It feels a lot nicer here on lemmy / kbin

IceSea@lemmy.world to Reddit Migration@kbin.social – 181 points –

I realized I interacted / posted / commented less and less on reddit these last couple of years. Couldn't even tell you why exactly. Now I've been here for a week and, I don't know, I just like interacting again... Hope it stays like this for a while :)

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Reddit is too popular and has too much group think, too many of the same types of comments that will get a lot karma, and too many comments that will just be ignored.

NEW is a garbage dump or a pile of duplicates. So why comment on a new post? It will never go anywhere. HOT is already full of comments, so your comment will just be lost.

If you want like 10,000 instant karma, bet on a New post and say snarky shit. If it gets picked to be one of the magic posts of the day, you win.

Just don't say anything meaningful, or you'll fall below the next person commenting for the lulz.

That's what a healthy community looks like. Right?

There's a shit ton of upvote bots and subs had free gold to give out all the time.

Admins like it because it looks good to advertisers and idiots think buying gold is normalized

Mods like it because it boosts sub visibility and got more subscribers

And some users chase karma so theyre onboard too.

There wasn't much authentic about reddit

do not fool yourself. this place is just as strong with the group think mentality. if you want proof, look at all the defederation discourse.

If you want to hang out with the Nazis, just say so and go. No one is stopping you.

Like literally these people are all like "FrEe SpEeCh" like dude if you wanna be a Nazi go be a Nazi I'm not gonna stop you but I'm definitely not gonna support you in it. You will get a hearty kick to the nuts if you approach me with it but like you do you

To be fair some instances (like Beehaw) defederate for not being big enough to maintain a huge influx of users. It isn't always about Nazis although for sure Nazis suck I agree with that!

Sure, but anyone complaining about defederation in the context of "group think" probably isn't thinking about how much it sucks that small spaces can't moderate well enough.

Most people consider hate speech unacceptable. Independently coming to that conclusion is not ā€œgroup thinkā€.

Iā€™m constantly seeing posts about how much nicer kbin is, but Iā€™ve also seen a ā€œKYSā€ comment and personal insults towards people. I also recognize itā€™s possible that there are fewer nasty comments, that the ones I see are just outliers but Iā€™m more likely to notice them here instead of just downvoting and forgetting because the posts about how nice kbin is are making the counterexamples stand out that much more.

Communities are going to have to start actively moderating and removing blatant abuse like that. I haven't seen very much, but ultimately, we cannot rely solely on votes or people simply being nice forever. It's always a touchy question, but every community ultimately has some standards of acceptable behavior, and it'll take time for us to figure out what ours is.

thats crazy. im very active on here as my profile can tell and other than a run in with an alt right person on one thread, i havent seen anything bad. of course, as it gets more popular, this will increase, but for now its pretty nice

I would typically only engage with new posts, but in two places. One was some smaller subs where there was going to be more opportunity for discussion between everyone, and two in the larger subs would be breaking issues where new was by default and it was more group observation of the events going on in real time.

The karma system also gamifies trying to find a variation on the same thing as always. You're not trying to be clever or unique, or bring new perspectives to the conversation, you're trying to be the first person to say the thing you think everyone else is going to think of

The exchanges I have had here are like rare good ones I have had on reddit. If it gets to popular that will likely change but hey lets enjoy it while we can.

I appreciate your comment and hope to see you around!

This matches my experience too. Iā€™ve only had one or two unpleasant exchanges from a hateful person here, and it was pretty forgettable. On Reddit it seems like almost every time.

It was insane how carefully I had to tread on reddit. On here, I can just be myself without worrying about getting spammed by assholes. Every experience on here has been really nice!

Reddit has been a toxic cesspool for a long time. I just realised how desensitized i have become to this sort of thing after mainly being active here. I really hope we can keep it that way.

Oh yeah. Iā€™m loving it. I feel like my comments and posts get a lot more attention and the engagement is a lot better than Reddit. It definitely feels like a community is brewing but Iā€™m loving the increased interaction.

I'm definitely making more of an effort now, but that's because of how conscious I am about the site needing user interaction.

yeah, that's definitely a part. And it kind of feels good to try to help build something... though I'm far from the first bunch of people who started this

I agree! Oftentimes on Reddit I thought "I don't really have anything to add, and this post will be flooded with comments anyway, so mine will probably drown, so why bother?"

Here I think there's more of breathing room for everyone, which is nice

I'm trying to remember to do the same, I'm so used to saying nothing for fear of being the one post people pick to be the one they downvote to hell for no reason. It's like I want to interact now but as @magnetosphere put it I have PRSD - Post Reddit Stress Disorder

I thought it would be a really hard shift since I used reddit so much. The more I go between them, the more I realize reddit is just another forum website - it's not even a really good one, either!

This change has been super helpful for me to learn not to get so attached to stuff. The people here are the same as the people there and the stuff I post can go anywhere I want it to, there's nothing extra special about reddit. It's super freeing!

100% agree... and not having to think about karma, which I didn't really, but then still kind of did I think, feels really awesome

You should try Beehaw, or any other instance thatā€™s disabled downvotes. THATā€™S awesome. If someone disagrees with your point, they actually begin a conversation, instead of just slapping a down arrow.

Im on lemmy.blahaj.zone and Iā€™ve enjoyed the same thing. So, too, does mastodon feel this way - by default, you canā€™t see how many likes, boosts, or replies something has. So you end up with people actually talking to each other, rather than clicking a button that makes someone else look bad. In general on the fediverse thereā€™s a prioritization of positivity over negativity, and healthy engagement over petty fights. Itā€™s nice. Makes things easier on the moderators, too, Iā€™m sure.

