For reference, that's 31.5% of all House Republicans. Another way to see it is that 68.5% of House Republicans, which are generally the most extreme breed of Republican, are supportive of US military aid to Ukraine. I'm pleasantly surprised to find support for Ukraine remaining that high.
And in early 2015, what percentage of Republicans openly supported Trump? How many of them voted to impeach him? How many of them voted to impeach the second time?
Make no mistake - this is extremely alarming and you should wake up. I legitimately can't believe I even have to type this comment out. We are so fucked.
There should be zero US dollars spent on Ukraine and Israel as long as homelessness and healthcare are still a problem in the US. The fact that I even have to remind people of this problem is alarming.
I got to hand it to the Russians. Their disinformation campaigns against the US finally worked.
The GOP has had a long history of supporting their figureheads at all cost, so all it took was getting in bed with one of them. Once Trump was associated with Russia, the whole party and media apparatus became pro Russia.
They didn't just pay trump, they paid a lot of them...
It doesn't cost much in campaign donations to buy a politician, especially a House republican.
Could be as cheap as 5-10k for both primary leaders.
If they take it and win, Russia now has blackmail on them.
That's practically nothing to another country.
Don’t forget when both Democratic and Republican parties servers were hacked back in 2015. Things were leaked from the Democrats, but nothing came out on the Republicans. Nice to have that info hanging over their heads…
They’ve been working for years, arguable since the run up to the 2016 elections when they started becoming active in Trump and Sanders communities online
Serious question...Why are these Republicans so pro-Russia? I don't get it.
Because they envy Putin's oligarchy and the nationalism of the Russian population which makes them easy to control.
Make no mistake - these people want Gilead more than anything. I mean they literally keep saying it over and over again. They are domestic terrorists and enemies of the west. And everyone is going to pretend like this is a "difference of opinion" until it is too late.
Own the libs
What about Russia would they dislike?
Well they're always yelling about how liberals are socialist or communist, and Russia was previously socialist and communist. Also they say they don't like government to control things, and the Russian government controls everything. They hate on NPR and call it state sponsored, while all Russian media is state sponsored. So yeah, you would think they wouldn't like Russia, but only if you thought they actually believe the shit they say.
and Russia was previously socialist and communist
The current Russian regime uses heavy Anti-Soviet messaging, and demonizes socialism as much as American conservative politics. The USSR wasn't great for a lot of Russians.
Also they say they don't like government to control things
I think emphasis here needs to be on "they say", yet most non-economic policy American conservatives tout (aka the culture wars) is about injecting more government intervention in the day to day lives of Americans. Ex: Christian Prayer in schools, banning books from libraries, anti-drag bills, banning racial-inequality education, anti-gay legislation, the list goes on and on. American conservatives would love as much control over their population as Russia exerts on theirs.
They hate on NPR and call it state sponsored
Which fits their narrative, when in reality NPR only receives around 5% of government funding. They don't like NPR because they aren't easily able to be bought due to being largely crowd funded and won't immediately parrot their talking points. They would love a state funded media company that parroted their talking points which Fox News comfortably does.
If American conservatives actually believed the their talking points then yes they would be vehemently anti-Russian, but they don't. They're only pro-power which the Russian government has figured out within their borders.
Because they think it's a stupid proxy war that doesn't serve the US (because it strengthens BRICS which hurts the Petro Dollar) and that US support for Ukraine is a ploy to ensure that supposed US funded biolabs (that are pretty much confirmed to exist, afaik) aren't uncovered, because Joe and Hunter Biden are likely to be involved in them via the company Metabiota.
I'm as irritated as everyone else because it's usually not the Republicans to be the sane ones but it seems the Democrats are even more corrupt nowadays. The FBI is actively trying to suppress evidence of bribery of a sitting President and it's even denying answering Congress (or Senate? Not 100% sure which one, I'm not an American) inquiries.
The world has gone mad.
Wow. Everything you just said was wrong. This war has empowered NATO and the US more than every action taken by the US in the last 20 years combined. The biolabs theory is a joke as is the idea that a republican FBI director appointed by Trump would protect Biden. I always hear about how non Americans have a better perspective on US news, but deluded misinfo like this makes me believe that idea is bullshit.
There's been lots of mainstream reporting on the corruption allegations and the Senate/Congress hearing where the FBI chief kept on repeating the same evasive non-answers I mentioned were livestreamed. Can provide some sources once I'm back at home, though, if requested.
I'm usually not in a debating mood when people just start calling me a liar though. I'm not even in favor of republicans/centrists and I consider myself an anarchist more than anything else so I'm not really into partisanship here. 🤷♂️
I'm perfectly fine with people having different opinions and arriving at different conclusions but just calling me a liar when I can back up my claims is no good style.
