The owner of a meat business in western Michigan was ordered to pay $1,143
“Two months later, we wouldn’t even be here,” the judge said, noting that the teen soon would have turned 18 years old.
“Ionia County is a farming county, and I know a lot of people in this county view children working, sometimes around dangerous machinery, as part of growing up,” [the judge] said.
He said the boy was warned to never put his hand inside the grinder.
What the FUCK
And if conservatives get their way the victims ages will keep going down
He said the boy was warned to never put his hand inside the grinder.
He said the boy was warned not to fall into the thresher. Why did he fall into the thresher?
It's like one of those Ernest Hemingway one-sentence stories, that all by itself tells you 100% of what you need to know.
“Ionia County is a farming county, and I know a lot of people in this county view children working, sometimes around dangerous machinery, as part of growing up,” [the judge] said.
I married a farm girl and live in a small town surrounded by farming communities. This is unfortunately very true. Harvest time comes you need all of the help you can get to harvest everything before the weather destroys it. There's no easy answer to this problem as most people generally don't want to work on farms given the work conditions, and most small family farms can't afford to pay for the labor they need (and its gigantic corporate farms where the real abuse happens because there's no incentive to maintain the land or animals) Pretty much the only people willing to work on farms are the people who grew up on farms and people who can't work anywhere else (such as migrant laborers from poorer countries)
Until they start jailing the people hiring and maiming children, this will continue to be seen as little more than the cost of doing business.
So a hand is worth a little more than a thousand dollars... What's a whole body worth?
My father lost multiple fingers working in the 70s? He was paid 1700ish per each accident (twice)...this is downright cruel.
Should be able to get 50% of salary in that industry, for life.
Too bad the lawyers are going to take 40% off the top.
If you go by weight:
A hand is about 0.46kg
An average adult body is about 81kg
81÷0.46×1143
=> about 200.000$
Second question: I'm trying to sell my body at a steep discount, but still nobody's interested?
Step 1: be attractive
You've clearly never been propositioned by a meth head.
Maybe portion it out instead of selling the whole thing at once? You'll find someone looking for a kneecap or a left ear more often than you'll find someone wanting the entire body
Basically the same you do with an old car to get more money out of it. But also more work and you need to be a lot more patient, have more potential customers, idiots among them or people trying to beat down the price. Hard to estimate if it's worth it. On the other hand it might be easier to get rid of the rest after you sold the most important stuff, kidneys etc. Maybe people are discouraged by having to buy the whole thing, but someone could be willing to get the rest for final evisceration.
Idk, maybe you are still too expensive?
Well, I finally found a taker, but I ended up having to pay her? Thanks, Obama.
Great fucking job, the country which was seen as a symbol of modernization is rolling back to the 1920s.
Jfc. The fine should have been $1 mil with half going to the kid.
Fuck that. The kid will have an entire lifetime of the government taking his money. People should be in jail and the kid should be a multi-millionaire.
The fun part is that he now gets to be on disability for life. At the company's expense? No. At the taxpayer's expense.
Don't get me wrong, he deserves it, but it should be the company paying out for the rest of this guy's life.
A life of enforced destitution. Yay.
Yeah, not surprising and not new.
I mean it's nice to see this getting some light and on this but honestly nothing new outside of crappy Republicans looking to get rid of parental consent to have these accidents happen.
I was one of these kids that worked at 14, with my parents signing off on the work permit, to keep food in the table and that check is honestly worthless since once you got the job all enforcement and checks are ignored outside of one rule. I've had a friend get his thumb caught between a roller at the age of 15 that he shouldn't have been allowed to work on, another of that suffered chemical burns. I've had my fair share of working machines that by law I shouldn't have been working at and had a few injuries but thankfully nothing maiming.
There were was never anyone who checked out enforced any of the rules and none of us ever complained because, well there's a reason were working these jobs and not a cushy retail job, and none of these companies ever suffered any meaningful consequences. The laws and enforcement were and remain laughably inadequate except the one rule as I've said, the hours worked. They followed the number of hours we're allowed to work because that's the only thing anyone ever really checked on probably because that would be the only thing that would trigger audits.
