Israel May Kill Every Palestinian Left in North Gaza, UN Official Warns

It took us a 100 years to officially recognize the Armenian Genocide.

They would start to "seriously consider the possibility that perhaps something was not right"

They would still call it Hamas

Of course not, because they are complicit

Probably not for a few decades at least. It's only when today's college aged people take power that it'll get labeled as such. And even then, it's not a guarantee.

Most probably suspect it's genocide and know they, by not speaking out, at least support it passively. But it just doesn't matter for their immediate or the near future, so nothing will happen. Thoughts and prayers...

I see two main culprits that enable Israel to eradicate the Palestinian people and their livelihood in manner and speed we see now. The US and germany. Many other western political elites seem far more divided on the topic but probably fear the backlash of speaking out.

70% of the weapons come from the US and they will never stop to supply their FOB. Democrats or republicans will veto everything and make it as hard as possible to even reach a clear global verdict on what happened and how to classify it.

Most of the remaining 30% come from germany.

Here the key argument is that Israel is worthy of unwavering support due to the historical fact of the holocaust and the inhumane acts inflicted on the Jewish population.

Scholz said recently that the security of Israel is a National interest of germany. As a german I feel this too, although for me the state of Israel and the global jewish population we did unspeakable crimes to are not necessarily the same. There are lines that can be crossed that limit my willingness of support. It's not unconditional and they crossed them. Israel crossed them, not the jews.

I also feel past and present crimes the jewish people had to endure can be used to understand why Israel is acting the way it does but it can't be a justification of their barbaric way of waging this war against Hamas.

In short, nothing will change. Sorry for the long reply, this shit really grinds my gears.

They’ll move those goalposts. “We killed everyone in Gaza by having them starve to death but we spared West Bank!”

“We didn’t massacre the Arabs who have Israeli citizenship!”

“We just deported every Arab from Israel and all territory we control, but we didn’t kill them!”

This is so disgusting. I never wanted to visit Israel even if it was for $free, but now I have even less respect for those Zionist assholes, and I had low respect for them before.

The colonization power couldn't say the word ceasefire. I don't think the can say the word genocide.

And no political consequences.

In fact it’s anti-Semitic to investigate or charge these war crimes.

You forgot a 'not' in there --- German government

that is your fantasy.

For this reason there is the “it’s antisemitic to criticise this war”

Heck even Jews have been accused to be antisemitic for criticising Israel.

We live in a post-facts era

They are not trying to conceal much anymore

That's being charitable. They've completely fabricated a statement and attributed it to Msuya. No wonder their "fact check" score is so low.

This is what I always say about Russia vs Israel.

Russia gives Ukrainians Russian citizenship and resettles them away from warzone with all the social security preserved.

Israel just wants to murder all Palestinians.

How can some people even see conflicts as the same category? Israel is doing straight genocide again stone age level opponents.

What would he do?

That's not true, that's only a narrative used by Israel to justify it's history of ethnic cleansing, and now a year of genocide. Zionism is not Judaism. Nor are Muslims antisemitic, which is an incredibly racist sentiment. Ethnic Cleansing has always been fundamental of Zionism and is the root of the conflict.

::: spoiler Origins of Zionism

Zionism is a settler colonialism project that was able to really start with the support of British Imperialism. Zionism as a political movement started with Theodore Herzl in the 1880s as a 'modern' way to 'solve' the 'Jewish Question' of Europe.

Since at least the 1860's, Europe was increasingly antisemitic and hostile to Jewish people. Zionism was explicitly a Setter Colonialist movement and the native Palestinians were not considered People but Savages by the Europeans. While Zionist Colonization began before it, the Balfor Declaration is when Britain gave it's backing of the movement in order to 'solve' the 'Jewish Question' while also creating a Colony in the newly conquered Middle East after WWI in order to exhibit military force in the region and extract natural resources.

That's when Zionist immigration started to pick up, out of necessity for most as Europe became more hostile and antisemitic. That continued into and during WWII, European countries and even the US refused to expand immigration quotas for Jewish people seeking asylum. The idea that the creation of Israel is a reparation for Jewish people is an after-the-fact justification. While most Jewish immigrants had no choice and just wanted a place to live in peace, it was the Zionist Leadership that developed and implemented the forced transfer, ethnic cleansing, of the native population, Palestinians. Without any Occupation, Apartheid, and ethnic cleansing, there would not be any Palestinian resistance to it.

Herzl himself explicitly considered Zionism a Settler Colonialist project, Setter Colonialism is always violent. The difficulty in creating a democratic Jewish state in an area inhabited by people who are not Jewish, is that enough Palestinian people need to be 'Transferred' to have a demographic majority that is Jewish. Ben-Gurion explicitly rejected Secular Bi-national state solutions in favor of partition.

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Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.

The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.

An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.

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• Page 8, The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948

::: spoiler Settlements, Occupation, and Apartheid

Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.

This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.

• The Transfer Committee, and the JNF Ethnic Cleansing, which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate before the Nakba

The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:

• Plan Dalet
• Declassified Massacres of 1948
• Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948) .

Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:

• Haaretz, Forward

While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements

• (Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ).

The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.

The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.

• https://m.btselem.org/settler_violence

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::: spoiler Apartheid Evidence

Amnesty Report

Human Rights Watch Report

B'TSelem Report with quick Explainer

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::: spoiler Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing

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::: spoiler Peace Process and Solution

Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

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::: spoiler Historian Works on the History

• Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha

• The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha

• A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe

• The Hundred Years' War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi

• The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe

• The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim

• The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe

• The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy

• 10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)

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Israel chose this. They can move any time.

How so? The original quote says the same thing, only in the passive voice.

Given what I've seen you moderate in news on Lemmy.world, I wouldn't be so quick to accuse others of letting their biases impact how they treat things that go against their world view.