AIPAC is a foreign actor and shouldn't be allowed to make political contributions.
And even if they're allowed, they should be treated by Democrats like a donation from the Kochs. They're a billionaire funded pro-Republican group. Anyone who works with them should be shunned.
Agreed.
Agreed, but also: if I were in their district (Bush or Bowman), I might even consider voting Republican out of spite.
Yes, AIPAC is to blame, but Democrats also need to grow a spine against AIPAC. They can't just take progressive voters for granted.
Voting for republican as a protest only pushes things further to the right. It absolutely does not signal that you want to push the other way
Besides, AIPAC is a bipartisan organization, so the GOP candidate is also going to be a Zionist stooge.
Protest abstentions are better, but also simply too dangerous when Congress is more or less split 50/50. We're yet again being held hostage by an inherently corrupt election process.
If the Democratic congressional candidate underperforms the Democratic presidential candidate, it definitely sends a signal.
Obviously, it only "sends a signal" if progressives say what they're gonna do.
But it has a double whammy: Dems get a 2 vote difference when you switch.
It definitely sends a signal, just the complete opposite one that protesting that way intends. Republicans getting more votes will be seen as a signal that the republican candidate was more popular and outperforming. It encourages people running there to act more like that republican
Mind you that the republicans are certainly going to have an even worse take on gaza
Edit: futher, a party looking at a primary moving the right followed by higher republican margins from a protest vote signals that the district as a whole might be moving to right
Edit2: to really hit the point, protest votes for republicans appear identical to full support of republicans. There is no "why I voted" short section at the ballot box, only number of votes
You have to look at the bigger picture, not the short term issue.
If progressives want to be taken seriously, and if Americans want AIPAC out of politics, then there have to be consequences.
If Latimer and Bell hold on to the seat, corporate and AIPAC Democrats only learn that they can take progressives for granted.
If they lose their seat, they learn that they need progressive support to win.
Yeah, two years of a republican rep will suck. But it's only two years.
This is missing what I am saying:
Protest votes for republicans appear identical to fullthroated support for republicans. There is no "why I voted" short answer on the ballot
All it does is signal support the (also AIPAC backed) republicans
It will not be seen as a consequence of not choosing a progressive
If a republican wins there, you are absolutely not going to see progressive run in that seat. You will see more and more "centrists" run. The long term picture is worse
I don't think you understand how politics and elections work.
If people on the flanks give their voting power to "Blue (or Red) no matter who", you end up with the Clintons and Bushes of the world.
Parties have no incentive to actually do anything for their flanks.
When people on the flanks leverage their voting power effectively, you get MAGA and Justice Democrats.
Anyway, hope you learned something today. Otherwise, hope you have a nice day.
Let me get this straight. Are you seriously claiming that the MAGA crowd seized control of the GOP by protest voting for Democrats in the general elections?
Ok, so basically what you're saying is that you want democrats to vote red because.yiu also vote red. Glad we cleared that up. Go away.
What you are describing happens in primaries.
If you vote in the general for an R, oddly enough, politicians think you support the R ticket. Way to kneecap progressives guy.
Expecting Republicans to be on the correct side of Isreal is legit the dumbest thing I've read all week.
That's a stupid fucking idea. "I don't like the pizza toppings you ordered, so I'm going to punch myself in the testicles. That will show you."
I keep telling people, the AIPAC dollars are why you will never see a strong stand against Israel and nobody ever believes me...
“Nobody ever believes me”
2:37pst - 82 upvotes, 2 downvotes
I don’t know about that. Seems like a lot of people believe you here.
They might be referring to people they see IRL. Like family or friends. I'm pretty sure, though, that those are made up things. Like birds and Finland.
Representative Cori Bush of Missouri, one of the most outspoken progressives in the House, lost her primary on Tuesday, according to The Associated Press, falling to a campaign by powerful pro-Israel political groups intent on ousting a fierce critic of the nation’s genocide in Gaza.