Over twenty years later and nothing has really changed and only getting worse thanks to Republicans.
The fine is $1,143 BTW
And no way they throw out an industrial grinder. So even with a good cleaning we've returned to the good old days where human flesh wasn't uncommon in meat production. Welcome to America
Oh boy, a fine!
Personal responsibility! Ridiculous that this child wasn't more responsible and cost his employer 2 years of wages for a teenager
Two years wages is ~$1200?
I'm over paying my interns.
This child...was 2 months away from being 18. He wasn't 10. Most teenagers start working in highschool around 16, to learn responsibilities and the world.
I'm 35. You'd better believe I'd get more than 1k if I lost my hand at work. Why are you and others like you harping on him being "almost 18"? So fucking what?
and others like you
It's the same guy. He REALLY seems to want to defend the position of hiring 17-year-olds to do dangerous jobs.
This has to be the guy responsible for this. He’s all over the thread defending a company that wouldn’t give 2 shits about him
O I don't give a shit about the company, hell I agree they should have been fined more for their violation of the laws, but trying to fine a company for a workers idiotic behavior and refusal to follow proper safety is a stupid take. It's one that a ton of people here in this thread are all over. People didn't even read the thread really as most of them seem to think this dude was like 7 and working in some coal mine.
This business didn’t have work permits and was breaking the law by employing this kid in this way.
The business did the wrong thing. This kid paid for it with his hand. And the business pays what is probably less than 1% of their monthly gross.
It’s a strong signal that there’s no real Justice for these bastards. Next time, some 16 year old will lose his life.
Completely agree, they were in the wrong legally, but I'm not arguing anything on the business side. I'm pointing out that it wasn't some 8 year old. The told him not to stick his hands in a dangerous machine and he ignored that. Working with machines is dangerous if you don't follow safety protocols.
This is why we don’t have kids that age doing those jobs. They have impulsivity problems, so we start them with low risk shit like flipping burgers. Either the law means something or it doesn’t.
Working near a frier is just as dangerous. Probably more so considering they have to operate it.
The point is, when is it ok to allow someone to be in these environments? 21? 25? What about driving? That's more dangerous than working on a farm or any job.
Michigan should really have more uproar over this, this should be completely unacceptable.
You'd think so, but a good chunk of Michigan is still quite conservative, and stuck in their old ways as a result. When it comes to business bootlicking and self cannibalism, the Midwest only comes in close second to the deep South, and big businesses have exploited this since the very concept existed. They will not stop until we make changes at the state and federal levels, but conservatives will literally die defending their warped view of how things should be to make themselves rich.
Just US news...
Jokes on you
The UK is planning on the same
This is the best summary I could come up with:
IONIA, Mich. (AP) — The owner of a meat business in western Michigan was ordered to pay $1,143 Tuesday after a 17-year-old worker lost his hand in a grinder.
Ionia County Judge Ray Voet said the accident was a “horrible tragedy” but didn’t warrant jail or probation for Darin Wilbur, WOOD-TV reported.
The teenager lost his hand in 2019 while working at US Guys Processing in Saranac, 25 miles (40 kilometers) east of Grand Rapids.
“Two months later, we wouldn’t even be here,” the judge said, noting that the teen soon would have turned 18 years old.
Defense attorney Howard Van Den Heuvel said Wilbur hired the teen, a high school dropout, as a way to help him.
He said the boy was warned to never put his hand inside the grinder.
Defense attorney Howard Van Den Heuvel said Wilbur hired the teen, a high school dropout, as a way to help him. He said the boy was warned to never put his hand inside the grinder.
I'm sympathetic to this, but he shouldn't have been working around dangerous machinery at all. Give the kid safer jobs, like fetching tools or mopping floors.
Or let kids be kids and not used as labor.
Ideally yes. In reality, we don't have UBI yet.
I hope they at least had to help him find it. /s
The kid is a high school dropout. What's he going to do with no education and just one hand? How is he supposed to make a living?
How is the type of accident even possible in 2023? We've had a century to evolve industrial safety.
