A Black woman in Ohio was charged after miscarrying in her bathroom. Experts warn of the dangerous precedent.
Brittany Watts, 33, was charged after police searched her toilet following her miscarriage in September.
A Black woman in Ohio has been charged with a felony for abuse of a corpse after she miscarried into her toilet, according to a criminal complaint, and reproductive rights experts are warning that it could set a dangerous precedent if she is convicted.
The attorney for Brittany Watts and a campaign organized on her behalf called the charges against her unjust, saying they feared the case could open the door to similar prosecutions and lawsuits over miscarriages nationwide.
Just hours after Watts, 33, was admitted to a hospital for a life-threatening hemorrhage after she miscarried in her bathroom Sep. 22, police removed her toilet from her home and searched it for fetal remains, according to a GoFundMe set up to fund her legal expenses and home repairs.
"Ms. Watts suffered a tragic and dangerous miscarriage that jeopardized her own life. Rather than focusing on healing physically and emotionally, she was arrested and charged with a felony and is fighting for her freedom and reputation," her attorney, Traci Timko, said in a statement.
Everything about this is insane and exactly what sensible people thought would happen.
That's what it took to get to the fetus and remove it. And they're blaming her for not doing it. There she was with a partially retained placenta, in danger of bleeding out, and she had the nerve to leave her toilet intact in order to obtain timely life saving health care.
And don't forget, she'd been to the hospital multiple times and left because she wasn't receiving care...all hospital caregivers and 'legal teams' were too busy trying to figure out if they could legally remove a dead fetus; they wouldn't do what needed to be done. Just left her sitting there while they argued intent of the law versus letter of the law.
"She put the fetus into the toilet." No, she didn't. The fetus was expelled into the toilet, along with bodily waste. She tried to get everything out, but she couldn't.
"She then went about her day." No, she didn't. She went to the hospital. She was bleeding (probably heavily) due to part of the placenta being left attached.
That's just two of the twisted statements the prosecutor has made in order to make this woman look like a heartless SOB.
It's gone too far, and short of removing Republicans from office and justices from the court, I don't know what we can do. They are prosecuting this woman to punish her for miscarrying in an inconvenient place.
It's worth mentioning that just 11 days earlier, had her miscarriage happened at the hospital, it would have been disposed of as medical waste...incinerated. 11 freaking days, and the state is criminalizing her.
This is one of the many reasons that I hate people: "10 days and you're fine, 12 days and you're a murderer". People that follow the law to the number are a scourge on humanity.
If there is a God.....
Firstly he's a piece of shit for creating this universe the way it is
Secondly he's a piece of shit of allowing all this to happen
Thirdly, he, in all his emptiness and nothingness, deserves all the aholes that firmly believe that they should live in eternity with him.
He has a plan though! Just remember that! /s
I like to think that neo-plato stuff is very neat. “God” is essentially good cause he creates and expands, but he doesn’t have a conscientious nor a great design, so in a way God doesn’t really exist as an entity but its existence itself. Evil in this isn’t a force on its own, it’s merely the failing of a non perfect conscious being (humanity)
Which is neat and makes ton of sense imo
Source on that? Last I read, and funny how all the articles are regurgitating the same exact text a few days later, she checked herself out against medical advice. Twice.
Even the articles we can easily see today repeat that she was offered induced labor and follow up care, an abortion, and she walked away. Twice.
This isn't a case of abortion law gone mad. It's a case of a woman suffering hell and making poor choices.
tl;dr: The Texas case we've all heard about is madness. This one is too, but not over abortion laws. This one is prosecutorial overreach.
Her lawyer, Traci Timko, said Watts sat for eight hours at Mercy Health-St. Joseph's awaiting care on the eve of her pregnancy reaching 22 weeks, before leaving without being treated.
Timko said hospital officials were deliberating over the legalities.
https://magicvalley.com/news/nation-world/ohio-woman-charged-with-crime-after-having-miscarriage/article_a56ffd05-4e0f-5cb1-b945-bc1d06aa536f.html
I've got my grandbabies here so I don't have the time to do a big search, but this article quotes her lawyer's statement that at least one visit in which she left AMA, she waited EIGHT hours for help, which she did not receive. (See first quote) I've read another article which I can try to find after the holidays which explained that in her two visits prior to the miscarriage, she was never admitted. She went to the hospital, explained what was going on, received one examination but was NOT admitted. She left after failing to be admitted, which was considered AMA. I'm sure they'd have liked her to sit there another day or two while they continued to fail to admit her, while deliberating over legalities. (See second sentence in the quote)
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Thank you! Unfortunately the articles I've been reading are all the same two, literally, text and all. Searched again last night.
Why the hell would they take the "abortion law bad" angle and not simply quote what you have?! That makes the issue far clearer.
