This title is a little misleading. No, Trump has not been arrested but he did appear in court. He is not in any form of jail (yet).
We need one of those mod appliable (or vote-appliable?) "Misleading title" or "headline altered" tags maybe
The headline was not altered.
That does make me wonder if there's an option in Lemmy to add tags to posts.
Biden returned the documents before they even know they were gone and he was the one who told them he had them. Trump refused to return the documents when they were requested back and he is caught on tape admitting to knowing he wasn't supposed to have them. Also he asked his lawyers to destroy evidence.
Huge difference between a crime with someone cooperating and someone who tries to destroy evidence. Also the content of trump's documents seem like they're higher level and more highly classified.
the Justice Department recommended the defendants be released with no financial or special conditions as they aren't a "flight risk."
Being “arrested” is not the way I remember it
Headline in five days:
"We were wrong" says justice department when asked about Trump fleeing to Russia for diplomatic protection.
Have you tried being rich?
I’m trying every day
Fucker needs to rot in prison!
he pleaded not guilty. and his lawyer said this is "an attack on america".
'cause he had boxes of papers he wasn't supposed to have, that this is an attack on america? yeah, okay 🙄
This is gonna be wild... the feds hardly ever lose.
With that, I'm very curious to see the fallout should he be convicted.
i'm a little worried some of his cultists may find their way onto the jury and block a conviction
Oh man they're probably all having wet dreams over being "the hero that saves America" or something right now.
All it takes is one. They’ll refuse to consider anything other than not guilty.
the rest of the jury can ask the judge to remove one who is not deliberating in good faith
they have him on tape showing people documents that he says are classified and that he also knows that he could have declassified them while in office but that he hasn't.
Yeah he's so fucked. Caught red handed worse than Nixon.
i am not excited to see the fallout, especially right before i am about to move out of a red state 🙃
Yeah! I chose my words carefully. I'm curious, not necessarily excited!
I'm unfortunately stuck in a red state, so I feel you there.
I work with many people who are so upset over this, calling it injustice and how horrible that we choose to prosecute Trump when we should instead be jailing Hillary, Harris, and Biden.
I bite my tongue and don’t say anything but it’s so frustrating.
As far as Hillary goes I am not sure why Trump's DoJ didn't hand down an indictment if it had evidence that she ultimately committed a crime? I guess the same is true for Hunter.
oh yeah! thank you for saying that :) trump had the doj under his control and still didn't have enough evidence to indict her. i would think that would shut up the "jail hillary and joe" crowd, but i guess they have super short term memory
To my knowledge and I am prefacing this with I could be wrong. In order to charge Hillary for the email incident they would have had to prove either Intent or Gross negligence and when it came down to Hillary I dont think the Doj had anything along the lines of these two factors, whereas trump and they even qoute him, hes talking about how the information is still classified but yada yada this happened, that fills the intent part and then for the gross negligence part they talk about how they found the boxes of files just strewn about everywhere in the club.
Feel free to correct me, this is just my understanding.
I probably shouldn't, but I let those people know what I think. If they want to bring it up, they can hear what I have to say about it too.
same here. i'm all for treating everyone as equal, but i'm pretty sure nothing new came up after hillary was already investigated and iirc biden was slapped on the wrist for not returning some documents. but hey, you know, one box is the same as rooms full of boxes, apparently
The whataboutism will be endless as well
Isn't it already?
*insert always has been meme here*
🌍🧑🚀️🔫🧑🚀️
glad to help.
He's just a walking blizzard of dishonesty.
his lawyer said this is “an attack on america”.
I'm wondering if the lawyers who quit did so because they were too embarrassed to say shit like that in court, despite a certain client's demands.
the lawyers that quit are lawyers who don't want to perjure themselves, probably 🙃
Lock him up!
Desinformation. Trump has not been arrested.
He was arrested, booked, fingerprinted, and formally charged on 37 counts then released on the condition that he avoid contact with potential witnesses in his upcoming trial.
I mean they keep telling him to stop talking about the case on social media, and that's not working out.
Trump will be released without having to pay a bond. He will not have to surrender his passport or restrict his personal travel.
Meanwhile, someone steals a backpack in NYC and languishes in jail for years, then dies without ever having their trial.
Well tbh both his ego and his bank account command him to try to run for president again so I don't see him fleeing.
As strange as it sounds, he is legally able to do both of those while in exile.
Imagine the secret service making themselves comfortable in the Kremlin.
that is so infuriating to me. no one should be above the law; trump and his cronies say the same thing. with so many americans getting profiled and wrongfully arrested and sentenced this makes me beyond angry
Clearly getting special treatment but the maga crowd will claim it's a targeted attack.
