This, this is what we need. If everyone votes. If we can get a progressive executive in and a progressive Congress where we can, we can potentially correct the course everything is going.
No more control of everything by the wealthy. That is the ultimate goal. We want to separate power from money.
Listen to progressives, get progressive enthusiasm.
Democrats have had it backwards for so long, demanding that progressives must demonstrate more decades of unearned fealty before the party will consider listening to them.
Look what happens when they put the horse before the cart for once.
I don’t need to be that guy, but I think we can thank Joe.
That man has been around for decades, championing neoliberal trash easily for the first two thirds. It’s taken someone like him being wrong over and over and over, getting up again, and making better decisions the next day.
Thanks, Joe.
It’s ironic that all these new lovers of geopolitics that hate Joe for his Israel stance over the years also refuse to consider American politics. Joe’s only doing what the American Empire has been working towards for a century. The fact he’s pushed back at all is incredible. This isn’t “gay marriage is a good thing” or “black people should use fountains” — the existence of Israel and western influence in that area is possibly worth trillions of dollars. Joe’s listening, he just knows more than us. Obviously.
And the decision to step aside for his country to boot. Admiration abound for demonstrating true leadership there, and overall.
What I was referencing really, but his entire fall into mostly progressive policies has been a kind of crazy sight. Like how’d we get to Walz? This feels like a Henry Wallace pick to me. Crazy.
Need to ungerrymander states or else you'll have nothing if the house is full of red shit state obstructionists
Just have Harris murder them before they're sworn in and keep double tapping every new one that shows up until the state legislature get the message.
Impeachment is a joke and the scotus said presidents are immune. She can literally do whatever she wants.
/s of course
Dark brandon still has 5 months to fuck shit up for the regressives. LETS GO!
We want to separate power from money.
Unfortunately, the two have an extremely strong attraction to each other. Keeping them apart isn't feasible in the long run without actively dismantling concentrations of power.
Money is literally power.
It is a coupon that commands a fraction of labor and capital combined.
You'd need to get rid of the post of president for that.
Or get rid of the (people that have all the) money.
That will just make other people take that place. Better start taxing the hell out of the rich, up to 100% at a certain level.
If we can get a progressive executive in and a progressive Congress
Ultimately, they are cowards. And when they see the numbers of voters for the progressives, most will abandon that when we also see that a huge amount of progressives are well armed.
If we can get a progressive executive in and a progressive Congress where we can, we can potentially correct the course everything is going.
Strong disagree.
Getting a progressive executive and Congress would be great, but there is no way in hell they're going to correct course before the next midterm election, or the next presidential election, or the ones a decade after that.
Remember that it took Evangelicals fifty years of strident work to get Roe overturned. That is the level of effort that will be required to change course on just one issue.
Stop putting hope in people's minds that we can unfuck ourselves faster than we fucked ourselves. This needs to happen every single election for the rest of my life before I would agree that the course has been corrected, and this sort of attitude makes people give up on voting because things won't change very much in the short term.
The difference between Roe and progressive policies is that said policies are broadly popular with the electorate. Making durable, unpopular changes under minority rule is virtually impossible with our federal legislature, and the right had to finally luck out and enact them by installing enough Supreme Court justices willing to upend the system. From a long-term view, Roe wasn't a sustained effort, or at least not a successful one until very recently. The evangelicals had been losing support on the issue every year and exploited a crack in the system that McConnell exposed in 2016.
The GOP and the conservative coalition within the Democratic Party can't afford to allow significant progressive policy through even once because it becomes political suicide to repeal without years of propaganda and budgetary ratfucking. Obamacare is the latest example. It's not even close to the same effort level.
A second New Deal Congress is coming within our lifetimes. The demographics say it's inevitable (as long as we have elections, anyway). Yes, it will take work, and it starts in the primaries.
Luck out? Hardly. It was the careful, planned work of decades of effort from Leonard Leo and the rest of the Federalist society weirdos
A second New Deal Congress is coming within our lifetimes.
That entirely depends on how old you think I am.
I've been hearing this sort of thing for decades already, and I don't see it happening.
I'll keep voting, but I'm done holding my breath. The American People have let me down too many times.