And no, you don't have to bury me in sources, but thanks for offering more. I get it now, and thanks again.
That is a flat-out untruth. I posted this elsewhere in this thread, but just to be sure you see it:
Every single account I have read says she was in and out of the hospital miscarrying before she finally did at home, and then went back to the hospital afterward, where she was inpatient for days. She left the hospital because she wasn't getting any help; they were all stuck on the new law while her body was unable to expel the fetus quickly. At NO point did they help her to expel it, or offer to do so. That's why she kept going home.
December 15
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/12/15/ohio-woman-miscarriage-abuse-of-corpse-grand-jury/
Archive link: https://archive.is/2rSiE
December 16
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-miscarriage-prosecution-brittany-watts-b8090abfb5994b8a23457b80cf3f27ce
December 19
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/19/us/brittany-watts-miscarriage-criminal-charge/index.html
From WaPo, linked above:
Again, you don't need to make anything up. If you find yourself having to lie, maybe your point is not as worthy as you think it is.
Thank you! I had not seen this anywhere else and it explains much.
I'm not lying, bullshitting or trying to condone abortion law. I simply hadn't seen anything tying this case to law.
God forbid I said that out loud and asked honest questions. I know how to play for upvotes, 11-years on reddit taught me to play users like a fiddle. Thought around here we might discuss things, but of course not, toe the party line or get the fuck out.
Again, thanks for the more in depth material. Your attitude needs fucking work though.
Well, that's another big fat lie, because you've been posting the same horseshit on multiple Brittany Watts articles, refusing to read the articles themselves (which I linked in my last comment and you now claim you've never seen) and carrying on despite others telling you each time you're just flatly wrong:
https://lemmy.world/comment/6144450
https://lemmy.world/comment/6144680
https://lemmy.world/comment/6144553
https://lemmy.world/comment/6144686
That's not counting the multiple comments you made in this thread alone.
https://lemmy.world/comment/6213339
https://lemmy.world/comment/6214203
No, it really doesn't. How many separate threads do others need to wade through your bullshit before it's appropriate to call you out on it?
The links I provided above were from separate Lemmy threads that you participated in, all saying the same thing, repeatedly. I just linked them above from your post history.
That's multiple occasions you had all along to
read the fucking article instead of sealioning for unnecessary additional sources, and
get your fucking facts right, and
stop fucking with commenters who genuinely care about the criminalization of women's healthcare by repeatedly trying to turn related discussions into victim blamefests.
In each instance, commenters corrected you, but you kept spouting your bullshit unhindered.
So tell me, Shalafi, how much of your bullshit do others need to wade through silently before calling you out on your lazy, dishonest, willfully WRONG statements?
I love my attitude, it's the right one to have as human being, and I'll keep enjoying it with pride, thanks.
Merry Christmas.
My gar, that idiot had a family.
Facts. The people loudly freaking out at the Supreme Court were right all along. Innocent women will be punished during a traumatic experience that is more than punishment enough. The amount of shame for this and other consequences of Conservative legislation will need to be applied for generations. They have proven to be a lice or bedbug infestation and proper treatment is necessary.
It was already happening in places with severe abortion restrictions like El Salvador:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61798330
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/salvadoran-women-jailed-decades-miscarriages-stillbirths-warn-us-abort-rcna33035
https://theconversation.com/el-salvadors-abortion-ban-jails-women-for-miscarriages-and-stillbirths-now-one-womans-family-seeks-international-justice-156484
Hmm... the US is a member of the Inter-American Court of Human Rights and signed but never ratified the treaty. Great. The court did actually determine that El Salvador needed to change their policies, which were basically the same as the ones the Christian Fascists have come up with in Texas, Ohio, etc.
https://reproductiverights.org/case/manuela-v-el-salvador-inter-american-court-of-human-rights/
I heard she did something a few years back that really upset Baby Jesus and made him cry! I'm certain God knows what he's doing!!
That “mysterious ways” argument has rationalized an incalculable amount of unnecessary pain.
These are the images the Democrats need to sear into the minds of all voters. This is pure 1984 dystopian bullshit.
Wait until they hear about what happens to nazis
Man whenever I bring up these kind of things to my parents, it’s always like, “well there’ll surely be an exception for it”. The reality is there’s never an exception for it. The exception has to be fought for at the expense of the victim
Just look at the "life of the mother exceptions." There was a recent case where the fetus was all but dead and the woman's life was in danger. She actually wanted the child, but carrying it to term and delivering it could have killed her.
Seems like an ideal life of the mother situation, right? Except the doctors said she wasn't close enough to death. So she sued in court to get the law overturned. She won the right to have an abortion, but then the AG threatened the hospitals/doctors. Then the Texas Supreme Court ruled that she was at risk of dying, but she wasn't CLOSE ENOUGH to death to qualify. So basically she had to be actively dying to get an abortion and even then it might not be good enough.
