There's a lot of iconic problems Apple has had with product launches in the past (attenna-gate and butterfly keyboards are some of the most obvious recent ones), but I cannot for the life of me understand how something like this slips through in 2023. They must have a thermodynamics team that helped engineer the chassis, and the SoC team must know the thermal output of their chip. Did they just not test the device?
Yeah, you would also think they must have had someone with two thumbs who would be able to bend it slightly...
Is piped not functional? Personally don't use it but thought that's what people use on here
It's what one bot keeps spamming, and it doesn't really work. The videos never play for me.
I’ve only ever gotten one video to play on it. It’s fine, I googled the title and was able to find the video. The guy doing that tear down is awesome btw! I can’t deny I winced a few times while watching it.
Got it, gonna post YT links from now on, that piped bot seems to handle them anyway.
And yes, Zach is awesome! Highly recommend checking out his channel before you buy new phones. Or just from time to time for the entertainment factor.
Next time just replace piped.video (or other) with youtube.com.
Well where do you think your 2000 dollar goes? The product? Ha. Apple is and was a scam for a decade.
Does piped not work on mobile browsers? I've never been able to play a single video on Firefox on Android.
It works fine on iOS, are you using Googles DNS? Maybe they're blocking it...
I use cloudflare for DNS. Site opens just fine, but videos never play.
It was probably just cheaper / greater profit margin
The article picture alone is gold.
iPhone 15 Pro has can have overheating problems
FTFY
iPhone 15 Pro owners are using it wrong
Apple
I can has?
Cheeseburger
Its an older meme but it checks out, Sir
This.
Been using mine heavily for a week now, it’s fine.
It depends on how youre using it and what youre actively doing from what ive seen. Its common for it to get hot for those doing the initial, just bought phone and transfering data due to the amount of data transfered between devices.
The other way people see it is when gaming, one reviewer I believe had the phone throttle while playing genshin impact, and heavier gaming is becoming a bigger marketing tool for Apple recently, as its actively advertising Resident Evil on its phone, and theres a few more devs coming along too. While phone gaming is a minority in cellphone use cases, its actually considered the largest paying base when considering the entire gaming industry.
I'd bet my left nut that games like Resident Evil aren't why mobile gaming makes so much money. It's those ridiculous F2P gem and city building games that have so many opportunities to buy coins that people get addicted.
Of course... but as he said as a marketing tool, you are not going to sell that kind of games on an apple presentation :P....specially if the intention is show how much powerful it is.
of course not, its always gacha that profits, as thats the current situation its that AAA titles moving onto it open up a new market. it just terrible timing that opening up the new market coincided with the hottest iphone in awhile
Same here and also haven’t noticed any heat issues. Admittedly though I’m not running resource heavy apps for long like some people do.
I have a friend with a 14 pro and she’s been having tons of heat issues since upgrading to iOS 17 so perhaps it’s not a 15 specific issue.
If it affects some phones, then it's a problem with the entire product because you don't know if it will affect your device.
I wish overheating was the only problem.
What are the other problems?
It doesn’t fit in my mouth
I know this probably doesn't need to be written out, but I'm having a really tough day and your comment helped me laugh and feel a little bit better. Thank you
You're holding it wrong
Physically, i think the other ones were that the phone is more fragile (can be broken with bending with only hands), and the phones with darker colored titanium edges gets its paint scratched off easily.
Titanium is very sensitive to scratches, just telling people as anybody who used an Essential PH-1 could tell you (I didd for 4 years)
Almost seems like the scratching of the phone is intentional. It would bring down the resale costs of the device and make them harder to trade in, and prompts consumers to think their phone is older than it really is in order to get them to buy a new one.
Not to mention that the heating issues on iPhone 15 are going to kill the battery faster than previous phones that do not overheat.
Its why imo if youre going to get a 15 pro or better, get the titanium color. Its a "new" color with a titanium border with the least color problems.
Oh man I miss the PH-1. Mine got it's screen cracked so I switched to Pixel. Just such a satisfying weight and size for it. But at the end the battery life was rough.
I do miss the weight and ceramic as well. Ive replaced the screen (multiple times, my fault) towards the end of its life and batteries, but tmobile cutting off 3g was time for me to move on from it (to a Zenfone 9)
The pixel to me isnt there yet to where i want it let me want it(outside of my preference for smaller phones) with the SOC(which is tied to battery life). Maybe until a generation after google launches its fully custom SOC where id consider getting the A varient of the phone only because its the smallest model.
Ah, I really wanted to go the zenphone route, but when my pixel 3 (I think) died, I went the cheap avenue with a 6A. I was about to travel to Scotland and needed a decent phone at a reasonable price. If I had the funds I'd have gone with your choice.
Scratching maybe, not sure.
But I saw an issue that the darker ones reacted in a more visible way with skin oil. And the phone was loosing color around the buttons or where people grip it.
The solution from apple is buy the new case to protect it, or wipe it frequently.