Key concept: ignore allegations and only follow convictions. Then you’ll see most accusations are bullshit/projection from those committing the crimes. Hint: nearly all true convictions/guilty pleas are from the R side.
This is your brain on lead dust.
Remember when a certain senator stood before the house with two blank pieces of paper and said most democrats supported Russia?
Remember when a certain republican said that Russia was the biggest geopolitical threat facing America and all the Democrats laughed at him?
I actually don't remember that, who was it?
Magic underwear man
Have you seen that video where Xi Jinping and Putin shake hands and basically announce that they intend to upend the existing global order, meaning US "rules based" hegemony?
Russia itself isn't a threat but so far it's brought together China, Iran and parts of Africa that are done with US colonization and living under the US' boot.
China has its own imperial ambitions in Africa. There's no good super power, but at the end of the day, Russia was the one that invaded Ukraine. No amount of RT propaganda will change that.
Too many of them are beholden to Russia and its interests and have been for some time. Not only that, but also just doing the opposite of whatever Democrats support which isn’t constructive at all.
Republican policies boil down to
Opposing "the commies";
Guns.
Wait. How did they end up in bed with Russia?
You forgot “anti-woke”
But I said opposing th---
AH, you're right.
Money.
Russia isn't communist.
The "opposing the commies" bit used to be an anti-authoritarian stance. But now republicans have openly embraced autocracy as political language. It makes perfect sense from that angle.
Sure it is constructive. The billionaires' main goal is to DDos the system and limit time and resources devoted to legitimate legislation. The goal is to keep the US extremely under legislated so their corrupt loopholes stay open. The nonsense is irrelevant. The time it takes to deal with the nonsense is all that maters.
70 people admit they should be investigated for high treason
So you believe that Ukraine is a puppet state of the US?
What a shit take
The guy before me used the word treason. How do you interpret that?
As serving Russian interests, what kind of connection do they have to the Russian state if they so brazenly vote for the wishes of Putin?
It follows rather directly. For it to be high treason to be against sending more military resources to Ukraine would mean that either the representatives are members of the Ukrainian government or, as was implied here, that Ukraine is a puppet state.
It's not high treason against the USA to be against the USA sending military resources to another country. You can only commit high treason against your own country.
You're willfully dancing around the actual point OP is making. You can't be a grown adult and think this concretely without doing so in bad faith.
The point is that opposing this is directly showing support for Russia...
The point is that opposing this is directly showing support for Russia…
Which guess what: isn't high treason. If you'll notice, I havent offered my opinion here or participated elsewhere in the thread.
I was simply pointing out that using the term "high treason" here is rather silly and nonfactual.
Does taking foreign money for your vote constitute high treason in your definition? Because in the US constitution it does.
So you aren't making any argument at all, and are just saying "everyone look at my bold linguistic castle. It is very cromulent."
You should probably shut your stupid fucking mouth.
Quit acting like the average Redditor, and just be civil and disagree.
Jesus Christ, not the kind of comment I'd expect from a pacifist. You come off real mature
What a psychotic statement.
Womp womp go fuck yourself.
your name is pacifist but you support sending weapons of death and destruction into a conflict where they will be used to kill people? they're sending fucking clusterbombs dude what is it going to take to convince you people this is not a good thing?
Hey, Ukrainian here. Try to convince me that it's a bad thing. Russians shelling Ukrainian cities with cluster munitions is okay, but Ukraine fighting back is bad? Russia brought all the deaths and destruction, not Ukraine, or "the west".
Enjoy your clusterbombs
At least they have ~3% fail rate and will be used against military targets vs russian 30-40% fail rate and used in the cities
Wow. Where the hell did you get that idea?
You say that US citizens (the republican politicians) who do not support Ukraine should be trialed for treason. This implies that Ukraine is a part of the US, doesn't it?
70 house Republicans spread their cheeks for putin
I can't tell which is which anymore.
Just kiddin', I know what is happening. Republicans are losing control over their own party, this is good news for the next president election, the world is doomed if anyone like deSantis ends up becoming emperor.
Lol at u hidin your power level itt.
I never understood the democrats who want DeSantis to win the republican primary.
Trump is a con man trying to be a fascist. Not good, very bad, but also not an actual fascist.
Ron is a straight up fascist that has no problem with torturing people with his own hands.
Every time I see a picture of Matt Gaetz, I believe more and more that he truly is Butthead in the flesh. Now to decide which republican most favors Bevis.
MGT 100%
Who wants to bet they got Russian money in their pockets?
Great! Surely they'll cut funding to the US military too, right?
Biden's student loan forgiveness only would have cost $400 billion, but spending almost $2 trillion per year on ending people's lives is more important.
...the American people will see who wants to represent them, and who wants to represent Crimea Putin.
