i really don't want anything that further obfuscates the experience of me typing in a word and it showing me pages with that word. and i don't know why i'd want to type a full ass sentence in natural english versus just keywords
You don't type questions into search engines? I've been doing that for well over a decade and it helps find others asking the same thing.
I find that I have to do that now, because it seems the internet has been geared towards people that think you have to ask the computer a question instead of searching for key words like how it used to work.
I find it more difficult now because often the search results are what the search engine thinks I want, instead of what I actually asked for.
it seems the internet has been geared towards people that think you have to ask the computer a question instead of searching for key words like how it used to work.
I mean, this is what we see/read in sci-fi series and movies at least since the 60's.
And I prefer it the other way.
They’ve probably got enough machine learning to take keywords and figure out intent. That’s essentially what Google does with autocomplete. They (Google) use n-grams. So I expect OpenAI already has this all figured out.
Source: am in SEO
What worries me is AI getting things wrong and perpetuating lies that are also made up via AI (maybe even the same AI). Also, how will their algorithm work? Do they fact check things they display? I hate Google, but at least they do have somewhat of a push to ensure authority and trust via their algos.
What would open AI offer that Google aren't doing? I feel like they keep fixing something that wasn't broken and now they can't go back to the old good search engine.
Well, they could potentially pull from various sources to make a cohesive answer. Right now Google’s SGE (search generative experience, their AI in organic search) pulls one source to answer and then offers some other links that also answer the same question.
I completely agree with you though. Shit is getting worse for no reason other than $$$$$$$
Hopefully new competitors on the market will all have to try their best before they start being shitty.
Begun, the AI wars have.
Info enshittification can mean only one thing: full scale invasion. Apparently
Sticking with duck duck go. Not seeing advertising, news or video recommendations based on a one time search in Google is bliss.
But duck duck go has ads... They are just as search results. My Pihole will actively block access to those links because they are promoted content. They also have a little “ad” tag alongside the post.
i try từ use it but there's a bunch of shit I can't find and I have to switch to Google
So all the AI enshittification of Google results was just 4D chess all along!
Wym?
Open ai is "owned" by Microsoft so no, google are just shooting themselves in the foot with shitty search results
It'll herd users to the new product. It's like when reddit enshittified its mobile web page to move folks to its app. Both reddit; but they shot themselves in one foot to shift weight over to the other foot.
Are you saying Google is herding their users to the new product of their competitors? I honestly don't understand what point you're trying to make here.
I think the point they're trying to make here is they don't like reddit's app
Well no... but also yes!
Sorry, initial post was meant to be more cheeky than anything else: Basically saying AI folks like OpenAI have seriously damaged the quality of Google's search results, and in doing so established demand for a new search option... and now they're announcing a competitor to Google.
One foot (google) was shot to shift traffic over to the other (whatever this new shit is). Wasn't meant to imply Google is in on it... the reddit analogy might just be muddying the waters, but the analogy was reddit as a company to search engines as a category.
Top execs got fat off firing people and offshoring while new marker participant obtained what appears to a lead in their core business lol
Let's see how this plays out.
Hmm.
Interesting idea. I mean, if you are a corporate competitor, why not? Especially if you injected the static into the blood stream.
I am honestly a little confused, what are they trying to bring to the table that isn't covered by Bing Chat AI already?
Having weird duplicate products is not unusual at Microsoft. It probably would have been better for everyone, including shareholders, if they’d been broken up or spun off divisions as they grew.
If they had spun off Windows and Office into independent companies, Windows would have made a competing office suite and Office would have made a competing OS
If it is just a repackaging of ChatGPT's existing "search the web" function, I don't know why they'd bother. It can at best summarize a page of search results for a very literal-minded query, and even then it's often lobotomized by the fact that OpenAI has made it easy for a large number of top websites to opt out of having their pages accessible to their search crawler, which means you're only getting a summary of the search result snippet and metadata. A competent user of Google search can run rings around it in terms of research, even with Google's decline in quality. I guess it makes it faster to answer basic queries for recent information not in the training data, but that hardly seems worthy of a big event.
Just what I need, another useless search engine.
Correction: An even more useless search engine.
How do we know that its useless? Is there a beta link you guys are trying?
I've noticed that anything even remotely related to AI gets shit on immediately here on Lemmy. To the point where people will try to claim it's bad at things that people who use it daily know it's decent to very good at.
The users here want very much for LLMs to not be good because they see it as stealing creativity from people and sold back to them and it makes them feel better to try to believe the product isn't good.
That said, I'd prefer to keep my search engine and LLM tools separate.
Very optimistic
Is this going to be the mule produced by breeding OpenAI with the Bing team?
I can hear it braying from way down the road, dropping steaming loads of marketing as it comes to stink up the place kicking children in their teeth, all while making billions from it in the process. Heee hawwww .
If it's using AI then it'll suck just as much as friggin Google.
They need to focus back on the base product instead of adding more features. It has been over 1 year and chatgpt using gpt4 is still crippled to the point of being useless.
The last thing I want is a search engine that works 10 times then tells me to come back in 4 hours to resume searching...
So, they're announcing that they're going to announce something?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
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The original article contains 3 words, the summary contains 3 words. Saved 0%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!
