Actors’ Union Says It Receives ‘Last, Best and Final’ Offer From Studios
What the fuck are the studios gonna do, make movies and shows without actors?
Highlights: The negotiating committee of the actors’ union, SAG-AFTRA, told its members on Saturday that it had received a “Last, Best and Final Offer” from the major entertainment studios as a strike that has brought much of Hollywood to a standstill continued for a 114th day.
“We are reviewing it and considering our response within the context of the critical issues addressed in our proposals,” the negotiating committee said. They did not say when they would respond to the offer, which came after an hourlong video conference call that included top studio executives.
Included in the offer was a wage increase that could be the highest in four decades, according to a person familiar with the offer who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the negotiations. The studios also offered the actors a new way to determine residuals for streaming programs based on performance metrics, and protections on artificial intelligence, including consent and compensation requirements. The studios also offered an increase to the pension and health funds.
As a Teamster union steward, any time I hear about a last, best, final, I immediately get super skeptical. Which one is it? Last? Best? Or final?
Probably not best. Probably not last. Final? Doubtful.
Whatever the offer, triple it, then double that. SAG has these motherfuckers by the balls. Double the triple double. Fuck them all.
What's the difference between last and final?
Probably nothing, and that's just another reason I don't believe them.
Its the last version ist the one you just got, the final the one with the filename "offer_final_final_nowreally_2.0_final_actuallyfinal.pdf"
ha, isnt it always the last offer? i mean, if it wasnt they would wait for the next!
its like finding your keys, theyre always in the last place you look!
It's just awkwardly worded. The SAG reported they've received an offer from the studio, in which they studio called "the last, best, and final" offer they're (sag) going to get.
It's blatantly untrue, though. If the actors don't accept it are the studios going to just close up shop? No. So it's absolutely not the final offer unless they accept it.
Agreed. It's just studio bravado. "THIS IS MY LAST, BEST, AND FINAL OFFER PARKER!" as Spiderman continues and JJJ keeps paying despite his previous outburst.
Yeah, it's just bullshit. They said the same thing during the writer's strike before making two more offers.
Not if you keep looking 🤔
That was a Jeff Foxworthy bit.
"Hey, Jeff, you find your wallet?"
"Yeah, but I'm still lookin' for it. Just in case we're livin' in a parallel universe."
you keep looking for things after you find them? i guess everyone needs a hobby
It's called ADHD, I sometimes go looking for my phone while it's right in my hand.
I've been known once or twice to find my keys (or phone, that wrench, etc.) get distracted immediately after, then go back to looking for thembecause that's what I remember doing before I got distracted while they're right there in my hand.
You could arguably say that I re-lost them and started a new search, but I think it's funnier to say I kept looking after it's been found.
I kept looking and going YOUR keys, too!
I will do it for $1m and this is my 4th to last offer. 😤
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Oh look, it’s fake Margot Robbie again
You leave our Margot alone!
Pretty sure that's the real Margot Robbie, check their post history! It's really cool that Margs is part of the community!!
oh yeah, check the post history, some how Margot Robbie is an expert in programming IDEs: https://lemm.ee/comment/5424323
Pretty sure this is some Linux nerd running an elaborate joke. Nothing in Margot Robbie’s bio, or interviews suggest a background or interest in programming.
Knowing the difference between VS and VSCode hardly makes me an expert on IDEs. Even if the subject came up (and it never does), why would I ever brag about having basic knowledge of random subjects on national TV?
Also, if I remember correctly, wasn't there this recent summer blockbuster where the female protagonist defying stereotype and saying something unexpectedly knowledgeable or insightful was a recurring (and somewhat overused) joke?
But some inexplicable reason, I just can't recall the name of that movie, only in theater July 21st.
Have you ever mentioned Lemmy in any official communication?
Because I would love to see any tangible proof it's the real MR.
I'll wait post strike, no hurry here.
Jokes aren't as funny if you explain them.
When the right time comes, you'll know.
Well you can see she has a lot of newfound spare time with the strikes, it's possible she just picked it up. It's also possible that she keeps that part of her life private.
Throughout the profile there's tons of proof it's her, she makes references to the strikes and her movies constantly! There's even a picture of herself as the profile pic!!
Just because Margot is an actress doesn't mean she doesn't program, be a little bit open minded. I think it's pretty neat that she's an expert in programming IDE's now, maybe Lemmy is what sparkled her interest to learn!
Edit: Your name is phoneymouse! I looked up the definition of phoney. According to Marian Webster it means "not genuine or real.". I think you're projecting!
You caught me, I’m not a real mouse. At least I’m upfront about it.
She'd hardly be the first woman in hollywood who's movies were only a facet of their awesomeness.
Bro, learn to take a joke.
Hello Margot Robbie!
Hi!
No. Hollywood actors don't need more money.
That's true for some of them, but not all actors are A-listers
I mean, even D-list actors don't need more money.
a) the Ulmer scale (A–D) hasn't been used in nearly 15 years, and even then it was out of date
b) panel show and reality TV appearances (The 'D' section of the Ulmer) aren't really the major concern here
Tell me the amount of money you think I got paid for a night shoot for a single ep appearance (not co-star) on BET?
Then tell me how much you think I've earned in residuals from it since?
Say more about this? I've seen a few good pieces about acting compensation over the years, but nowhere near as many as I'd have liked.