So under arrest really means he checked into the courts and said "Yup, I am fighting this legal charge." and walked away.
I hope he flees to Russia
That would be hilarious.
He is too stupid to flee. I bet his brain broke when he pleaded not guilty and the charges weren't immediately dropped. He thinks he is going to get out of this like all the other times he faced legal troubles
I'd like to see him manage to wiggle his way out of this one. I'm not American so I'm not familiar with the systems in place and all, but from everything I've seen, well... it's not looking good for him. At all.
But honestly, with Trump legendary incompetence and ability to keep on digging his own grave, I'm barely here for the politics, this is just good entertainment at this point. Even if I know that while this is funny, this will probably be remembered as anything but.
I don't think he can actually get out of this one, but he can still litigate it to hell and back. It will depend on which judges his various challenges land in front of and what their capacity for his bullshit is. But he's 77 and eats garbage and doesn't exercise. Very real possibility he just croaks before he ever sees the inside of a cell.
Jesus didnt realise that trump was 77 already :o then Biden is not too far off
I am from Poland and didn't really follow the whole case. Can someone explain me why there is a thread that he will be arrested? It is hard to find the origin as the whole case exploded.
He took top secret documents when he left the white house. They don't belong to him, they're meant to be secured in the library of congress or something. Anyway, librarians tried to get them back, he said no, did a bunch of illegal shit (including flashing them around people he wanted to impress) so FBI got involved, raided his place, found more secret documents, special prosecutor was appointed who took ages really nailing the iron clad case together. Now he been arraigned in court facing federal charges.
Because Trumps a dumb shit.
Trump took classified information during his time as president and failed to return them
When asked to return them he failed to comply until forced
When forced to comply, he still kept many documents the government knew were missing and lied to the government and his lawyers indicating that they were returned
Was caught on tape admitting that he knew they were classified and that it was wrong for him to have them
The first bullet point apparently happens often (Biden, Pence, Hillary have all done similarly in the past). Trump is singular in that he didn't readily comply with the request for the return of documents and the consequent lies to the government (also illegal).
Excellent. May his orange jumpsuit soon follow.
His skin is already orange, don't you think his wardrobe should match it?
It’s active camo. Just implemented incorrectly.
I'm just sad that federal mugshots aren't made public.
No mugshot "because the president is recognizable" EDIT: "Trump is easily recognizable" I guess that's a thing, though I've never heard of it being used before.
EDIT, I didn't quote it right, and @Powderhorn@beehaw.org caught me :)
The president certainly is recognizable ... thing is, he's a dead ringer for Joe Biden.
Presidents keep their title so he’s still “President Trump”. I hope his prison guards will respect that.
The resemblance between the current president and Joe Biden is uncanny, to say the least.
No worries! I'd just like to keep the referring to Trump as "the president" to his spin team. They never call him "the former president" for a host of reasons, but that doesn't mean reasonable people should follow suit.
So much unprecedented stuff has happened since his term, but I don't think anyone was ever confident he would actually stand trial for a federal jury.
He flew too close to the sun. He could have gotten away with so much shit, but he just can't help himself and doesn't know any boundaries.
A little on a tangent here but...
I'm guessing News and WorldNews will, again and like in Reddit, be actually USANews. Let's see what the fediverse and instances do bring to that issue.
That would probably depend on which instance you're using.
Unless I'm misunderstanding how this all works.
That's my understanding. The only challenge is searching for news communities but not knowing where the instance is geographically.
I'm sure it will sort itself out over time.
The fact is that the whole world is addicted to US news and everyone wants to know what happens to Trump. Like it or not, the US is still the country that everyone else looks to, even if it's just to shit on it.
I think at the moment it really depends on what posts people will submit to this community. There are still so few posts, that they will not get buried, like on Reddit.
I don't want to get my hopes up, but this feels very "end of the line" for him.
Man I hope. Otherwise, I'll have no faith left in this country.
I hope so too, but even if he does go to prison, remember, Hitler did too. And then became Chancellor of Germany.
I'm afraid we will be dealing with Trump until he dies peacefully of old age.
he'll get out of it one way or another. i don't even know how they're letting this guy declare a run for presidency
There are only 3 requirements for being/ running for POTUS:
Natural born citizen
35 years old
14 year residency in the US
In theory he could be found guilty, still elected and serve from a federal jail cell.
Cool, but remove this caps lock please.
It's in Trump tweet font
It's the original formatting from the news site. And anyway, if I wanted to format it differently, I would have.