Lastly, that judge is an asshole. "2 months later and we wouldn't even be here" ... irrelevant. We had to draw the line somewhere. That line is there to protect the vulnerable.
And that nonsense about dangerous machinery just part of growing up? Not in a long, long time. We used to have a lot more kids back then too, because we expected we'd lose some to disease or injury.
What the FUCK
And if conservatives get their way the victims ages will keep going down
He said the boy was warned not to fall into the thresher. Why did he fall into the thresher?
It's like one of those Ernest Hemingway one-sentence stories, that all by itself tells you 100% of what you need to know.
I married a farm girl and live in a small town surrounded by farming communities. This is unfortunately very true. Harvest time comes you need all of the help you can get to harvest everything before the weather destroys it. There's no easy answer to this problem as most people generally don't want to work on farms given the work conditions, and most small family farms can't afford to pay for the labor they need (and its gigantic corporate farms where the real abuse happens because there's no incentive to maintain the land or animals) Pretty much the only people willing to work on farms are the people who grew up on farms and people who can't work anywhere else (such as migrant laborers from poorer countries)
Until they start jailing the people hiring and maiming children, this will continue to be seen as little more than the cost of doing business.
So a hand is worth a little more than a thousand dollars... What's a whole body worth?
My father lost multiple fingers working in the 70s? He was paid 1700ish per each accident (twice)...this is downright cruel.
Should be able to get 50% of salary in that industry, for life.
Too bad the lawyers are going to take 40% off the top.
If you go by weight:
A hand is about 0.46kg
An average adult body is about 81kg
81÷0.46×1143
=> about 200.000$
Second question: I'm trying to sell my body at a steep discount, but still nobody's interested?
Step 1: be attractive
You've clearly never been propositioned by a meth head.
Maybe portion it out instead of selling the whole thing at once? You'll find someone looking for a kneecap or a left ear more often than you'll find someone wanting the entire body
Basically the same you do with an old car to get more money out of it. But also more work and you need to be a lot more patient, have more potential customers, idiots among them or people trying to beat down the price. Hard to estimate if it's worth it. On the other hand it might be easier to get rid of the rest after you sold the most important stuff, kidneys etc. Maybe people are discouraged by having to buy the whole thing, but someone could be willing to get the rest for final evisceration.
Idk, maybe you are still too expensive?
Well, I finally found a taker, but I ended up having to pay her? Thanks, Obama.
I’d pay $1500 for a butt steak.
Great fucking job, the country which was seen as a symbol of modernization is rolling back to the 1920s.
Jfc. The fine should have been $1 mil with half going to the kid.
Fuck that. The kid will have an entire lifetime of the government taking his money. People should be in jail and the kid should be a multi-millionaire.
The fun part is that he now gets to be on disability for life. At the company's expense? No. At the taxpayer's expense.
Don't get me wrong, he deserves it, but it should be the company paying out for the rest of this guy's life.
A life of enforced destitution. Yay.
Yeah, not surprising and not new.
I mean it's nice to see this getting some light and on this but honestly nothing new outside of crappy Republicans looking to get rid of parental consent to have these accidents happen.
I was one of these kids that worked at 14, with my parents signing off on the work permit, to keep food in the table and that check is honestly worthless since once you got the job all enforcement and checks are ignored outside of one rule. I've had a friend get his thumb caught between a roller at the age of 15 that he shouldn't have been allowed to work on, another of that suffered chemical burns. I've had my fair share of working machines that by law I shouldn't have been working at and had a few injuries but thankfully nothing maiming.
There were was never anyone who checked out enforced any of the rules and none of us ever complained because, well there's a reason were working these jobs and not a cushy retail job, and none of these companies ever suffered any meaningful consequences. The laws and enforcement were and remain laughably inadequate except the one rule as I've said, the hours worked. They followed the number of hours we're allowed to work because that's the only thing anyone ever really checked on probably because that would be the only thing that would trigger audits.
Over twenty years later and nothing has really changed and only getting worse thanks to Republicans.
