Europe’s Greens ask Jill Stein to pull out of US election to prevent Trump victory
politico.eu
Green politicians from across Europe on Friday called on U.S. Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein to withdraw from the race for the White House and endorse Democrat Kamala Harris instead.
“We are clear that Kamala Harris is the only candidate who can block Donald Trump and his anti-democratic, authoritarian policies from the White House,” Green parties from countries including Germany, France, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Ireland, Estonia, Belgium, Spain, Poland and Ukraine said in a statement, which was shared with POLITICO ahead of publication
Haha they must be new to this, Jill Stein isn't running for president, she is running to split the vote like they paid her to.
Of course they know that. They're saying this to make exactly this point. While the average US voter will be entirely unaware of and oblivious to what some pinkos from cheese eating surrender monkey land say, potential green voters just might take notice.
If they haven't already, they won't.
Jill Stein is funded by Russia. Every multicellular organism knows this by now.
Yup, even my friend Fred the Fungi was just yapping about this, told me to follow the money.
You'd be suprised. My partner is very tuned in to politics and watches Hasan near daily, reads news, talks with me and her friends but casually mentioned she would be voting for Stein instead of Harris. I very quickly pulled up the Putin dinner party pic and a handful of articles explaining the various connections. It all totally flabbergasted her and she decided on Harris despite her, very legitimate, reservations over genocide. Realistically we're in a very blue state that will safely go Harris so it wouldn't matter, but I'm certain other people will still fall into the same trap.
Good. I was apart of the Green Party, I left when I learned they were planning of running a candidate this year, when internally, we were floating around the idea of NOT running a candidate.
That's interesting insider info. Was the reason for not fielding a candidate because of this particular issue (splitting the vote)?
Can’t say exactly, it was just floated around, I’m guessing it was for that specific reason, but that was around the time I was thinking of leaving for other reasons, they are VERY unorganized as a party and it really, really bothered me. The way smaller Transhumanist Party seems more organized than the Green Party.
Probably because running a presidential candidate is a waste of money unless your intent is to split the vote.
Start local, gain influence, work your way up.
Edit - to those downvoting, the Green Party literally has zero representation, even at the State level. And you want to jump straight to POTUS. Riiight.
Get one state senate seat. Get one House of Representatives seat. Get some kind of representation. Then you have a bargaining chip.
The threat of splitting the vote is a good reason to run, if you feel like your position isn't being taken seriously enough AND that it's important enough that everything else is worth losing.
The problem is that the majority of the Democrats are on board with green initiatives. The only holdup on the $10T program before was Manchin. She has now pivoted RCV, or more specifically destroying the duopoly because they are the enemy for "reasons".
Also, she's said that she wouldn't pull out even if the Dems gave her what she wanted. So it doesn't really work as a threat either.
Eh, threatening to split the vote might in theory get some campaign promises, but such promises are likely to evaporate when things get down to it.
Meanwhile if you actually hold a persistent presence in the house or senate, particularly when it's close, you got ongoing leverage. Hell, folks like AOC, MTG, Boebert have an absurd amount of national influence for being elected by merely a singular district.
IDK if I really want to know but I can imagine a mid-to-far-left party like the greens would have a lot of disparity in the views of members.
Why would ylu believe a rando on a forum post re: insider info?
Why would you assume I just believe them outright? I just said it was interesting and asked a follow up question to get more info.
Fair enough, cary on warning remains for others. :)
She won't.
Of course she won’t. She is Putin’s puppet.
I never get tired of showing this photo.
It is ten years old so you are not exaggerating.
Want to upvote your comment, but you're at 69.... Dilemma
It's only a dilemma if you're 12.
Isn't it too late for it to matter? At this point, she's on the ballots that she's on, isn't she?
Especially for states like Oregon that are primarily vote by mail. I already have my ballot, and Stein withdrawing won't keep people from voting for her
Yes, her name is already on the ballots, like RFK Jr is still on the ballots in many states, but the hope is her supporters will listen to her endorsement. Just because a person's name is on the ballot doesn't force people to vote for that person. Some people have voted already, some will continue to vote for her out of protest, some will continue to vote for her because they didn't hear she dropped out or didn't care. But the hope is enough people will hear that she dropped out and endorsed Harris that their votes will come through for Harris.
When I went to vote last week and saw RFK Jr.'s name was still on the Indiana ballot, I burst out laughing.
What a shit show, honestly.
European Greens must be dumb as fuck then, because the US Green party exists to:
Get
Republicans
Elected
Every
November
That would be against the entire purpose of her campaign.
Havent they pretty much admitted that shes running cause republicans have paid for her campaign, to try and split votes from democrats?
