... wtf is going on over there... What kind of douchebags did you guys elect? I mean, I'm American, I know I can't throw stones here, but y'alls were better than that. You like, wisely stood against our 9/11 invasion and we probably should've listened.
But, wtf?
btw, if anyone was too lazy to dig, this publication is a nigerian newspaper that actually seems legit. Founded in 2020, so pretty new still. Looking at their front page they mostly just do local reporting. Has had run-ins with local power.
We elected him as the "last rempart to the extreme right". Turns out he and his cronies are corrupted authoritarian fucks. Their shit social and economic policies are opening a highway to the actual far right in the near future, most likely 2027.
Lmao bait and switch
More like shitty electoral system that facilitates the choice of a lesser evil instead of the choice for the best candidate.
Sounds like the United States.
They have proportional representation and a ton of parties. It's a completely different kind of suck. Although I guess they also are presidential.
Definitely less worse but still shitty indeed
So what would be a good system? FPTP also sucks, or at least does for local minority voters like me, or if both parties become weak for whatever reason like in the US.
Maybe ranked choice voting, coupled with a parliamentary system instead of a presidential one ? I don't think there is a perfect system but it would probably move things around in a better direction.
That's what the Australia does. Also note that says nothing about proportionality either way.
Sinemaed.
You know that America just... does this, right? No bill, no law... In fact it was the first to do this at all. It's why in crime shows they remove the battery (from phone where you still can, of course.)
No, the "Patriot" Act did authorize stuff like this in the US. There was also the "Freedom" Act, and generally this is all FISA stuff that has very low standards for what's allowed.
It is not legal for police to spy on citizens via their phone cameras in the US…
Police, no. Homeland security? crickets
Still no. Do they do it anyway? Probably, but that doesn't make it legal.
If I do something, people find out about it, and I don’t get arrested, it’s defacto legal
The movie citizen four did an excellent job detailing different ways a government (in this case the united states) can do this.
It would require a warrant signed by a judge with probable cause.
Wiretap warrants aren't easy.
It will be like that in France as well. But once they have the tools, there will be abuse.
I mean, I’m American, I know I can’t throw stones here
Right? I'm wary of chastising any first world country at the moment. The past 7 years in particular have been especially WTF
Wouldn't this breach multiple EU privacy laws?
This is what I'm wondering.
I don't think it does, as the GDPR does not protect 'criminals' or against the police using your data.
There are exceptions for law enforcement/intelligence in GDPR. Those are particularly broad in the UK data protection act for example.
This will definitely not be misused by anyone in the government. How on the earth did such blatantly dystopian law get passed?
Macron is a NATO puppet.
Yes let's just say buzzwords without context or reason, makes perfect sense.
Except that not really, France could easily have another revolution when things like this happen. NATO doesn't want any revolutions because the workers would have more power, they want corporation to hold power and wealth, as they can be controlled and sanctioned more easily.
How to make your country burn faster 101
It’s almost like Macron wants to be decapitated.
While people in the west have been smugly pointing fingers at China, their own governments did everything they've been denouncing in China and worse. Congratulations.
1984 - George Orwell tried to warn us.
This is bad, but that's such an overused comparison. It can even be counterproductive because the Oceania from the books is so obviously different from the real world.
I’m talking about the wall in their rooms though that they can use to listen in when they want, you have no private conversations.
The article does not mention, how will this be achieved technology wise? I don't know of any universal way that a government might activate these features on a person's phone. Unless network operators/phone manufacturers start installing backdoors. This does not bode well.
Cell carriers can already push apps to your device.
I assume/hope this isn't true if you bought the phone outside a contract?
If you have a cell plan, they can push to your SIM.
Ohhh my sweet summer child. Who is it that is making those phones?
Let me tell you, it's Google.
The US has exported it's police brutality and police state to France. They even have the similar right wing news apperatice to convince the populace it's all good. Making Uncle Sam proud 🇺🇸🇫🇷🍟🥖
Not every bad thing people do is the fault of the US.
The French can be proper assholes. Look up the history of Haiti and which European colonies purchased the most African slaves.
Then ask. Where did all they go?
France has been burning itself to the ground longer than the US has even been a thing.
Recently the French police seem to be worse.
The Patriot Act took care of that for us in the US!
I am Indian. Even our douche bag of politicians will think twice before passing such legislation. Of course they will spy illegally on us but they won't pass such obvious fascist legislation.
Do they like, want the protests to continue on our something? They can't be that stupid.
The protests are for police brutality against Minorities. Apparently the shot 17 years old kid was repeatedly hit with back of the gun which made him moves his leg away from the breaks and since it's an automatic the car started moving forward...the rest is history.
...hold my sancerre!
-- Emmanuel Macron, probably
A Google search for "France phone camera" only gives this posted link and dailymail.co.uk article, both of which are not really trustworthy sources, IMO.
So I'm gonna go with "this is very possibly fake news".
At least it's happening out in the open? Other states do this without parlimentary or congressional approval.
Privacy and anonymity is illusion.
France always was a weird country
I see this going very poorly very quickly. I don't know how much longer we're going to have a France after this, but I'm interested in seeing how this unfolds.
... wtf is going on over there... What kind of douchebags did you guys elect? I mean, I'm American, I know I can't throw stones here, but y'alls were better than that. You like, wisely stood against our 9/11 invasion and we probably should've listened.
But, wtf?
btw, if anyone was too lazy to dig, this publication is a nigerian newspaper that actually seems legit. Founded in 2020, so pretty new still. Looking at their front page they mostly just do local reporting. Has had run-ins with local power.