I know, but please don't make Youtube from Lemmy
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First for everything in the opposite direction
Trump is arrested and Kutcher scores $2bn. Seems to me like he got played by his own son-in-law.
In a few decades we'll have Kutcher run for office as a self made billionaire.
I guess it's already happened, but this time seems like a bigger deal.
This is a bigger deal. Telling authorities you don't have top secret classified documents at your residence and allowing them to search certain rooms and then having them come back later with a warrant and finding them hidden in a bathroom (that they weren't allowed into originally) is really really bad.
It makes his other charge of using campaign donations for personal reasons look like jaywalking.
This is the biggest deal, imo. Having nuclear secrets, audio of him admitting he was breaking the law - and the public knowing about that, to me says they have much more ammo they'll be bringing to light in trial. I think he's screwed. I don't want to hold my breath, but this seems like it will really take him down.
He was processed in New York, too.
I'm going to guess that he's going to go through this process at least once more (in Georgia). I don't think he'll need to be fingerprinted and processed again if there are other federal charges while these are pending, but charges related to Jan. 6 might change his bail or conditions of release.
This is a bigger deal. These federal charges are way more serious than what he's facing in New York.
Justice.
Don't care who it is, I,D,R,G,L, you break the law to this extent you get punished.
Nobody is above the law.
The vast majority of federal cases end with a plea deal. Any idea if that could include forfeiting any right to run for public office? Would be great for peace of mind if so
Well he already entered his pleas today, "Not Guilty", and demanded (as is his right), a jury trial. The chances for a deal with the DOJ at this point are zilch, unless they can file amended charges based on a deal to enter guilty plea to some charges?
Am I missing something? I don't see where it says he's under arrest.
I like everything that inconveniences him, even though I am not entirely sure they will get him this time. He's kinda rich after all and that's how it is.
Being rich isn't as much of a defense when you've pissed off the DoD and there's recorded audio of you admitting you have illegally held nuclear secrets after lying and saying you didn't.
I get the worry though.
Personally, I think the CIA is also pissed at him after mysteriously losing tons of informants in 2020 and 2021. There are probably papers that trump mishandled that are so classified that they can't be used in the indictment, cause that would be releasing them. I do not like either the DOD or CIA, but if there are two groups in this entire world who I would not want to piss off, its DOD and the CIA.
It also doesn't get you off when you don't pay your lawyers, for whatever reason.
It's hard to believe that after all this time he'll actually go down, but there's no way the prosecution didn't pull overtime to make doubly sure that this is going to stick.
This title is a little misleading. No, Trump has not been arrested but he did appear in court. He is not in any form of jail (yet).
We need one of those mod appliable (or vote-appliable?) "Misleading title" or "headline altered" tags maybe
The headline was not altered.
That does make me wonder if there's an option in Lemmy to add tags to posts.
Biden returned the documents before they even know they were gone and he was the one who told them he had them. Trump refused to return the documents when they were requested back and he is caught on tape admitting to knowing he wasn't supposed to have them. Also he asked his lawyers to destroy evidence.
Huge difference between a crime with someone cooperating and someone who tries to destroy evidence. Also the content of trump's documents seem like they're higher level and more highly classified.
Being “arrested” is not the way I remember it
Headline in five days:
"We were wrong" says justice department when asked about Trump fleeing to Russia for diplomatic protection.
Have you tried being rich?
I’m trying every day
Fucker needs to rot in prison!
he pleaded not guilty. and his lawyer said this is "an attack on america".
'cause he had boxes of papers he wasn't supposed to have, that this is an attack on america? yeah, okay 🙄
This is gonna be wild... the feds hardly ever lose.
With that, I'm very curious to see the fallout should he be convicted.
i'm a little worried some of his cultists may find their way onto the jury and block a conviction
Oh man they're probably all having wet dreams over being "the hero that saves America" or something right now.
All it takes is one. They’ll refuse to consider anything other than not guilty.
the rest of the jury can ask the judge to remove one who is not deliberating in good faith
they have him on tape showing people documents that he says are classified and that he also knows that he could have declassified them while in office but that he hasn't.
Yeah he's so fucked. Caught red handed worse than Nixon.
i am not excited to see the fallout, especially right before i am about to move out of a red state 🙃
Yeah! I chose my words carefully. I'm curious, not necessarily excited!
I'm unfortunately stuck in a red state, so I feel you there.
I work with many people who are so upset over this, calling it injustice and how horrible that we choose to prosecute Trump when we should instead be jailing Hillary, Harris, and Biden.
I bite my tongue and don’t say anything but it’s so frustrating.
