Harris to release medical records as campaign looks to pressure Trump to do the same
cbsnews.com
I admit I do love it when Trump gets trolled.
(Weirdly, the post title didn't match the headline in the actual link, but the version Lemmy let me click on to make the title works better anyway.)
He will not feel any pressure to release his. He won't do it. Everyone knows he won't.
But his repeated bullshit excuses will be fun to watch.
This right here is the problem, why he gets favorable treatment by the media, why he's the Republican figurehead. He's "fun to watch".
Here's what will happen: Harris will release her clean bill of health, he'll deny their veracity, he may then make an unsubstantiated boast about his own health, he may then also call into question the qualifications of Harris' doctor, he may then close with some sort of jingoistic non sequitur, or some nugget of misogyny. He will do these things in an almost robotically simplified way, that is at once instantly digestible and yet difficult to directly quote without editing. If anything he says proves the least bit problematic, Steven Cheung will claim that this editing proves malicious intent by the media, and that Trump was unfairly taken out of context. Meanwhile his thralls will either ignore the whole interval, or accept Cheung's version of events and redouble their support of a man who is not only unqualified, but it's actively a national liability. This will register surprise, shock, anger, any number of strong emotions, and viewership/readership will keep coming back, generating impressions and ad revenue, desperate for the new episode, to see what happens next, as if it were a show on HBO and not real life.
He's "fun to watch" when he's being a dipshit. Not when he's being a Nazi.
But I would like to borrow your crystal ball for next week's Lotto numbers please.
Even when he's "a dipshit", the attention he garners legitamizes him as a candidate. Attention is the whole game. The Michael Jordan of "no bad publicity." The entertainment you describe is just a different form of rubbernecking. And Trump attracts droves by regularly providing a new car accident to gawk at; and doing so on a fairly steady, news cycle friendly basis.
You can't legitimize a legitimate candidate any more than he's already been legitimized.
Expecting people to never talk about one of the two people who have a chance at being president next year within a month of election day is a bit silly.
I don't take exception to talking about him. I take exception with people being entertained by him. Even as schadenfreude.
The media legitimizes him by summerizing his statements. By hypothesizing what he meant instead of what he actually said. They give him the benefit of the doubt, time and time again. Age is no longer an issue, grabbing unconcenting women by their genetials is no longer an issue, felonies are no longer an issue, debt and taxes are no longer an issue, anything that has become boring is no longer an issue. It's all about new new new.
They push this bilge about fairness to justify giving him a platform, but really they just need a heel for their wrestling spectacle.
He didn't falsely claim, he lied. He didn't accidentally reference facist rhetoric, he used it. He doesn't deny climate change, he profits from it. Etc.
Pointing at him and laughing is how everyone figured out the emperor had no clothes.
In the Emperor's New Clothes, it is the emperor, his men, and the townspeople who are being conned by the weavers. In real life the mainstream media is more like the emperor, we're the townspeople, and Trump and Cheung are the weavers, who in the tale successfully escape with the money for the nonexistent clothes.
You're right. They should just cancel the Daily Show. All it does is help Trump. Laughing at bad people helps them.
If those people cultivate a posture of victimhood as a tool for propoganda, then yes, pointing and laughing at them justifies their outrage and is a help to them.
I will quote from a comment I made a while back on a different thread:
The conservatives have weaponized fact checking. Every time we slam dunk on them, they just get angrier and burrow deeper into denial.
It may feel good to laugh at them, lord knows they deserve it, but it is not effective in combating them. First and foremost it is most successful as entertainment, and entertainment is only as successful as it is profitable. And this ecosystem is dependent on Trump being relevant. He is a cash cow, a hideous, demonic cow, but the left and right alike are at his greasy teats just the same.
I'll even go one further and say that the catharsis we feel from watching a comedian humilate Trump releases pressure in the audience that might otherwise build into an actual revolution. If we can't tune in to our favorite funny man and get some appeasement about the sickening cognitive dissonance we suffer through day after day, we may be forced to direct that energy outward and actually get into the streets. In short, humor may be pacifying an otherwise powerful people.
