago and is not difficult at all.
I don't know about state funded, but corporations really, really hate IA for a lot of reasons.
I'm sorry, there is a .yachts TLD?
Did you find an answer to this?
Why they don't try to ddos and hack ChatGPT instead or something?
Because they're corporate bootlickers, paid or otherwise.
Look at the people that participate in "Hacker News."
Hey, instead of picking on that little kid, why don't you go harass that huge bodybuilder guy with all the knives attached to his belt?
well, yeah. its still better than picking on a kid.
FFS, that whole hack has left the IA a shambles.
This dumbass is probably being paid by them in the first place lol
Ok, but no need to be bitchy towards the good librarians.
Doesn't seem to be ill intended, not a good way to point out a problem, but the problem is there.