Sheesh, you're a bit late, folks. Besides, Stein is in the race specifically for the purpose of helping Trump win, so she wouldn't listen to them anyway.
I mean she has been running since 2012, are you saying that she has been a Trump plant this entire time?
If you are voting for Jill Stein it probably means that you have a distain for both political parties and want a candidate that's not anointed without a primary to vet them AND you don't want a authoritarian figure that will speed up our failing infrastructure and decline as a nation.
Trump has been running since 2016, so yeah, pretty close.
And frankly, even in 2012, her campaign has never been shy about taking help from the Republicans to spoil elections for the Democrats. Even if Stein isn't an active collaborator with them, she is at best a useful idiot.
dnc is spreading this bullshit as they can’t give people any positive context to vote for them.
jill stein has been climate cause since 1998 when harris was prosecuting poor people for petty crimes and advocating prison labor to save money in a rich a fck state california. stein actually left dnc when they repealed the clean election law to kill any pro-climate candidates becoming a threat to them. unlike flip-floo harris she has always been consistent to her cause.
this is just dnc spreading misinformation with the superpac money, showing there just as disgusting as trump.
source for above : https://blackmeninamerica.com/jill-stein/
https://prospect.org/justice/how-kamala-harris-fought-to-keep-nonviolent-prisoners-locked-up/
It's amazing how the spoiler effect propaganda from the DNC gets eaten up so easily by voters when a better system of rank choice voting would prevent the thing issue completely.
If the Democrats actually ran on these issues you stated seriously and were not so spinless they wouldn't have to try to fight third party candidates from running in court to push subpar empty suit politicians through the finish line.
Even in their own party, centrist candidate Dean Phillips tried to run against Biden and he had a media blackout and was actively fighting the DNC while the power at be pushed Joe "just a stutter" Biden.
If Jill Stein is such a threat maybe don't push the 81 year old incumbent on your base and with no primary to stress test his viability. Then when his brain shorts out during a debate and he drops THEY STILL don't primary Kamala who's 2020 run was absolutely destroyed the second people started listening to her word salad no answer bullshit get called out by Tulsi Gabard's grifter ass.
superpacs love her because she has no spine to oppose them or if by some miracle she does then they will destroy her as she has no persona and a terrible track record for a democrat. she could easily have been trump’s vp specially with her now supporting wall and fracking. we might actually have war-prarasite liz cheney as sec of state to give the full gop feel along with most successfully done genocide with our support.
source: https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36G366E
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala-harris-flip-flops-border-wall
Response from Jill: Can you outbid Putin?
Stein should shove off to fucking Moscow.
"Why do you think I'm running? Isn't this like telling me not to drink water to prevent hydration?" - Jill Stein probably
Too late. Ballots printed.
Mine was printed day of, just to be a pedantic jerk 🙂↕️
lolbruh. she takes her orders from putin.
European Greens have always hated the US party. This may seem like politically aligned people asking a fellow traveler to stop but it's not.
The US "Green Party" isn't really a party or even a cohesive group of any sort. They don't actually stand for anything other than "not the democrat". Oh, sure they throw stuff onto a platform for the election to try to convince everyone they stand for something but mostly it's a small fraction of former Democrats who come out of the woodwork every 4 years to obfuscate the presidential election with the net end result of taking a handful or votes that would have otherwise gone to a democratic candidate. After this election is over they will vanish again as though they were never there. This has been their modus operandi since their inception.
Eh, I would say that while there isn't a huge amount of alignment between many of Europe's Green parties, they all kinda hate each other for different reasons. The German and UK Greens have gone through a lot of shit over the years for their stances on Israel (way before the conflict), alongside Nuclear energy.
It's often been a long-running joke that the main barrier for the greens in power is themselves. They'd rather attack each other over issues that don't affect the electorate than try to mount a realistic challenge to govern.
Too bad she's a ruzzian shill and supports the whole of Europe being nuked by the orcs
Why can't a Democrat with a lot of money ask her what it would cost
Cuz Putin can outbid all democratic politicians put together
This notion is probably the must infuriating thing. A foreign head of state can use cash to influence our election overtly with no criminal charge for those involved.
Thank you Republicans and Clarence Thomas specifically.
It's so messed up.
Too bad they just noticed she's a stooge.
Third party candidates. The real threat to america. /s
Will she get any votes? Tune in next time on Election Ball Z!
No joke, I know two people voting for her because they believe it demonstrates people want a third choice. Sigh.
So they're delusional idiots.
If they live in swing states they are.