The new woven case is trash and gets nasty very fast.
buying a case actually exacerbates the scratching issue, as any small piece that gets into the case scratches it over time, hence experiences with Essential PH-1s. its just a symptom of titanium.
as a material, titanium is actually softer than some aluminum based alloys, so its softness allows for some dust, which have a higher hardness than it, to scratch it up. a common material that would scratch it up would be a grain of sand, and if caught inside the case, would do damage overtime.
It's probably happening during atmospheric reentry considering they're shipped in from the outer edges of the solar system.
This is expected if they kept the same N4 node and raised the frequency. Giving that A17 is using TSMC N3E node with raised frequency, this is odd. Or this is -maybe- the silicon lottery due to immature production? Or thermal conductivity of titanium to blame? Effectively keeping the heat inside. This could be really bad for the battery. They don't like the heat.
Or thermal conductivity of titanium to blame?
This is what two industry pundits cited on a podcast. I figure they probably know. Neither seemed concerned based on their own iPhones 15 Pro.
You have to sell a new phone every 12-18 months, because otherwise the shareholders eat you alive for not chasing infinite profits. You have to differentiate your new phone from your last phone, even if there are no meaningful changes to be made and the last phone was good enough for everything anyone would ever use it for (as was the one before it, and the one before that, and etc etc). You have to push for people to buy the new phone, because otherwise you don't make money.
So you tell the engineers to bump up the clock speeds on the processor 5-10% so you can market it as being faster. You market the phone as being revolutionary for using the USB connector that was forced on you by regulators because your proprietary one was filling landfills with e-waste and pretend like it was your brilliant idea all along. You make sure to limit that USB connector to speeds that were outdated 10 years ago purely so you have a built-in 'upgrade' for your next phone where you fix the thing that shouldn't have been a problem to begin with.
And then you realize your phone overheats because you overclocked the processor, all to squeeze extra performance out of a chip that 99.9999999999% of users will never notice or need. You've made the user experience of your phone worse purely so you could pursue an untenable goal of endless profit, a pattern you will repeat every 12-18 months for the rest of eternity or until the climate wars claim your life.
Only the most sane and functional economic system.
because otherwise the shareholders eat you alive for not chasing infinite profits.
I think that while the threat is real, the threat being a major motivator for upper management is largely illusory. It's absolutely there, but it's not making them do stuff they're not already keen on doing. Nobody weasels their way up the ladder to do non-profit-maximizing things, occasionally getting reprimanded for not maximizing profit and always one stray "the old phone's fine" tweet away from getting canned. They're willing and enthusiastic profit-maximizers.
There's a lot of iconic problems Apple has had with product launches in the past (attenna-gate and butterfly keyboards are some of the most obvious recent ones), but I cannot for the life of me understand how something like this slips through in 2023. They must have a thermodynamics team that helped engineer the chassis, and the SoC team must know the thermal output of their chip. Did they just not test the device?
Yeah, you would also think they must have had someone with two thumbs who would be able to bend it slightly...
https://piped.video/watch?v=IS0SItAzEXg
This isn't even the first time an iPhone has had this exact issue.
Functional video hosting service link: https://youtu.be/IS0SItAzEXg?feature=shared
Is piped not functional? Personally don't use it but thought that's what people use on here
It's what one bot keeps spamming, and it doesn't really work. The videos never play for me.
I’ve only ever gotten one video to play on it. It’s fine, I googled the title and was able to find the video. The guy doing that tear down is awesome btw! I can’t deny I winced a few times while watching it.
Got it, gonna post YT links from now on, that piped bot seems to handle them anyway.
And yes, Zach is awesome! Highly recommend checking out his channel before you buy new phones. Or just from time to time for the entertainment factor.
Next time just replace piped.video (or other) with youtube.com.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://youtu.be/IS0SItAzEXg?feature=shared
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Well where do you think your 2000 dollar goes? The product? Ha. Apple is and was a scam for a decade.
Does piped not work on mobile browsers? I've never been able to play a single video on Firefox on Android.
It works fine on iOS, are you using Googles DNS? Maybe they're blocking it...
I use cloudflare for DNS. Site opens just fine, but videos never play.
It was probably just cheaper / greater profit margin
The article picture alone is gold.
FTFY
I can has?
Cheeseburger
Its an older meme but it checks out, Sir
This.
Been using mine heavily for a week now, it’s fine.
It depends on how youre using it and what youre actively doing from what ive seen. Its common for it to get hot for those doing the initial, just bought phone and transfering data due to the amount of data transfered between devices.
The other way people see it is when gaming, one reviewer I believe had the phone throttle while playing genshin impact, and heavier gaming is becoming a bigger marketing tool for Apple recently, as its actively advertising Resident Evil on its phone, and theres a few more devs coming along too. While phone gaming is a minority in cellphone use cases, its actually considered the largest paying base when considering the entire gaming industry.
I'd bet my left nut that games like Resident Evil aren't why mobile gaming makes so much money. It's those ridiculous F2P gem and city building games that have so many opportunities to buy coins that people get addicted.