For reference, that's 31.5% of all House Republicans. Another way to see it is that 68.5% of House Republicans, which are generally the most extreme breed of Republican, are supportive of US military aid to Ukraine. I'm pleasantly surprised to find support for Ukraine remaining that high.
And in early 2015, what percentage of Republicans openly supported Trump? How many of them voted to impeach him? How many of them voted to impeach the second time?
Make no mistake - this is extremely alarming and you should wake up. I legitimately can't believe I even have to type this comment out. We are so fucked.
There should be zero US dollars spent on Ukraine and Israel as long as homelessness and healthcare are still a problem in the US. The fact that I even have to remind people of this problem is alarming.
I got to hand it to the Russians. Their disinformation campaigns against the US finally worked.
The GOP has had a long history of supporting their figureheads at all cost, so all it took was getting in bed with one of them. Once Trump was associated with Russia, the whole party and media apparatus became pro Russia.
They didn't just pay trump, they paid a lot of them...
It doesn't cost much in campaign donations to buy a politician, especially a House republican.
Could be as cheap as 5-10k for both primary leaders.
If they take it and win, Russia now has blackmail on them.
That's practically nothing to another country.
Don’t forget when both Democratic and Republican parties servers were hacked back in 2015. Things were leaked from the Democrats, but nothing came out on the Republicans. Nice to have that info hanging over their heads…
They’ve been working for years, arguable since the run up to the 2016 elections when they started becoming active in Trump and Sanders communities online
Serious question...Why are these Republicans so pro-Russia? I don't get it.
Because they envy Putin's oligarchy and the nationalism of the Russian population which makes them easy to control.
Make no mistake - these people want Gilead more than anything. I mean they literally keep saying it over and over again. They are domestic terrorists and enemies of the west. And everyone is going to pretend like this is a "difference of opinion" until it is too late.
Own the libs
What about Russia would they dislike?
Well they're always yelling about how liberals are socialist or communist, and Russia was previously socialist and communist. Also they say they don't like government to control things, and the Russian government controls everything. They hate on NPR and call it state sponsored, while all Russian media is state sponsored. So yeah, you would think they wouldn't like Russia, but only if you thought they actually believe the shit they say.
The current Russian regime uses heavy Anti-Soviet messaging, and demonizes socialism as much as American conservative politics. The USSR wasn't great for a lot of Russians.
I think emphasis here needs to be on "they say", yet most non-economic policy American conservatives tout (aka the culture wars) is about injecting more government intervention in the day to day lives of Americans. Ex: Christian Prayer in schools, banning books from libraries, anti-drag bills, banning racial-inequality education, anti-gay legislation, the list goes on and on. American conservatives would love as much control over their population as Russia exerts on theirs.
Which fits their narrative, when in reality NPR only receives around 5% of government funding. They don't like NPR because they aren't easily able to be bought due to being largely crowd funded and won't immediately parrot their talking points. They would love a state funded media company that parroted their talking points which Fox News comfortably does.
If American conservatives actually believed the their talking points then yes they would be vehemently anti-Russian, but they don't. They're only pro-power which the Russian government has figured out within their borders.
Because they think it's a stupid proxy war that doesn't serve the US (because it strengthens BRICS which hurts the Petro Dollar) and that US support for Ukraine is a ploy to ensure that supposed US funded biolabs (that are pretty much confirmed to exist, afaik) aren't uncovered, because Joe and Hunter Biden are likely to be involved in them via the company Metabiota.
I'm as irritated as everyone else because it's usually not the Republicans to be the sane ones but it seems the Democrats are even more corrupt nowadays. The FBI is actively trying to suppress evidence of bribery of a sitting President and it's even denying answering Congress (or Senate? Not 100% sure which one, I'm not an American) inquiries.
The world has gone mad.
Wow. Everything you just said was wrong. This war has empowered NATO and the US more than every action taken by the US in the last 20 years combined. The biolabs theory is a joke as is the idea that a republican FBI director appointed by Trump would protect Biden. I always hear about how non Americans have a better perspective on US news, but deluded misinfo like this makes me believe that idea is bullshit.
There's been lots of mainstream reporting on the corruption allegations and the Senate/Congress hearing where the FBI chief kept on repeating the same evasive non-answers I mentioned were livestreamed. Can provide some sources once I'm back at home, though, if requested.
I'm usually not in a debating mood when people just start calling me a liar though. I'm not even in favor of republicans/centrists and I consider myself an anarchist more than anything else so I'm not really into partisanship here. 🤷♂️
I'm perfectly fine with people having different opinions and arriving at different conclusions but just calling me a liar when I can back up my claims is no good style.
Key concept: ignore allegations and only follow convictions. Then you’ll see most accusations are bullshit/projection from those committing the crimes. Hint: nearly all true convictions/guilty pleas are from the R side.