Ideally third party candidates could get concessions from either Republicans or democrats in exchange for an endorsement. Kennedy got some completely insane concessions from trump for example.
But Stein hasn't been reported to have asked the dems for anything. Which means the green party is trying to get trump elected. My guess is that Stein got concessions from trump to stay in the race.
harris can get a big push just by saying civilians casualties in gaza are way too many and israel need to do better. this has been a non-negotiable for grreen party so its her fault that they don’t want to endorse.
and they are very much right. current dnc is more pathetic that any republican govt before. they could have won it by landslide by having aoc or even just putting even symbolic sanctions on israel. but they don’t to set a precedent that people’s opinion can be taken into account. instead they continue spitting on us forcing lobbyists controlled genocider to spit on their voters. not everyone is going to fall for this trick third time in a row.
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Jill Stein
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a post I made earlier:
If Harris loses California, New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, Hawaii, Vermont, DC, or Maine-1 because of vote-splitting by Stein, it will be Harris’s fault. If you’re voting in these states, you might as well vote your heart.
https://lemmy.world/post/21147692
The Green party isn't a party worth anyone's heart. It's all a big grift funded by conservatives that only puts any effort into the scammy presidential run. I don't want more of that, I want progressives that challenge moderate Democrats in safe seats to give people a real option to move left.
I'm in Hawaii, and we're solid blue but last election the Greens had a whole of 2 candidates across the entire state. Some random party I'd never heard of had more candidates on the ballot. My state rep won with something like 2000 votes, no Green challenger in sight. If the Greens were a real party they'd jump on that opportunity. A little sweat and door knocking can pull off 2000 votes. Hell, we have Ed fucking Case in Congress. I'd kill to vote against him, but my only other option is a MAGA conspiracy theorist.
The GPUSA isn't a real party.
wp:2020 United States presidential election in Hawaii#Results
wp:Howie Hawkins
wp:2024 United States presidential election in Hawaii#Results
Apparently RFK, Jr isn't on the Hawaiian ballot, though your state has write-ins.
slim pickings here:
wp:2024 United States House of Representatives elections in Hawaii
however,
wp:2020 United States House of Representatives elections in Hawaii#Results 2
Aloha ʻĀina
Jonathan Hoomanawanui
6453 votes
2.37%
wp:Aloha ʻĀina Party
Why on earth would you feel compelled to educate me about my local politics by pulling up some wiki pages and then refusing to even format your message? And why the fuck would anything in this post indicate RFK might be someone to vote for? The theoretical appeal of the Greens is progressivism, not the unfortunate antivax shit that's glommed onto it.
And Aloha Aina is the local party I had never heard of before seeing them on the ballot, which may sound good to you because you know nothing about Hawaii, but is something in the vague realm between nutjob sovereign citizen types and conservatives that can't bear to be Republicans due to history.
(my bold)
and,
TIL
I don't know, but it might be saying something about ballot acess laws in Hawaiʻi.
fair enough.
according to WP:
Dude, I live here. I looked them up when I saw them and read the same dumb statements you're copypasting from Wikipedia. Which, surprise surprise, is not the whole fucking story. You don't live here and don't know anything about the politics here, so stop relaying useless wiki text.
The fuck...?
See this is your issue assuming we give a shit about jill or the green party. 😂
We dont. it was just a convenient box to tick because harris' campaign tried to remove her from the ballot, and fed their bullhorns the line about splitting the ticket. The vote would still have been cast for a different third party candidate unless Harris' position was corrected. It wasnt so the box gets ticked away.
Learn to properly focus your political energy: its much easier to get harris to flip than getting a million voters who have morals to flip.
So unless you want what is happening in gaza: learn to lie to your politicians.
Are you saying that if Stein dropped out, her supporters would have voted for De la Cruz?
possibly. cruz is a little bit too nutty. might have also left the presidential ticket empty. I probably would have gone the latter route. jill was just amusing due to the harris campaign trying to get her rejected from ballots.
Learn to read:
You don't counter this with "we don't really care about the Green party". Go repeat your argument somewhere that makes sense. I don't care about the 5D chess you think you're playing.
I'm sorry you made an assumption about what jill stein represents to people like me who checked that box knowing full well who she is, what she represents and that it made your entire argument fall flat. 🤷
Its not my fault you don't get why harris is a shit candidate. we've been warning you for months now. thats why harris is struggling. not because of anything jill has done. I certainly didn't make the democrats try to ban jill from ballots. now she just represents a convenient protest vote. if harris loses in the next 5ish days after the ballots finish being counted, well it certainly will be unfortunate. I'm 🤞 she doesn't but we tried to get her to change her policies before it was too late.