And no way they throw out an industrial grinder. So even with a good cleaning we've returned to the good old days where human flesh wasn't uncommon in meat production. Welcome to America
Oh boy, a fine!
Personal responsibility! Ridiculous that this child wasn't more responsible and cost his employer 2 years of wages for a teenager
Two years wages is ~$1200?
I'm over paying my interns.
This child...was 2 months away from being 18. He wasn't 10. Most teenagers start working in highschool around 16, to learn responsibilities and the world.
I'm 35. You'd better believe I'd get more than 1k if I lost my hand at work. Why are you and others like you harping on him being "almost 18"? So fucking what?
It's the same guy. He REALLY seems to want to defend the position of hiring 17-year-olds to do dangerous jobs.
This has to be the guy responsible for this. He’s all over the thread defending a company that wouldn’t give 2 shits about him
O I don't give a shit about the company, hell I agree they should have been fined more for their violation of the laws, but trying to fine a company for a workers idiotic behavior and refusal to follow proper safety is a stupid take. It's one that a ton of people here in this thread are all over. People didn't even read the thread really as most of them seem to think this dude was like 7 and working in some coal mine.
This business didn’t have work permits and was breaking the law by employing this kid in this way.
The business did the wrong thing. This kid paid for it with his hand. And the business pays what is probably less than 1% of their monthly gross.
It’s a strong signal that there’s no real Justice for these bastards. Next time, some 16 year old will lose his life.
Completely agree, they were in the wrong legally, but I'm not arguing anything on the business side. I'm pointing out that it wasn't some 8 year old. The told him not to stick his hands in a dangerous machine and he ignored that. Working with machines is dangerous if you don't follow safety protocols.
This is why we don’t have kids that age doing those jobs. They have impulsivity problems, so we start them with low risk shit like flipping burgers. Either the law means something or it doesn’t.
Working near a frier is just as dangerous. Probably more so considering they have to operate it.
The point is, when is it ok to allow someone to be in these environments? 21? 25? What about driving? That's more dangerous than working on a farm or any job.
Michigan should really have more uproar over this, this should be completely unacceptable.
You'd think so, but a good chunk of Michigan is still quite conservative, and stuck in their old ways as a result. When it comes to business bootlicking and self cannibalism, the Midwest only comes in close second to the deep South, and big businesses have exploited this since the very concept existed. They will not stop until we make changes at the state and federal levels, but conservatives will literally die defending their warped view of how things should be to make themselves rich.
Just US news...
Jokes on you
The UK is planning on the same
This is the best summary I could come up with:
IONIA, Mich. (AP) — The owner of a meat business in western Michigan was ordered to pay $1,143 Tuesday after a 17-year-old worker lost his hand in a grinder.
Ionia County Judge Ray Voet said the accident was a “horrible tragedy” but didn’t warrant jail or probation for Darin Wilbur, WOOD-TV reported.
The teenager lost his hand in 2019 while working at US Guys Processing in Saranac, 25 miles (40 kilometers) east of Grand Rapids.
“Two months later, we wouldn’t even be here,” the judge said, noting that the teen soon would have turned 18 years old.
Defense attorney Howard Van Den Heuvel said Wilbur hired the teen, a high school dropout, as a way to help him.
He said the boy was warned to never put his hand inside the grinder.
I'm a bot and I'm open source!
I'm sympathetic to this, but he shouldn't have been working around dangerous machinery at all. Give the kid safer jobs, like fetching tools or mopping floors.
Or let kids be kids and not used as labor.
Ideally yes. In reality, we don't have UBI yet.
I hope they at least had to help him find it. /s
The kid is a high school dropout. What's he going to do with no education and just one hand? How is he supposed to make a living?
How is the type of accident even possible in 2023? We've had a century to evolve industrial safety.
Lastly, that judge is an asshole. "2 months later and we wouldn't even be here" ... irrelevant. We had to draw the line somewhere. That line is there to protect the vulnerable.
And that nonsense about dangerous machinery just part of growing up? Not in a long, long time. We used to have a lot more kids back then too, because we expected we'd lose some to disease or injury.
We evolved.
I mean, the judge hasn't, but the world has.