This is your brain on lead dust.
Remember when a certain senator stood before the house with two blank pieces of paper and said most democrats supported Russia?
Remember when a certain republican said that Russia was the biggest geopolitical threat facing America and all the Democrats laughed at him?
I actually don't remember that, who was it?
Magic underwear man
Have you seen that video where Xi Jinping and Putin shake hands and basically announce that they intend to upend the existing global order, meaning US "rules based" hegemony?
Russia itself isn't a threat but so far it's brought together China, Iran and parts of Africa that are done with US colonization and living under the US' boot.
China has its own imperial ambitions in Africa. There's no good super power, but at the end of the day, Russia was the one that invaded Ukraine. No amount of RT propaganda will change that.
Too many of them are beholden to Russia and its interests and have been for some time. Not only that, but also just doing the opposite of whatever Democrats support which isn’t constructive at all.
Republican policies boil down to
Wait. How did they end up in bed with Russia?
You forgot “anti-woke”
But I said opposing th---
AH, you're right.
Money.
Russia isn't communist.
The "opposing the commies" bit used to be an anti-authoritarian stance. But now republicans have openly embraced autocracy as political language. It makes perfect sense from that angle.
Sure it is constructive. The billionaires' main goal is to DDos the system and limit time and resources devoted to legitimate legislation. The goal is to keep the US extremely under legislated so their corrupt loopholes stay open. The nonsense is irrelevant. The time it takes to deal with the nonsense is all that maters.
70 people admit they should be investigated for high treason
So you believe that Ukraine is a puppet state of the US?
What a shit take
The guy before me used the word treason. How do you interpret that?
As serving Russian interests, what kind of connection do they have to the Russian state if they so brazenly vote for the wishes of Putin?
It follows rather directly. For it to be high treason to be against sending more military resources to Ukraine would mean that either the representatives are members of the Ukrainian government or, as was implied here, that Ukraine is a puppet state.
It's not high treason against the USA to be against the USA sending military resources to another country. You can only commit high treason against your own country.
You're willfully dancing around the actual point OP is making. You can't be a grown adult and think this concretely without doing so in bad faith.
The point is that opposing this is directly showing support for Russia...
Which guess what: isn't high treason. If you'll notice, I havent offered my opinion here or participated elsewhere in the thread.
I was simply pointing out that using the term "high treason" here is rather silly and nonfactual.
Does taking foreign money for your vote constitute high treason in your definition? Because in the US constitution it does.
So you aren't making any argument at all, and are just saying "everyone look at my bold linguistic castle. It is very cromulent."
You should probably shut your stupid fucking mouth.
Quit acting like the average Redditor, and just be civil and disagree.
Jesus Christ, not the kind of comment I'd expect from a pacifist. You come off real mature
What a psychotic statement.
Womp womp go fuck yourself.
your name is pacifist but you support sending weapons of death and destruction into a conflict where they will be used to kill people? they're sending fucking clusterbombs dude what is it going to take to convince you people this is not a good thing?
Hey, Ukrainian here. Try to convince me that it's a bad thing. Russians shelling Ukrainian cities with cluster munitions is okay, but Ukraine fighting back is bad? Russia brought all the deaths and destruction, not Ukraine, or "the west".
Enjoy your clusterbombs
At least they have ~3% fail rate and will be used against military targets vs russian 30-40% fail rate and used in the cities
Wow. Where the hell did you get that idea?
You say that US citizens (the republican politicians) who do not support Ukraine should be trialed for treason. This implies that Ukraine is a part of the US, doesn't it?
70 house Republicans spread their cheeks for putin
I can't tell which is which anymore.
Just kiddin', I know what is happening. Republicans are losing control over their own party, this is good news for the next president election, the world is doomed if anyone like deSantis ends up becoming emperor.
Lol at u hidin your power level itt.
I never understood the democrats who want DeSantis to win the republican primary.
Trump is a con man trying to be a fascist. Not good, very bad, but also not an actual fascist.
Ron is a straight up fascist that has no problem with torturing people with his own hands.
Every time I see a picture of Matt Gaetz, I believe more and more that he truly is Butthead in the flesh. Now to decide which republican most favors Bevis.
MGT 100%
Who wants to bet they got Russian money in their pockets?
Great! Surely they'll cut funding to the US military too, right?
Nope. From an article about the debt ceiling bill that resumed student loan payments in June: "Some $886 billion will be spent on defense, according to the bill text."
That's an increase after a $858 billion defense bill passed in december
Biden's student loan forgiveness only would have cost $400 billion, but spending almost $2 trillion per year on ending people's lives is more important.
FTFY bro
Good. Hopefully 200dems can join them.