Websites telling me what I can do with my own browser so they can have their pointless cookies
It's not even "Incognito" (what a misnomer too), this is a Gecko-based browser
It's not even "Incognito" (what a misnomer too), this is a Gecko-based browser
I feel like for straw poll it's more valid, they probably do it to try and avoid people voting more than once.
A bit yes, but any technique like that can be used to fingerprint and deanonymize users.
Yes, but that's the only way you can trust electronic voting, by removing anonymity
"One vote per IP-address" - So they already tackled the problem that people can vote more then once.
Straight-up asshole design.
Exactly what I think. They also block VPNs and such.
I mean, of all sites, polls make the most sense to require cookies to avoid duplicate votes.
Wouldn't the better solution be to keep a log of previous client IPs, on the server side? Sure, VPN will circumvent it, but it's much easier for me to clear a cookie 100 times then to connect to 100 different VPNs.
The EU has made logging IP addresses generally illegal.
IPs rotate too often and it would only allow 1 vote per modem.
Except that it is really easy to clear cookies
Not if you don't know what cookies even are. Stops the regular Joe just fine
All it takes to swing a poll by 8,000 votes is one person that knows how to clear cookies. It’s not even about stopping regular joes.
*one person who knows how to clear cookies…and has WAY too much time on his hands.
50 votes in a browser would take an hour, but 5,000,000 votes in a browser’s dev tools would take an hour and fifteen minutes; it’s the kind of thing people can write a bit of code to do for them. (I’m a web dev, this doesn’t sound like a challenge to me if there’s no security)
Cookies are really inappropriate for this use..
You need to track the user for a poll. Sessions don't work since private browsing enables duplicate votes. Tracking the IP can block users from the same network/wifi. Cookies get auto-sent and browser storage is only clientside. Really not many more options aside from making an account on a site and logging in. I find it a pretty reasonable solution actually.
Cookies fall short just the same as sessions. you're asking the user to pinkie promise they won't clear their cookies / modify them.
An account seems the most logical. You need to avoid duplicates ; it's not really about privacy here. You'll only make a tradeoff between accomplishing no duplicates and letting users do what they want.
It could be useful to prevent accidental duplicate votes. But definitely not sufficient for malicious actors.
Cookies are not evil per se... but data mining companies made them like that.
I'm administrating an online store and cookies are responsible for the customer's cart, plus their user session / logged in state.
As an admin I adhere to the "golden rule", thus there are no creepy trackers on store. I don't like them and I don't want customers to face the same thing on websites that I manage.
That said, cookies are needed for user session & fraud protection. Instead of nuking cookies we shall kick the trackers out.
That's when I stop giving them traffic. There's far too many alternatives to do otherwise.
Enter.
"NOPE"
clicks back
And proceed to chose next search result.
It's not pointless, it's so they can track you.
It's crazy how many people think "incognito mode" prevents people from seeing what websites they are visiting.
yeah, it's for buying secret Christmas presents for your wife
They aren't a secret if she knows how to access the router's control panel.
Why would anyone regularly access a routers control panel just to ruin the surprise of Christmas presents?
No idea, but she could. I would use public wifi and a private window for it, just to be sure.
Is there so little trust in your relationship that you feel the need to go to such extreme lengths to make them happy?
a router is not gonna be able to see your purchases
They can see what you visited though
Wouldn't DoH fix that?
No clue what DoH is supposed to be, but that’s probably on me.
There's an extension that allows you to hide incognito mode from websites called Hide Private Mode I'm not sure why browsers don't do this by default (maybe it's some funny compliance thing) it would greatly improve privacy.
Thx. It's weird, but I guess that's now part of Firefox now, to be hypocrites.
Also why the heck does the browser need to ping Google every time I launch a private session? I can't even fathom a reasonable answer.
Any websites that doesn't just work with a simple ad blocker or still has ads I just close and never return.
"Oops! Looks like you're using an adblocker! Please pay a subscription!"
Oops looks like I'm gonna check the comments for someone who pasted your article for free!
Just don't complain when people no longer write good articles because there's no money in it
Adblockers are borne of intrusive ads. If they were sidebar things like they used to be I'd be much less inclined to use one and just let them collect their ad revenue. Nowadays though there's gotta be a video, a video embedded at the top, a pop-up ad, a break in an article every 10 lines of text for an ad, and then a delayed popup for when you get halfway down the page, PLUS the sidebar and banner ads.
Exactly, sidebar and banner are fine. If that's all I see I'll let it slide. The ones that make you stop reading to chase down the little black "x" on a pop up or separate the text with a wall of ad, fuck that shit.
You can install the Ghostery add-on on Firefox mobile to prevent cookies and trackers.
Sites like this I just close the tab and use uBlacklist to hide them from any search results.
It kind of makes sense for strawpoll, because without some sort of cookies, they wouldn't know if the same person is voting multiple times. But they should say something like 'incognito mode makes the votes inaccurate, please visit on normal mode'
They already have your IP. "Incognito" mode doesn't change that.
That does have the consequence of allowing only one person to vote per public IP, which on large networks may correspond to quite a lot of users.
That probably doesn't matter much for a simple internet straw poll, but I can imagine situations where IP-based uniqueness isn't reliable enough.
Honestly people should just set there browser to clear cookies on close
Can't say I like logging into all of my accounts (most of which gave 2FA as well) 3 times a day
It would be nice if you could whitelist sites for cookies. That way you can stay logged into things like email.
You can, on firefox at least. No add ons required it's a browser feature.
When I go to a site, and they do it, I avoid it at all the costs or never come back!
Let Mozilla know by filing a report on Webcompat.
I'll look into that. I believe web sites shouldn't have any way to detect private mode, right?
I wonder if it tries to save a cookie then read it back? I don't really know how any of this works but that sounds like a way to detect it that's fairly infallible.
Writing a cookie and reading it back should work just fine even in incognito mode. It just gets deleted once incognito is closed.
Is that Firefox Focus? Because if yes, them that counts as "incognito mode" too.
It's IceRaven, but I have it set to permanent private mode. I dont need to deal with cookies of every shitty site.
It just how internet works, dude. Most of the sites can't work without cookies at all.
We need to be teaching sites that working that way is unacceptable, not accepting it.
This is the way
Well maybe some need cookies internally, that doesn't mean I need to be storing them permanently. Most web sites are so full of scripts and bullshit that it's infinitely much easier to disable all the nonsense and run in permanent private mode.
When is the world going to admit that by and large, internet advertising is garbage and doesn't work? People are far more likely to buy whatever random crap sponsor is on their fav youtuber's videos than anything from "targeted advertising".
If it didn't work, do you really think "profit at all costs" businesses would be spending millions of dollars to do it?
Companies have the data for how much Internet advertising works.
That's why they keep buying ads.
The website has the right to choose when you can use it unfortunately. If you don't like the decision, don't use it. Or you could just use a content blocker if the cookies are the issue.
It's not their business to know or dictate how to use my browser. It's like they were telling me I can only browse their site while wearing pink socks or something.