Fixed
Check out Jen Perelman in South Florida
She's going against Debbie Wasserman Schultz and is explicitly anti AIPAC and progressive
From a slight bit of hope yesterday back into the reality of israel owning American politics.
People were talking a lot about AIPAC money when Bowman lost his primary, but he lost with 41.3% to his opponent's 58.7%. It was a wipe-out because he was genuinely unpopular after making a series of unforced blunders. I'm sure that he would have lost, although perhaps not by so much, even with no AIPAC spending.
Now Bush lost with 46% to Bell's 51%. That's not nearly as one-sided as Bowman's loss, but I still find it strange that commentators are so quick to dismiss the ability of the people of St. Louis to make their own decisions. Maybe they were actually able to think for themselves, consider the two candidates, and pick the one they preferred rather than being led like sheep?
The idea that money is unimportant in influencing votes is quite a take.
Alternative theory:
Being pro-Israel and anti-Netenyahu, and pro-Palestinian and anti-Homicidal death cult, is actually really popular amongst people who vote at the ballot box instead of voting online ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Agreed. Fuck PAC money but losing as the incumbent is telling.
Edit- lot of butthurt "progressives" that can't handle they're not as popular as they think.
maybe she shouldn't have sided with republicans and voted against the infrastructure bill.
This is always a disingenuous attack. She voted against it because it was promised to passed along with Bulid Back Better. Conservatives in the senate blocked BBB, so she voted against it to show disapproval.
hahahahahahahahahahaha fuck the squad, every last jihadi cheerleading jew hater needs to be ousted, tlaib and omar are on the docket next cycle. every last one.
Anti-isreal = jew hate? Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Yeah... okay mate.
Oh look. It's every centrist's inner monologue.
I always knew you were a piece of shit, but you usually try to hide it.
Yeesh man what the hell
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100%. They’ll be gone soon enough.
The Israelis? Boy I hope so.
Nope, the Terrorist supporting Squad. Deus Vult brother.
AIPAC is a foreign actor and shouldn't be allowed to make political contributions.
And even if they're allowed, they should be treated by Democrats like a donation from the Kochs. They're a billionaire funded pro-Republican group. Anyone who works with them should be shunned.
Agreed.
Agreed, but also: if I were in their district (Bush or Bowman), I might even consider voting Republican out of spite.
Yes, AIPAC is to blame, but Democrats also need to grow a spine against AIPAC. They can't just take progressive voters for granted.
Voting for republican as a protest only pushes things further to the right. It absolutely does not signal that you want to push the other way
Besides, AIPAC is a bipartisan organization, so the GOP candidate is also going to be a Zionist stooge.
Protest abstentions are better, but also simply too dangerous when Congress is more or less split 50/50. We're yet again being held hostage by an inherently corrupt election process.
If the Democratic congressional candidate underperforms the Democratic presidential candidate, it definitely sends a signal.
Obviously, it only "sends a signal" if progressives say what they're gonna do.
But it has a double whammy: Dems get a 2 vote difference when you switch.
It definitely sends a signal, just the complete opposite one that protesting that way intends. Republicans getting more votes will be seen as a signal that the republican candidate was more popular and outperforming. It encourages people running there to act more like that republican
Mind you that the republicans are certainly going to have an even worse take on gaza
Edit: futher, a party looking at a primary moving the right followed by higher republican margins from a protest vote signals that the district as a whole might be moving to right
Edit2: to really hit the point, protest votes for republicans appear identical to full support of republicans. There is no "why I voted" short section at the ballot box, only number of votes
You have to look at the bigger picture, not the short term issue.
If progressives want to be taken seriously, and if Americans want AIPAC out of politics, then there have to be consequences.
If Latimer and Bell hold on to the seat, corporate and AIPAC Democrats only learn that they can take progressives for granted.
If they lose their seat, they learn that they need progressive support to win.
Yeah, two years of a republican rep will suck. But it's only two years.