Can you clarify on karma not mattering here? Iā€™ve heard that before, but I also see a total upvote count on my profile page. Does karma not impact the sorting of posts or what?

Well, for a start, I'm on kbin.social so when I click your profile you have 0 everything. So whatever we have on our instance probably doesn't come with us into the fediverse.

And here at kbin our upvotes are not karma. I can see them on my comments but they don't accumulate anywhere. So it means nothing. (There is some kind of system here where downvotes matter locally and not upvotes but apparently its broken and Ernest will probably fix it one day).

I kinda dislike it, honestly. I'm so used to constant withering hostility that the lack of slurs and snide insinuations about my parentage is genuinely kind of uncomfortable.

Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries.

I hope that helped!

Its been so long since Iā€™ve interacted that I donā€™t remember how. Hey guys.

I really like the speed and overall clean user interface here. I am still learning, but so far I like what I see. Hopefully, we can all grow together into one thriving community!

i believe we can do it and do it great ā¤ļøŽ

When I first arrived here, I felt there wasn't enough of a community to sustain my interest. But in just the past week or so, I think it's reached some sort of critical mass where this place now has a pull that keeps me coming back.

I thought I'd miss reddit more, but while I haven't cancelled anything over there, I just don't get on much anymore. I'd rather spend my energy building community here, and I don't care if there are fewer people to interact with. Even reading a single thoughtful comment is enough to make my day, and that's starting to happen regularly.

well said. it also just makes me feel better in general contributing to kbin, because i am contributing to its growth and real conversations, and better yet, helping create a home here for other reddit migrants

Yeah, mostly just lurked on Reddit, but here I feel a lot more comfortable engaging with the stuff that gets posted. Since the communities are so much smaller it feels like leaving a comment actually means something instead of just getting drowned out in the noise.

This is my first comment on lemmy, and I'm making it because you're absolutely right. It's almost habbit at this point to hold back and lurk after years of being used to a huge crowd. Defaulting to reading the disscusion but not adding anything to it. But this reminds me a lot of the way smaller forums and neiche communities feel, where there's still room to add something to the thread without needing to yell it. Glad to be here and starting to appreciate the differences already

The same. I haven't gotten involved in anything but smaller subreddits in years.

I really like how willing people are to read and write essays. I like to lay out my argument, cover likely arguments against it, reread it, maybe edit it down or come back to it later.

It makes me understand my own position better, and sometimes I realize I'm wrong (or they no good would come from convincing someone I'm right) and I delete it

On Reddit, people would just skip over it, hell a few people called me out on my response being too long and let me know they didn't read it... One guy said something like "who even are you, I don't know you and my gf doesn't talk to me that much"...it was deeply confusing

I like how different app are growing at same time than the communities, it's cool to be part of the process.

Honestly just so happy to have a place thatā€™s not diluted by the same tired old jokes being told over and over again, excited to see where this community goes

holy shit, that realization just hit me like a brick wall. on reddit it was always low-hanging dead horse meme answers floating to the top, but here people just write down their genuine thoughts without trying to pander to anyone. it's very refreshing

I personally love how inclusive everyone (at least 99%) here is and I am personally fighting very much to keep it that way. Although I am white and only an ally and thus not part of LGBT myself, even I feel much safer here although I wouldn't have much to fear on other websites myself.

I agree. I am a very shy person, so, it is not easy for me to comment, even if it is anonymous. I always think that nobody is waiting to hear from me in the enormous stream of other comments that are there as well. At the same time, if by some accident someone actually reads your comment, I feel that if you have a different way of wording or a different opinion, your head will get chopped off.

Because there are far less comments here, I feel like I can actually contribute something to the discussion. And people seem to be just nicer and more willing to understand each other instead of just repeating the same stuff over and over again. I like it better here!

Agreed. This is way more fun. More people respond and it feels nice to be a pioneer again. Itā€™s fun to watch people figure shit out and design solutions to new problems.

Same here mate! Never was big on commenting or posting on Reddit but here I'm so much more active.

Remember that South Park episode where that hardware store became a super Walmart or something and then the new little local store became super popular and really big and until they burnt it down so maybe it's the same case here once platform just becomes too large it needs to be split off back into some of its core components. In a way similar to the way subreddits work where a small community starts springs up with folks that have similar interests.

I've been using reddit a lot since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine started for support (I'm Ukrainian). I must say, I sure miss r/NCD and r/Ukraine, but am not planning on going back on reddit. I hope similar communities will eventually develop here.

As someone who almost exclusively lurked on Reddit Iā€™m trying to make more of an effort to interact and it definitely feels a lot less daunting. I just need to actually make a post of my own and Iā€™ll be moving in the right direction

You have an awesome profile pic, by the way!

Reddit for me has become just stupid trolly comments and karma farming. I called it social experimentation

It seemed like any serious discussion or not subreddit approved opinions were pointless to express. I don't like to say that something is dumb but it did seem limited and boring.

Fediverse is new and exciting

I've been alternating between Kbin/Lemmy and Squabble after generally being a lurker on Reddit, and the communities for both seem a lot friendlier and willing to engage in actual discussion. So much so that I've actually started posting/commenting.
It also helps that the top comments aren't all the same overused bad joke.

Memmy is now replaced Apollo on my Home Screen šŸ˜Š

Try mlem TestFlight if youā€™re on iOS. In compact mode itā€™s almost like Apollo