I agree with you completely that need more than 2-4 years to correct the course. But we could get decades of actual progress if we just fix one glaring issue now.
We need to abolish the electoral college.
That alone would decimate any chances that the republican party has of winning a presidential election anytime soon, at least with thier current platform. It wouldn't be everything, but it would be a damn good start.
We need to abolish the electoral college
Which will require a Constitutional amendment. Which most of the states won't go for because most of them will lose power.
So we'd need a supermajority in both the House and Senate to do it.
Which will take decades of elections to get to, if it ever happens. And even if it does there will be other, more urgent things to do before then, and then we'll lose the supermajorities and have to start from scratch again.
Telling people we just need a couple good elections is creating false hope.
It's not false hope. It's just a long journey ahead.
You obviously understand more about the details of US politics than I do, and perhaps getting rid of the electoral college isn't realistic right now.
I get where you are coming from, this doesn't mean we can just sit back and enjoy. But this kind of turnout is a good thing. Harris is going to win, and that's the first step in the right direction.
I've seen this sort of thing too many times, only for it to fall apart completely because nobody explains to the kids that they need to keep this pressure up. I refuse to get my hopes up again.
Well I suppose some rando on lemmy isn't going to change that.
Can't wait to hear the Trump/Vance take on this.
"THEY MAKE PEOPLE WAIT"
I kind of pity trump’s sharpie. I’m not sure it has enough ink for all those stick figures he’s gonna be drawing.
I doubt he would know how. Suppose his cell mate could teach him, if he asks nicely.
His cell mate Bowling Ball Bag Bob,
Who like to play a game called "balls on chin"
Some GOP Governor will declare the line for one of their rallies loitering and send in the police. Trump will demand the rallies be suppressed.
their current shitty take is that these people allegedly only lined up for the "free concert" and "handouts" (that just must have happened to justify this many people in line, I mean, it's self evident isn't it? /s) and they then allegedly all left before Kamala even got on stage, lmao
“We make people wait longer!”
These crowds are incredible. Detroit was just as big. I'd post some Twitter, but you guys will whine no end.
Now why would truth social be OK with you guys and Twitter is not?
Kamala is meeting people where they’re at. Even if it’s a cesspool swamp worse than Twitter.
WTF are you talking about.
The truth social link points to a post by the Harris waltz campaign.
The argument isn't the presenter but the medium in which it is presented.
The medium it’s presented in has a lot of Trump supporters. Showing up and being visible in that space is important.
You're telling me. My IPTV just changed from the Olympics to the Trump news conference all by itself and I don't think I'll ever be the same.
Hell, at least Truth Social is clearly right wing; X is still pretending to be Twitter, wearing the blue bird like a skin suit.
“Put the lotion in the basket Elon…”
What would I care. For me confirmation of news happens with common sense story by story. A story can go though several modes of media before it gets to you. In fact, the whiners seem to dislike the owner of Twitter. I could give two shits because I know that a story can start in Twitter and end up on this very sub.
I found that I can either accept their cookies, or get more information about why I can only accept them, which concluded my brief visit.
Same here. I haven't felt filthy visiting a website in a long time
Me too! (I actually found it on mastodon)
Holy shit that’s a big crowd
I wish I knew how to use that site but it's kinda complicated to me
It honestly gives me chills that Democrats responded to organic democratic efforts. We finally had a real Primaries, and look at that enthusiasm.
I'll say it again and again: Enthusiasm is contagious. Every one of these people are amped up; they will then turn around and talk to their family and friends. They will remind more apathetic people they know who lean left and convince them to register and vote. Because their morale is high, they're going to spend a little more time combating trolls on social media instead of letting them run their mouths unchecked and spreading misinformation unchallenged. They may be able to even reach out to their uncle or parent who leans right and gain a convert here and there... Again, because excitement is contagious.
I've been saying this for years that this is how Democrats win.
fingers crossed for you, USizens - and for the rest of the world, I guess...
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This, this is what we need. If everyone votes. If we can get a progressive executive in and a progressive Congress where we can, we can potentially correct the course everything is going.