How much did you get paid, assuming it's not hypothetical? What do panel and reality shows pay? I assume residuals are $0, but I know nothing. What's the real story here?
"Guest Star", unnamed character, end roll credits only, 1 ep, about 5 or 6 lines. Just over a grand before fees, about USD$800 after, not factoring year end taxes. No residuals as I wasn't a principal and it wasn't full SAG.
You got paid $800 for one-night's work and 5 or 6 lines?
And still complaining? Lol. Get a grip.
1 nights work on set (i think i got there at 6pm and ended up being wrapped about 8am), but you only work once every couple of months AND you're not counting auditions, wardrobe/fitting call, driving, So it was actually $800 for about 30 hours work (again before tax). Are you telling me that working for $25/hour gross for an overnight shift once, a few times a year is a big privilege?
Both me and my wife are actors. I do more stage, she does more commercials. We both have day jobs - mine is corporate and I either kill myself working 100 hour weeks or use my PTO when I get cast, hers is education and so just has to turn down gigs if they clash with her work.
Not to mention
I also sit on the board of three theatre companies (unpaid) and judge a few festivals (paid in free tickets to the shows I'm judging and sometimes a dinner).
If you're making less than $25/hour and working less than a few times a year, so that you can call me privileged I'd be incredibly surprised.
I don't get it. You got paid $25/hour for your work and you're still complaining, why? Because it's a gig?
Why should your gigs pay more when you can do something else useful for society while you're not getting gigs?
I'm sorry if you think your list matters at all. All it does is show me the disconnect people like you have with those who work significantly harder than you for significantly less. I think they should get paid more before you do.
Because it's not very good pay in return for a) what you have to give for it and b) more importantly — what studios get for it.
I disagree with your point A.
On point B, studios should get less. It's not that actors should make more.
This means cheaper products for audiences and more money they can spend on other things (not extra profits for studios.)
Heck, some of that money could even go towards those who work harder than you for less!
How much did you get paid for 1 night of being in front of a camera?
Also, I don't really care about the specific ulmer scale. It's a good tool to discuss the popularity of actors, you can replace D-list with E, F, G, etc etc. until the point makes sense to you.
I mean you were the one who used it, so if you don't care about how popular an actor is, why do you think they should get paid less?
Lets even the field: What work do you do, and why should you get a pay cut starting tomorrow?
"Final offer"
Sure...
They already did, it's called "reality" television and it's why we have the show COPS. However bored people have more entertainment options this time around, and more direct sources of information about the strike.
So does this mean actors will leave Hollywood en masse, buy their own cameras and equipment, use open source CGI or just rip off the bigwigs' programs, and we can go back to making movies for art and not for capitalist commodities and mindless propaganda?
Hahaha... haha... no
Were the WGA happy with their deal? I also would like to see this end as the theaters are running out of material, next will be a Ben Shapiro rom-com.
Shame, NYT. Learn to English.
No u
That's accepted spelling.
Get content from other countries or get non union actors to work on your projects
Yeah! I'm looking forward to seeing Bandernick Comberbush and Elozibeth Ilson in the next Dr. Strange movie. It's not like anything in the previous movies endeared me to those characters.
What are actors going to do? Just star in avant-garde productions because they can't work with any popular IPs?
That would mean more effort for less money.
Why do you think this is about working with popular IPs? This is about day players working two jobs to survive and not even making enough money to qualify for SAG-AFTRA health insurance because pay is so shit, coupled with the fact that the studios want to steal their likeness and use it in perpetuity using CG.
How is this even a question? I was very clear. But to be clearer for those of you in the back, what are the actors going to act in if they can't act in the movies which the studios own the rights to?
Okay, bud. I don't think you know what the word 'survive' means. It's not like these people are 'surviving' off of peanut-butter and jelly sandwiches. Try to learn the difference between 'needs' and 'wants' before you make this about 'survival.'
Steal their what? You mean copy?
Yes, they literally are. Famous movie stars are paid millions. Day players are paid shit. Maybe work in the industry before you talk about things you know nothing about.
What? So you're telling me they're actually eating bologna and cheese sandwiches on a regular basis because they can't afford anything else?
They must not also be subscribing to any streaming services, right? Probably doing a lot of shopping at Walmart? They must not travel much, either.
Or are they trying to live as luxurious a life as possible (like everyone else) while doing as little work as possible? (like everyone else)
Like I said, learn the difference between 'needs' and 'wants' before you try to make this about survival.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
No.
Minimum requirement for SAG-AFTRA health insurance is $26,000 a year. Thousands do not make enough to qualify and do not have health insurance.
If you think making less than $26,000 a year and not having health insurance is living a luxurious life, you must be posting from your tent under a bridge right now.
You forget. They're not just making less than $26K, they're also living in LA.
Some of them in their cars.
Not every actor is George Clooney you twat. Most of them are working in cafes and coffee shops on the side
Nice hyperbole.
SAG-AFTRA has 170,000 voting members. Only a small fraction makes more than a million.
Good thing nobody needs more than $50k/year to live a respectable life in the US.
Los Angeles has one of the highest costs of living in the world
Just passing a bunch of money around at the top.
Nice retort. It's okay to be wrong friend, we're all here to learn and grow.
Yeah, people need to present logical arguments though.