As far as Hillary goes I am not sure why Trump's DoJ didn't hand down an indictment if it had evidence that she ultimately committed a crime? I guess the same is true for Hunter.
oh yeah! thank you for saying that :) trump had the doj under his control and still didn't have enough evidence to indict her. i would think that would shut up the "jail hillary and joe" crowd, but i guess they have super short term memory
To my knowledge and I am prefacing this with I could be wrong. In order to charge Hillary for the email incident they would have had to prove either Intent or Gross negligence and when it came down to Hillary I dont think the Doj had anything along the lines of these two factors, whereas trump and they even qoute him, hes talking about how the information is still classified but yada yada this happened, that fills the intent part and then for the gross negligence part they talk about how they found the boxes of files just strewn about everywhere in the club.
Feel free to correct me, this is just my understanding.
I probably shouldn't, but I let those people know what I think. If they want to bring it up, they can hear what I have to say about it too.
same here. i'm all for treating everyone as equal, but i'm pretty sure nothing new came up after hillary was already investigated and iirc biden was slapped on the wrist for not returning some documents. but hey, you know, one box is the same as rooms full of boxes, apparently
The whataboutism will be endless as well
Isn't it already?
*insert always has been meme here*
🌍🧑🚀️🔫🧑🚀️
glad to help.
He's just a walking blizzard of dishonesty.
I'm wondering if the lawyers who quit did so because they were too embarrassed to say shit like that in court, despite a certain client's demands.
the lawyers that quit are lawyers who don't want to perjure themselves, probably 🙃
Lock him up!
Desinformation. Trump has not been arrested.
He was arrested, booked, fingerprinted, and formally charged on 37 counts then released on the condition that he avoid contact with potential witnesses in his upcoming trial.
I mean they keep telling him to stop talking about the case on social media, and that's not working out.
AP news says Trump will be released without bond
Meanwhile, someone steals a backpack in NYC and languishes in jail for years, then dies without ever having their trial.
Well tbh both his ego and his bank account command him to try to run for president again so I don't see him fleeing.
As strange as it sounds, he is legally able to do both of those while in exile.
Imagine the secret service making themselves comfortable in the Kremlin.
that is so infuriating to me. no one should be above the law; trump and his cronies say the same thing. with so many americans getting profiled and wrongfully arrested and sentenced this makes me beyond angry
Clearly getting special treatment but the maga crowd will claim it's a targeted attack.
So under arrest really means he checked into the courts and said "Yup, I am fighting this legal charge." and walked away.
I hope he flees to Russia
That would be hilarious.
He is too stupid to flee. I bet his brain broke when he pleaded not guilty and the charges weren't immediately dropped. He thinks he is going to get out of this like all the other times he faced legal troubles
I'd like to see him manage to wiggle his way out of this one. I'm not American so I'm not familiar with the systems in place and all, but from everything I've seen, well... it's not looking good for him. At all.
But honestly, with Trump legendary incompetence and ability to keep on digging his own grave, I'm barely here for the politics, this is just good entertainment at this point. Even if I know that while this is funny, this will probably be remembered as anything but.
I don't think he can actually get out of this one, but he can still litigate it to hell and back. It will depend on which judges his various challenges land in front of and what their capacity for his bullshit is. But he's 77 and eats garbage and doesn't exercise. Very real possibility he just croaks before he ever sees the inside of a cell.
Jesus didnt realise that trump was 77 already :o then Biden is not too far off
I am from Poland and didn't really follow the whole case. Can someone explain me why there is a thread that he will be arrested? It is hard to find the origin as the whole case exploded.
He took top secret documents when he left the white house. They don't belong to him, they're meant to be secured in the library of congress or something. Anyway, librarians tried to get them back, he said no, did a bunch of illegal shit (including flashing them around people he wanted to impress) so FBI got involved, raided his place, found more secret documents, special prosecutor was appointed who took ages really nailing the iron clad case together. Now he been arraigned in court facing federal charges. Because Trumps a dumb shit.
There's a LegalEagle video which sums it up: Trump's Bombshell Federal Document Indictment
Essentially,
The first bullet point apparently happens often (Biden, Pence, Hillary have all done similarly in the past). Trump is singular in that he didn't readily comply with the request for the return of documents and the consequent lies to the government (also illegal).
Excellent. May his orange jumpsuit soon follow.
His skin is already orange, don't you think his wardrobe should match it?
It’s active camo. Just implemented incorrectly.
I'm just sad that federal mugshots aren't made public.