No more control of everything by the wealthy. That is the ultimate goal. We want to separate power from money.
Listen to progressives, get progressive enthusiasm.
Democrats have had it backwards for so long, demanding that progressives must demonstrate more decades of unearned fealty before the party will consider listening to them.
Look what happens when they put the horse before the cart for once.
I don’t need to be that guy, but I think we can thank Joe.
That man has been around for decades, championing neoliberal trash easily for the first two thirds. It’s taken someone like him being wrong over and over and over, getting up again, and making better decisions the next day.
Thanks, Joe.
It’s ironic that all these new lovers of geopolitics that hate Joe for his Israel stance over the years also refuse to consider American politics. Joe’s only doing what the American Empire has been working towards for a century. The fact he’s pushed back at all is incredible. This isn’t “gay marriage is a good thing” or “black people should use fountains” — the existence of Israel and western influence in that area is possibly worth trillions of dollars. Joe’s listening, he just knows more than us. Obviously.
And the decision to step aside for his country to boot. Admiration abound for demonstrating true leadership there, and overall.
What I was referencing really, but his entire fall into mostly progressive policies has been a kind of crazy sight. Like how’d we get to Walz? This feels like a Henry Wallace pick to me. Crazy.
Need to ungerrymander states or else you'll have nothing if the house is full of red shit state obstructionists
Just have Harris murder them before they're sworn in and keep double tapping every new one that shows up until the state legislature get the message.
Impeachment is a joke and the scotus said presidents are immune. She can literally do whatever she wants.
/s of course
Dark brandon still has 5 months to fuck shit up for the regressives. LETS GO!
Unfortunately, the two have an extremely strong attraction to each other. Keeping them apart isn't feasible in the long run without actively dismantling concentrations of power.
Money is literally power.
It is a coupon that commands a fraction of labor and capital combined.
You'd need to get rid of the post of president for that.
Or get rid of the (people that have all the) money.
That will just make other people take that place. Better start taxing the hell out of the rich, up to 100% at a certain level.
Hold on there. Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts has other ideas. "...we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.....”
Ultimately, they are cowards. And when they see the numbers of voters for the progressives, most will abandon that when we also see that a huge amount of progressives are well armed.
Strong disagree.
Getting a progressive executive and Congress would be great, but there is no way in hell they're going to correct course before the next midterm election, or the next presidential election, or the ones a decade after that.
Remember that it took Evangelicals fifty years of strident work to get Roe overturned. That is the level of effort that will be required to change course on just one issue.
Stop putting hope in people's minds that we can unfuck ourselves faster than we fucked ourselves. This needs to happen every single election for the rest of my life before I would agree that the course has been corrected, and this sort of attitude makes people give up on voting because things won't change very much in the short term.
The difference between Roe and progressive policies is that said policies are broadly popular with the electorate. Making durable, unpopular changes under minority rule is virtually impossible with our federal legislature, and the right had to finally luck out and enact them by installing enough Supreme Court justices willing to upend the system. From a long-term view, Roe wasn't a sustained effort, or at least not a successful one until very recently. The evangelicals had been losing support on the issue every year and exploited a crack in the system that McConnell exposed in 2016.
The GOP and the conservative coalition within the Democratic Party can't afford to allow significant progressive policy through even once because it becomes political suicide to repeal without years of propaganda and budgetary ratfucking. Obamacare is the latest example. It's not even close to the same effort level.
A second New Deal Congress is coming within our lifetimes. The demographics say it's inevitable (as long as we have elections, anyway). Yes, it will take work, and it starts in the primaries.
Luck out? Hardly. It was the careful, planned work of decades of effort from Leonard Leo and the rest of the Federalist society weirdos
That entirely depends on how old you think I am.
I've been hearing this sort of thing for decades already, and I don't see it happening.
I'll keep voting, but I'm done holding my breath. The American People have let me down too many times.
I agree with you completely that need more than 2-4 years to correct the course. But we could get decades of actual progress if we just fix one glaring issue now.
We need to abolish the electoral college.
That alone would decimate any chances that the republican party has of winning a presidential election anytime soon, at least with thier current platform. It wouldn't be everything, but it would be a damn good start.