Yep. Definitely cancel The Daily Show. It's a bad, bad thing.
Also Seth Meyers and Stephen Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel.
Oh, and Have I Got News for You on CNN. That's a new one, but it's funny.
And Last Week Tonight With John Oliver. He talks about Trump every week and makes fun of him.
Wow, so many shows that help Trump, am I right? We need to get these people off our TVs and return to real comedy! Like Perfect Strangers and ALF! Remember ALF?
Humor is a powerful rhetorical weapon. I wouldn't discount it.
They weren't that fun the first time.
I guess I take my humor out of this election where I can.
Oh man, same. It’s one thing to constantly hear about various privileged and lucky shitheads trying to make the world worse for others. It’s another thing entirely when the universe has seen fit to give such a bad one so much influence.
Much like with the pandemic, I try to at least appreciate when I am living through something historic. And when it is “future history students will not believe this is real” level stupidity, dark humor is waiting right there.
I can’t think of many things I find more awful than listening to that man speak. My obstructive sleep apnea, maybe. Maybe.
"As the healthiest person… as the healthiest American… there is no one healthier than me… as the healthiest, there is no need to release these… my medical records are stellar… so perfect. I'm great. These records are so great, there you have it. I'm perfectly… yes… perfectly healthy." - Trump
Well, I tried. I feel that it lacks some attacks to their opponent, but I can't dumb myself down enough to do more than that.
Here I'll help
"The best records... great memory.. the best... doctors claim to not have seen a memory like mine... beyond measure... they can't even measure it ladies and gentlemen.. even better than my opponent Sleepy Joe... I defeated Joe in 2020... complete landslide... I'll beat him in 2024."
still too coherent
"You know they asked me to— my medical records... they asked for them. The medical records. Can you believe this? The doctors, and believe me, I know doctors — they used to have the cures, were allowed to, you know, they just drank it. You could, any street corner, with malt, just go in. Hello Bob, you know. Beautiful. Believe me, they'd say Mr President, Sir, Mr President, you have the best blood pressure. So strong, beautiful, Mr President but we've been piled on with Iran. They don't allow the helicopters any more, and the coats? You can't. Any day, they said, any day you can have it for free, and I was smart, I got the 5 cents back. That's how they get you. But with Iran. So now the doctors say there's no need to have blood pressure any more. They said they never need to check again. And that's why you can't any more. Which is good. You know, not the Iran thing, that's sad."
Didn't he have a weirdo doctor release a letter in 2020 saying he was in the best form ever?
Seriously... It's like these people never learn. He's an obstinate child and will never do what he doesn't want to do unless compelled by the courts.
...and that's actually a thing that his cult loves.
People are saying.
These guys are all "lets release our medical records!" and they're all like "lets make a list of who's children we need to murder if they won't find some extra votes for us" but also like "let's get some christians to go to the capital and pray for lord and saviour trump to save everyone from the evil tyranny of Kamala".
Trump will just call it fake news and then say his doctors said he is the best health anyone has ever seen
And they'll believe it because it's a cult
his medical records are under audit
The FDA can’t believe what they’re seeing. They say mister President, we’ve never seen anything as great as your health all over. We need to study this to help America!
Probably more like "How is this man even alive?"
Would they settle for a letter from a weirdo saying he's the bigliest, healthliest man to ever president?
That's sort of what he did while president. But Trump's pill slinger, who was likely Trump's contact to the Oath Keepers, got himself elected to Congress. And boy has he been a shitbag ever since. Not that he wasn't a shitbag before as well.
But sure, there's probably another Doctor Nick level jackass out there who will vouch for Trump.
The first letter while he was running was written by a weirdo hippy looking guy who has died since if I recall correctly. But yes, he'll get another flunkey to write something I'm sure. (If he does anything, this time he seems to know nobody voting for him cares about anything.)