We elected him as the "last rempart to the extreme right". Turns out he and his cronies are corrupted authoritarian fucks. Their shit social and economic policies are opening a highway to the actual far right in the near future, most likely 2027.
Lmao bait and switch
More like shitty electoral system that facilitates the choice of a lesser evil instead of the choice for the best candidate.
Sounds like the United States.
They have proportional representation and a ton of parties. It's a completely different kind of suck. Although I guess they also are presidential.
Definitely less worse but still shitty indeed
So what would be a good system? FPTP also sucks, or at least does for local minority voters like me, or if both parties become weak for whatever reason like in the US.
Maybe ranked choice voting, coupled with a parliamentary system instead of a presidential one ? I don't think there is a perfect system but it would probably move things around in a better direction.
That's what the Australia does. Also note that says nothing about proportionality either way.
Sinemaed.
You know that America just... does this, right? No bill, no law... In fact it was the first to do this at all. It's why in crime shows they remove the battery (from phone where you still can, of course.)
No, the "Patriot" Act did authorize stuff like this in the US. There was also the "Freedom" Act, and generally this is all FISA stuff that has very low standards for what's allowed.
It is not legal for police to spy on citizens via their phone cameras in the US…
Police, no. Homeland security? crickets
Still no. Do they do it anyway? Probably, but that doesn't make it legal.
If I do something, people find out about it, and I don’t get arrested, it’s defacto legal
The movie citizen four did an excellent job detailing different ways a government (in this case the united states) can do this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenfour
It would require a warrant signed by a judge with probable cause.
Wiretap warrants aren't easy.
It will be like that in France as well. But once they have the tools, there will be abuse.
Right? I'm wary of chastising any first world country at the moment. The past 7 years in particular have been especially WTF
Wouldn't this breach multiple EU privacy laws?
This is what I'm wondering.
I don't think it does, as the GDPR does not protect 'criminals' or against the police using your data.
There are exceptions for law enforcement/intelligence in GDPR. Those are particularly broad in the UK data protection act for example.
This will definitely not be misused by anyone in the government. How on the earth did such blatantly dystopian law get passed?
Macron is a NATO puppet.
Yes let's just say buzzwords without context or reason, makes perfect sense.
Except that not really, France could easily have another revolution when things like this happen. NATO doesn't want any revolutions because the workers would have more power, they want corporation to hold power and wealth, as they can be controlled and sanctioned more easily.
How to make your country burn faster 101
It’s almost like Macron wants to be decapitated.
While people in the west have been smugly pointing fingers at China, their own governments did everything they've been denouncing in China and worse. Congratulations.
1984 - George Orwell tried to warn us.
This is bad, but that's such an overused comparison. It can even be counterproductive because the Oceania from the books is so obviously different from the real world.
I’m talking about the wall in their rooms though that they can use to listen in when they want, you have no private conversations.
The article does not mention, how will this be achieved technology wise? I don't know of any universal way that a government might activate these features on a person's phone. Unless network operators/phone manufacturers start installing backdoors. This does not bode well.
Cell carriers can already push apps to your device.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthickey/2014/12/01/carriers-can-now-install-apps-on-android-handsets-without-customers-permission/?sh=2f169ccc5dde
I assume/hope this isn't true if you bought the phone outside a contract?
If you have a cell plan, they can push to your SIM.
Ohhh my sweet summer child. Who is it that is making those phones?
Let me tell you, it's Google.
The US has exported it's police brutality and police state to France. They even have the similar right wing news apperatice to convince the populace it's all good. Making Uncle Sam proud 🇺🇸🇫🇷🍟🥖
Not every bad thing people do is the fault of the US.
The French can be proper assholes. Look up the history of Haiti and which European colonies purchased the most African slaves.
Then ask. Where did all they go?
France has been burning itself to the ground longer than the US has even been a thing.
Recently the French police seem to be worse.
The Patriot Act took care of that for us in the US!
I am Indian. Even our douche bag of politicians will think twice before passing such legislation. Of course they will spy illegally on us but they won't pass such obvious fascist legislation.
Do they like, want the protests to continue on our something? They can't be that stupid.
The protests are for police brutality against Minorities. Apparently the shot 17 years old kid was repeatedly hit with back of the gun which made him moves his leg away from the breaks and since it's an automatic the car started moving forward...the rest is history.
-- Emmanuel Macron, probably
A Google search for "France phone camera" only gives this posted link and dailymail.co.uk article, both of which are not really trustworthy sources, IMO.
So I'm gonna go with "this is very possibly fake news".
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2023/07/06/france-set-to-allow-police-to-spy-through-phones_6044269_7.html
LIberté,Egalité,Fraternité.At least it's happening out in the open? Other states do this without parlimentary or congressional approval.
Privacy and anonymity is illusion.
France always was a weird country
I see this going very poorly very quickly. I don't know how much longer we're going to have a France after this, but I'm interested in seeing how this unfolds.
Is this a legitimate source of news?
It’s based on a syndicated news release from Agence France Presse. Here’s a direct transcription of the article from AFP: https://www.barrons.com/news/france-set-to-allow-police-to-spy-through-phones-b21f1f21
that'd be the point I'd forgo smartphones entirely
French police about to see a whole lotta dick pics.
Fancy French purses are about to take a new direction! Styles range from Étouffé (muffled) to Le Faraday (electromagnetic shielding).
Ugh.
I guess NATO stopped pretending they care about free speech and democracy?