Of course... but as he said as a marketing tool, you are not going to sell that kind of games on an apple presentation :P....specially if the intention is show how much powerful it is.
of course not, its always gacha that profits, as thats the current situation its that AAA titles moving onto it open up a new market. it just terrible timing that opening up the new market coincided with the hottest iphone in awhile
Same here and also haven’t noticed any heat issues. Admittedly though I’m not running resource heavy apps for long like some people do.
I have a friend with a 14 pro and she’s been having tons of heat issues since upgrading to iOS 17 so perhaps it’s not a 15 specific issue.
If it affects some phones, then it's a problem with the entire product because you don't know if it will affect your device.
I wish overheating was the only problem.
What are the other problems?
It doesn’t fit in my mouth
I know this probably doesn't need to be written out, but I'm having a really tough day and your comment helped me laugh and feel a little bit better. Thank you
You're holding it wrong
Physically, i think the other ones were that the phone is more fragile (can be broken with bending with only hands), and the phones with darker colored titanium edges gets its paint scratched off easily.
Titanium is very sensitive to scratches, just telling people as anybody who used an Essential PH-1 could tell you (I didd for 4 years)
Almost seems like the scratching of the phone is intentional. It would bring down the resale costs of the device and make them harder to trade in, and prompts consumers to think their phone is older than it really is in order to get them to buy a new one.
Not to mention that the heating issues on iPhone 15 are going to kill the battery faster than previous phones that do not overheat.
Its why imo if youre going to get a 15 pro or better, get the titanium color. Its a "new" color with a titanium border with the least color problems.
Oh man I miss the PH-1. Mine got it's screen cracked so I switched to Pixel. Just such a satisfying weight and size for it. But at the end the battery life was rough.
I do miss the weight and ceramic as well. Ive replaced the screen (multiple times, my fault) towards the end of its life and batteries, but tmobile cutting off 3g was time for me to move on from it (to a Zenfone 9)
The pixel to me isnt there yet to where i want it let me want it(outside of my preference for smaller phones) with the SOC(which is tied to battery life). Maybe until a generation after google launches its fully custom SOC where id consider getting the A varient of the phone only because its the smallest model.
Ah, I really wanted to go the zenphone route, but when my pixel 3 (I think) died, I went the cheap avenue with a 6A. I was about to travel to Scotland and needed a decent phone at a reasonable price. If I had the funds I'd have gone with your choice.
Scratching maybe, not sure.
But I saw an issue that the darker ones reacted in a more visible way with skin oil. And the phone was loosing color around the buttons or where people grip it.
The solution from apple is buy the new case to protect it, or wipe it frequently.
The new woven case is trash and gets nasty very fast.
buying a case actually exacerbates the scratching issue, as any small piece that gets into the case scratches it over time, hence experiences with Essential PH-1s. its just a symptom of titanium.
as a material, titanium is actually softer than some aluminum based alloys, so its softness allows for some dust, which have a higher hardness than it, to scratch it up. a common material that would scratch it up would be a grain of sand, and if caught inside the case, would do damage overtime.
It's probably happening during atmospheric reentry considering they're shipped in from the outer edges of the solar system.
This is expected if they kept the same N4 node and raised the frequency. Giving that A17 is using TSMC N3E node with raised frequency, this is odd. Or this is -maybe- the silicon lottery due to immature production? Or thermal conductivity of titanium to blame? Effectively keeping the heat inside. This could be really bad for the battery. They don't like the heat.
This is what two industry pundits cited on a podcast. I figure they probably know. Neither seemed concerned based on their own iPhones 15 Pro.
You have to sell a new phone every 12-18 months, because otherwise the shareholders eat you alive for not chasing infinite profits. You have to differentiate your new phone from your last phone, even if there are no meaningful changes to be made and the last phone was good enough for everything anyone would ever use it for (as was the one before it, and the one before that, and etc etc). You have to push for people to buy the new phone, because otherwise you don't make money.
So you tell the engineers to bump up the clock speeds on the processor 5-10% so you can market it as being faster. You market the phone as being revolutionary for using the USB connector that was forced on you by regulators because your proprietary one was filling landfills with e-waste and pretend like it was your brilliant idea all along. You make sure to limit that USB connector to speeds that were outdated 10 years ago purely so you have a built-in 'upgrade' for your next phone where you fix the thing that shouldn't have been a problem to begin with.
And then you realize your phone overheats because you overclocked the processor, all to squeeze extra performance out of a chip that 99.9999999999% of users will never notice or need. You've made the user experience of your phone worse purely so you could pursue an untenable goal of endless profit, a pattern you will repeat every 12-18 months for the rest of eternity or until the climate wars claim your life.
Only the most sane and functional economic system.
I think that while the threat is real, the threat being a major motivator for upper management is largely illusory. It's absolutely there, but it's not making them do stuff they're not already keen on doing. Nobody weasels their way up the ladder to do non-profit-maximizing things, occasionally getting reprimanded for not maximizing profit and always one stray "the old phone's fine" tweet away from getting canned. They're willing and enthusiastic profit-maximizers.
Comes with the price tag, I imagine.
itoddlers btfo