You could release a doctor's report saying Trump is going to die in 6 months and his plan is to install an unelected leader when he dies and his supporters would just cheer it
If he only needed his supporters to win, he would have won in 2020. I have no idea why people aren't aware of that now.
People voted against however things were because of the pandemic. Trump was in charge, so he caught the general dissatfication with everything.
Now the sting of inflation last year likely has a lot of those same people again upset at how things are and vote for change again, whoever it will be.
Also, 2020 was the most accessible election in history, with so much flexibility for remote voting and so many people not stuck at work unable to find time to vote. The gop has been changing that, locking down absentee voting more, successfully getting voting id laws passed, and reducing early voting sites and hours. People are too busy working at their workplace again, and access to voting is reduced.
Ok? He still needs more than just his supporters to win. If you think his win is inevitable and people shouldn't bother voting, just say so. Otherwise, what is your point?
You do understand the election is a toss-up, don't you?
Yes? Because many of those people are willing to vote for him because they always vote Republican, not because they like him. And they're being shaved off bit by bit. Pointing and laughing has been a help. The whole "weird" thing is infuriating them.
He needs more than his supporters to win, the election is a toss-up, and his supporters are dumping him.
...are you going to tell me he's shifting left, because that would be ludicrous, but seems to be the only way to draw a coherent thread out of what you're saying?
No? I'm telling you that he can't win with just his supporters. Are you suggesting he's definitely going to win and no one should bother voting for Harris? What is the point of this discussion if you aren't?
Let's see...
Guess not.
I understand you said he can't win with just his supporters - you also said he's losing those supporters. Putting aside the fact that people voting for him are definitionally supporters, you understand that those 2 statements clearly imply that there's no need to vote for Harris, right?
My point is that you're all over the place with your talking points - there doesn't seem to be any way to thread them together.
I did not say he was losing supporters.
This is what I said:
I have no idea why you're lying when the comment chain is right there.
Who is the "they" if not people that would vote for Trump, and what do you mean by "shaved off" if you don't mean they won't be voting for him?
This is the third time. What part of this is unclear to you?
Those are not his supporters. There's a difference between voting for someone and supporting them. I didn't support either Clinton or Biden. I voted for them because they weren't Trump.
Would it be fair to rephrase that as the people you've said he needs are abandoning him? What does that suggest about the need for people that oppose Trump to vote?
I don't know how you think lining up to vote for the head of the Republican party isn't supporting both the party and the head of the party, but that nonsensical position is beside the point.
No, it wouldn't be fair to change my words. But I can see why you would want to rather than acknowledge you didn't understand what I was saying.
I mean, the last time he did they were obviously false. He'll just do the same this time. No way he doesn't take meds for cholesterol, heart disease, or any of the other conditions that are extremely common with his age and diet.
Yeah, can’t wait to see what STDs the orange man has.
You even heard of Pokémon?
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The Harris campaign just released this in response to his visit to Detroit. It's awesome.
https://youtu.be/BPgQp2VuZwQ?si=aQC1bWufO53ER49B
Nice. They released a video of Trump trying to back out of the debate with her with clucking chicken noises. And suddenly he agreed to the debate. And then he was trolled during the debate and went nuts. And people here say trolling him has no effect.
Same link without tracker:
https://youtu.be/BPgQp2VuZwQ
It's funny because the idea we should have to release our medical info for any reason is pure ableism.
Just like felons should be allowed to vote and run for office.
Integrity means having consistent values, even if it may benefit someone you dislike.
You can't shame Donald Trump. It never works. The fact that the Harris campaign doesn't get this yet is a little disturbing.
You can't shame him, but you sure as hell can troll him. Did you not see the debate?
Who care...
Me care. Me think funny. Me go ha ha is funny trolling.
Him guy above me care an laff
So shall I too, release a most heartily and boisterous utterance of pleasurable humorous enjoyment.
I only care trolling how many I get downvote from dumbass. 🤣