This is missing what I am saying: Protest votes for republicans appear identical to fullthroated support for republicans. There is no "why I voted" short answer on the ballot
All it does is signal support the (also AIPAC backed) republicans
It will not be seen as a consequence of not choosing a progressive
If a republican wins there, you are absolutely not going to see progressive run in that seat. You will see more and more "centrists" run. The long term picture is worse
I don't think you understand how politics and elections work.
If people on the flanks give their voting power to "Blue (or Red) no matter who", you end up with the Clintons and Bushes of the world. Parties have no incentive to actually do anything for their flanks.
When people on the flanks leverage their voting power effectively, you get MAGA and Justice Democrats.
Anyway, hope you learned something today. Otherwise, hope you have a nice day.
Let me get this straight. Are you seriously claiming that the MAGA crowd seized control of the GOP by protest voting for Democrats in the general elections?
Ok, so basically what you're saying is that you want democrats to vote red because.yiu also vote red. Glad we cleared that up. Go away.
What you are describing happens in primaries.
If you vote in the general for an R, oddly enough, politicians think you support the R ticket. Way to kneecap progressives guy.
Expecting Republicans to be on the correct side of Isreal is legit the dumbest thing I've read all week.
That's a stupid fucking idea. "I don't like the pizza toppings you ordered, so I'm going to punch myself in the testicles. That will show you."
I keep telling people, the AIPAC dollars are why you will never see a strong stand against Israel and nobody ever believes me...
2:37pst - 82 upvotes, 2 downvotes
I don’t know about that. Seems like a lot of people believe you here.
They might be referring to people they see IRL. Like family or friends. I'm pretty sure, though, that those are made up things. Like birds and Finland.
Fixed
Check out Jen Perelman in South Florida
She's going against Debbie Wasserman Schultz and is explicitly anti AIPAC and progressive
https://www.jen2024.org/
AIPAC strikes again.
From a slight bit of hope yesterday back into the reality of israel owning American politics.
People were talking a lot about AIPAC money when Bowman lost his primary, but he lost with 41.3% to his opponent's 58.7%. It was a wipe-out because he was genuinely unpopular after making a series of unforced blunders. I'm sure that he would have lost, although perhaps not by so much, even with no AIPAC spending.
Now Bush lost with 46% to Bell's 51%. That's not nearly as one-sided as Bowman's loss, but I still find it strange that commentators are so quick to dismiss the ability of the people of St. Louis to make their own decisions. Maybe they were actually able to think for themselves, consider the two candidates, and pick the one they preferred rather than being led like sheep?
The idea that money is unimportant in influencing votes is quite a take.
Alternative theory:
Being pro-Israel and anti-Netenyahu, and pro-Palestinian and anti-Homicidal death cult, is actually really popular amongst people who vote at the ballot box instead of voting online ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Agreed. Fuck PAC money but losing as the incumbent is telling.
Edit- lot of butthurt "progressives" that can't handle they're not as popular as they think.
maybe she shouldn't have sided with republicans and voted against the infrastructure bill.
This is always a disingenuous attack. She voted against it because it was promised to passed along with Bulid Back Better. Conservatives in the senate blocked BBB, so she voted against it to show disapproval.
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hahahahahahahahahahaha fuck the squad, every last jihadi cheerleading jew hater needs to be ousted, tlaib and omar are on the docket next cycle. every last one.
Anti-isreal = jew hate? Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Yeah... okay mate.
Oh look. It's every centrist's inner monologue.
I always knew you were a piece of shit, but you usually try to hide it.
Yeesh man what the hell
This comment, and other similar ones by Downpunxx are being mass reported.
People seem to think we have a "bad language" ban. We don't. You can say whatever you want about the SUBJECT OF AN ARTICLE.
Directing it at other users gets a comment removed. Slurs are also removed. There is nothing actionable here, you can stop reporting it.
Just block the user and move on.
100%. They’ll be gone soon enough.
The Israelis? Boy I hope so.
Nope, the Terrorist supporting Squad. Deus Vult brother.