No mugshot "because the president is recognizable" EDIT: "Trump is easily recognizable" I guess that's a thing, though I've never heard of it being used before. EDIT, I didn't quote it right, and @Powderhorn@beehaw.org caught me :)
The president certainly is recognizable ... thing is, he's a dead ringer for Joe Biden.
Presidents keep their title so he’s still “President Trump”. I hope his prison guards will respect that.
The resemblance between the current president and Joe Biden is uncanny, to say the least.
No worries! I'd just like to keep the referring to Trump as "the president" to his spin team. They never call him "the former president" for a host of reasons, but that doesn't mean reasonable people should follow suit.
So much unprecedented stuff has happened since his term, but I don't think anyone was ever confident he would actually stand trial for a federal jury.
He flew too close to the sun. He could have gotten away with so much shit, but he just can't help himself and doesn't know any boundaries.
A little on a tangent here but...
I'm guessing News and WorldNews will, again and like in Reddit, be actually USANews. Let's see what the fediverse and instances do bring to that issue.
That would probably depend on which instance you're using.
Unless I'm misunderstanding how this all works.
That's my understanding. The only challenge is searching for news communities but not knowing where the instance is geographically.
I'm sure it will sort itself out over time.
The fact is that the whole world is addicted to US news and everyone wants to know what happens to Trump. Like it or not, the US is still the country that everyone else looks to, even if it's just to shit on it.
I think at the moment it really depends on what posts people will submit to this community. There are still so few posts, that they will not get buried, like on Reddit.
I don't want to get my hopes up, but this feels very "end of the line" for him.
Man I hope. Otherwise, I'll have no faith left in this country.
I hope so too, but even if he does go to prison, remember, Hitler did too. And then became Chancellor of Germany.
I'm afraid we will be dealing with Trump until he dies peacefully of old age.
he'll get out of it one way or another. i don't even know how they're letting this guy declare a run for presidency
There are only 3 requirements for being/ running for POTUS:
Natural born citizen 35 years old 14 year residency in the US
In theory he could be found guilty, still elected and serve from a federal jail cell.
Cool, but remove this caps lock please.
It's in Trump tweet font
It's the original formatting from the news site. And anyway, if I wanted to format it differently, I would have.
I know, but please don't make Youtube from Lemmy
No
nO
First for everything in the opposite direction
Trump is arrested and Kutcher scores $2bn. Seems to me like he got played by his own son-in-law.
In a few decades we'll have Kutcher run for office as a self made billionaire.
I guess it's already happened, but this time seems like a bigger deal.
This is a bigger deal. Telling authorities you don't have top secret classified documents at your residence and allowing them to search certain rooms and then having them come back later with a warrant and finding them hidden in a bathroom (that they weren't allowed into originally) is really really bad.
It makes his other charge of using campaign donations for personal reasons look like jaywalking.
This is the biggest deal, imo. Having nuclear secrets, audio of him admitting he was breaking the law - and the public knowing about that, to me says they have much more ammo they'll be bringing to light in trial. I think he's screwed. I don't want to hold my breath, but this seems like it will really take him down.
He was processed in New York, too. I'm going to guess that he's going to go through this process at least once more (in Georgia). I don't think he'll need to be fingerprinted and processed again if there are other federal charges while these are pending, but charges related to Jan. 6 might change his bail or conditions of release.
This is a bigger deal. These federal charges are way more serious than what he's facing in New York.
Justice.
Don't care who it is, I,D,R,G,L, you break the law to this extent you get punished.
Nobody is above the law.
The vast majority of federal cases end with a plea deal. Any idea if that could include forfeiting any right to run for public office? Would be great for peace of mind if so
Well he already entered his pleas today, "Not Guilty", and demanded (as is his right), a jury trial. The chances for a deal with the DOJ at this point are zilch, unless they can file amended charges based on a deal to enter guilty plea to some charges?
Am I missing something? I don't see where it says he's under arrest.
I like everything that inconveniences him, even though I am not entirely sure they will get him this time. He's kinda rich after all and that's how it is.
Being rich isn't as much of a defense when you've pissed off the DoD and there's recorded audio of you admitting you have illegally held nuclear secrets after lying and saying you didn't.
I get the worry though.
Personally, I think the CIA is also pissed at him after mysteriously losing tons of informants in 2020 and 2021. There are probably papers that trump mishandled that are so classified that they can't be used in the indictment, cause that would be releasing them. I do not like either the DOD or CIA, but if there are two groups in this entire world who I would not want to piss off, its DOD and the CIA.
It also doesn't get you off when you don't pay your lawyers, for whatever reason.
It's hard to believe that after all this time he'll actually go down, but there's no way the prosecution didn't pull overtime to make doubly sure that this is going to stick.