It's ridiculous.
All the exceptions are fake. How long does a rape conviction take to secure, assuming the perp is actually found guilty at all? Longer than a few weeks, that’s for sure!
Considering most rape kits don't even get processed, yeah it's a hell of a lot longer than a few weeks
And that's assuming that the rape is reported. Many rapes go unreported for various reasons. And requirements that the woman has to report the rape before she might be allowed to have an abortion are meant to force women into public shaming/threatening situations. ("How dare she accuse POPULAR COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER of raping her! Look at what she was wearing. She was asking for it! Why was she drinking at all? The second a woman takes a drink of alcohol, she consents to have sex.")
"This is what's going to happen if you repeal Roe"
"nuh uh that's insane you fucking extremist LiBrUlZ that'd never happen stop spreading fear"
this is like the third case of this this month
what a shit hole country.
Eh more shithole state in this example but.. yeah
shithole country to allow it
america is the earth's toilet, it's all shit down there
More stories like this will continue to come out. Esp if Trump is reelected.
Need a real life Bruce Wayne. Someone to spend their fortune fighting for women like this. Hire the 5 best defense attorneys in the country and start embarrassing the shit out of these hateful fucks.
We need to reinvent the angry mob for rescuing people from the police instead of lynching them
Welcome to Honduras!
I don’t know what to say to this……. I’m lost for words. Except the ones I’ve written here obviously…
Not an American. Please explain why her skin colour is relevant in the headline. I have noticed this a lot in American news, and it seems intentionally divisive to me.
In America, people of color are poorly treated by police, the justice system, and the healthcare system. It is important to point out examples of this when we see it, because our system usually starts treating marginalized groups unfairly as a test to see how badly they can treat everyone.
It is very common for police to look for chargabe offenses they pin on a Black person, but not so much for white people. Once there are charges, prosecutors typically focus on conviction at all costs, especially for Black defendants.
Here we have the trifecta: a Black woman has a miscarriage and call for help, and the police show up and immediately look for reasons to arrest her. While she's recovering from a miscarriage, she's hit with charges of abusing a corpse because she had the audacity to miscarry in a toilet. Now she's facing felony charges related to a miscarriage in a state that has passed such draconian anti-abortion laws that even miscarrying could lead to murder charges.
So we absolutely have to say exactly what is happening, because if we don't, this woman and countless others will end up locked in cages with their rights stripped away from them for daring to exist in a way that didn't satisfy the white supremacist / christofacist factions in this country.
Black women face unique discrimination at the hands of the justice system. Not just in America, either. Canada and the UK (among many other nations) both have institutions of systemic injustice towards women of color.
"Not every black man is abused in the US. Some are abused outside the US" Les Luthiers.
That's a lie
Evil media race baiting morons who eat it up. Just look at how savagely they defend their own bigotry in this thread as they demand more racial hatred
Y'all, she refused medical treatment, twice. Abortion law was never on the table. This story omits those facts, others do not. I've read three stories about this case, and this one happily skips over a few pertinent details. And I'm always happy to be proven wrong, have a chance to learn.
This was a women under extreme stress who made a few bad choices. And no, there should have been no charges given the circumstances. But at no point was she refused an abortion, and at no point were doctors considering the law.
This sad tale was nothing like what happened to the woman in Texas.
There was a well publicized case where a raped 10 year old in Ohio had to leave the state for an abortion. Of course she would not seek an abortion, it was well documented they were not available in Ohio.
How do you know she refused treatment? It sounds like she wanted treatment and wasn't given it.
You keep repeating this on multiple related posts, without sources, when every single account I have read says she was in and out of the hospital miscarrying before she finally did at home, and then went back to the hospital afterward, where she was inpatient for days. She left the hospital because she wasn't getting any help; they were all stuck on the new law while her body was unable to expel the fetus quickly. They did NOT offer her any abortion or assistance with moving the miscarriage along at all, which is why she kept going home AMA.
December 15
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/12/15/ohio-woman-miscarriage-abuse-of-corpse-grand-jury/
Archive link: https://archive.is/2rSiE
December 16
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-miscarriage-prosecution-brittany-watts-b8090abfb5994b8a23457b80cf3f27ce
December 19
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/19/us/brittany-watts-miscarriage-criminal-charge/index.html
From WaPo, linked above:
Again, you don't need to make anything up. If you find yourself having to lie, maybe your point is not as worthy as you think it is.
Maybe if health care wasn't hidden behind a pay wall and maybe if health care in America didn't have a history of abusing minority women. And any treatment she received wouldnt have saved the fetus. Also, she was afraid any treatment would have resulted in her being imprisoned anyways. Abortion bans make an already complicated situation like pregnancy even more complicated for no reason. Maybe you should read up on this situation.
You are so willfully ignorant it hurts me.