Which will require a Constitutional amendment. Which most of the states won't go for because most of them will lose power.
So we'd need a supermajority in both the House and Senate to do it.
Which will take decades of elections to get to, if it ever happens. And even if it does there will be other, more urgent things to do before then, and then we'll lose the supermajorities and have to start from scratch again.
Telling people we just need a couple good elections is creating false hope.
It's not false hope. It's just a long journey ahead.
You obviously understand more about the details of US politics than I do, and perhaps getting rid of the electoral college isn't realistic right now.
I get where you are coming from, this doesn't mean we can just sit back and enjoy. But this kind of turnout is a good thing. Harris is going to win, and that's the first step in the right direction.
I've seen this sort of thing too many times, only for it to fall apart completely because nobody explains to the kids that they need to keep this pressure up. I refuse to get my hopes up again.
Well I suppose some rando on lemmy isn't going to change that.
Can't wait to hear the Trump/Vance take on this.
"THEY MAKE PEOPLE WAIT"
I kind of pity trump’s sharpie. I’m not sure it has enough ink for all those stick figures he’s gonna be drawing.
I doubt he would know how. Suppose his cell mate could teach him, if he asks nicely.
His cell mate Bowling Ball Bag Bob, Who like to play a game called "balls on chin"
Way better than when Trump made people wait and they ended up in the hospital
Some GOP Governor will declare the line for one of their rallies loitering and send in the police. Trump will demand the rallies be suppressed.
their current shitty take is that these people allegedly only lined up for the "free concert" and "handouts" (that just must have happened to justify this many people in line, I mean, it's self evident isn't it? /s) and they then allegedly all left before Kamala even got on stage, lmao
“We make people wait longer!”
These crowds are incredible. Detroit was just as big. I'd post some Twitter, but you guys will whine no end.
Let's test a mastodon link instead!
https://mastodon.social/@KraftTea/112922529525115222
Or or, and hear me out (actual campaign presence): https://truthsocial.com/@KamalaHQ/posts/112917651295728303
Now why would truth social be OK with you guys and Twitter is not?
Kamala is meeting people where they’re at. Even if it’s a cesspool swamp worse than Twitter.
WTF are you talking about.
The truth social link points to a post by the Harris waltz campaign.
The argument isn't the presenter but the medium in which it is presented.
The medium it’s presented in has a lot of Trump supporters. Showing up and being visible in that space is important.
You're telling me. My IPTV just changed from the Olympics to the Trump news conference all by itself and I don't think I'll ever be the same.
Hell, at least Truth Social is clearly right wing; X is still pretending to be Twitter, wearing the blue bird like a skin suit.
“Put the lotion in the basket Elon…”
What would I care. For me confirmation of news happens with common sense story by story. A story can go though several modes of media before it gets to you. In fact, the whiners seem to dislike the owner of Twitter. I could give two shits because I know that a story can start in Twitter and end up on this very sub.
Meh, post any. Let them whine!
Let's watch
Eu Clare. https://x.com/jake__traylor/status/1821238502589071585?s=19
Motown https://x.com/da_wessel/status/1821313969505645023?s=19
First time I've ever clicked a truth social link
I found that I can either accept their cookies, or get more information about why I can only accept them, which concluded my brief visit.
Same here. I haven't felt filthy visiting a website in a long time
Me too! (I actually found it on mastodon)
Holy shit that’s a big crowd
I wish I knew how to use that site but it's kinda complicated to me
It honestly gives me chills that Democrats responded to organic democratic efforts. We finally had a real Primaries, and look at that enthusiasm.
I'll say it again and again: Enthusiasm is contagious. Every one of these people are amped up; they will then turn around and talk to their family and friends. They will remind more apathetic people they know who lean left and convince them to register and vote. Because their morale is high, they're going to spend a little more time combating trolls on social media instead of letting them run their mouths unchecked and spreading misinformation unchallenged. They may be able to even reach out to their uncle or parent who leans right and gain a convert here and there... Again, because excitement is contagious.
I've been saying this for years that this is how Democrats win.
fingers crossed for you, USizens - and for the rest of the world, I guess...
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