Beautiful
Right to the point, good summary mate!
The future is AI.
The irony here is palpable
Bad bot
Ok but this is hilarious lol
I thought it was a really good representation of the OpenAI search engine.
Good bot
I guess it's better than .... "On your knees meatbag"
Did the bot read a pay wall or is it an accurate summary?
lol
i really don't want anything that further obfuscates the experience of me typing in a word and it showing me pages with that word. and i don't know why i'd want to type a full ass sentence in natural english versus just keywords
You don't type questions into search engines? I've been doing that for well over a decade and it helps find others asking the same thing.
I find that I have to do that now, because it seems the internet has been geared towards people that think you have to ask the computer a question instead of searching for key words like how it used to work.
I find it more difficult now because often the search results are what the search engine thinks I want, instead of what I actually asked for.
I mean, this is what we see/read in sci-fi series and movies at least since the 60's.
And I prefer it the other way.
They’ve probably got enough machine learning to take keywords and figure out intent. That’s essentially what Google does with autocomplete. They (Google) use n-grams. So I expect OpenAI already has this all figured out.
Source: am in SEO
What worries me is AI getting things wrong and perpetuating lies that are also made up via AI (maybe even the same AI). Also, how will their algorithm work? Do they fact check things they display? I hate Google, but at least they do have somewhat of a push to ensure authority and trust via their algos.
What would open AI offer that Google aren't doing? I feel like they keep fixing something that wasn't broken and now they can't go back to the old good search engine.
Well, they could potentially pull from various sources to make a cohesive answer. Right now Google’s SGE (search generative experience, their AI in organic search) pulls one source to answer and then offers some other links that also answer the same question.
I completely agree with you though. Shit is getting worse for no reason other than $$$$$$$
Hopefully new competitors on the market will all have to try their best before they start being shitty.
Begun, the AI wars have.
Info enshittification can mean only one thing: full scale invasion. Apparently
Sticking with duck duck go. Not seeing advertising, news or video recommendations based on a one time search in Google is bliss.
But duck duck go has ads... They are just as search results. My Pihole will actively block access to those links because they are promoted content. They also have a little “ad” tag alongside the post.
i try từ use it but there's a bunch of shit I can't find and I have to switch to Google
So all the AI enshittification of Google results was just 4D chess all along!
Wym?
Open ai is "owned" by Microsoft so no, google are just shooting themselves in the foot with shitty search results
It'll herd users to the new product. It's like when reddit enshittified its mobile web page to move folks to its app. Both reddit; but they shot themselves in one foot to shift weight over to the other foot.
Are you saying Google is herding their users to the new product of their competitors? I honestly don't understand what point you're trying to make here.
I think the point they're trying to make here is they don't like reddit's app
Well no... but also yes!
Sorry, initial post was meant to be more cheeky than anything else: Basically saying AI folks like OpenAI have seriously damaged the quality of Google's search results, and in doing so established demand for a new search option... and now they're announcing a competitor to Google.
One foot (google) was shot to shift traffic over to the other (whatever this new shit is). Wasn't meant to imply Google is in on it... the reddit analogy might just be muddying the waters, but the analogy was reddit as a company to search engines as a category.
Top execs got fat off firing people and offshoring while new marker participant obtained what appears to a lead in their core business lol
Let's see how this plays out.
Hmm.
Interesting idea. I mean, if you are a corporate competitor, why not? Especially if you injected the static into the blood stream.
I am honestly a little confused, what are they trying to bring to the table that isn't covered by Bing Chat AI already?
Having weird duplicate products is not unusual at Microsoft. It probably would have been better for everyone, including shareholders, if they’d been broken up or spun off divisions as they grew.
If they had spun off Windows and Office into independent companies, Windows would have made a competing office suite and Office would have made a competing OS
If it is just a repackaging of ChatGPT's existing "search the web" function, I don't know why they'd bother. It can at best summarize a page of search results for a very literal-minded query, and even then it's often lobotomized by the fact that OpenAI has made it easy for a large number of top websites to opt out of having their pages accessible to their search crawler, which means you're only getting a summary of the search result snippet and metadata. A competent user of Google search can run rings around it in terms of research, even with Google's decline in quality. I guess it makes it faster to answer basic queries for recent information not in the training data, but that hardly seems worthy of a big event.
Just what I need, another useless search engine.
Correction: An even more useless search engine.
How do we know that its useless? Is there a beta link you guys are trying?
I've noticed that anything even remotely related to AI gets shit on immediately here on Lemmy. To the point where people will try to claim it's bad at things that people who use it daily know it's decent to very good at.
The users here want very much for LLMs to not be good because they see it as stealing creativity from people and sold back to them and it makes them feel better to try to believe the product isn't good.
That said, I'd prefer to keep my search engine and LLM tools separate.
Very optimistic
Is this going to be the mule produced by breeding OpenAI with the Bing team?
I can hear it braying from way down the road, dropping steaming loads of marketing as it comes to stink up the place kicking children in their teeth, all while making billions from it in the process. Heee hawwww .
If it's using AI then it'll suck just as much as friggin Google.
They need to focus back on the base product instead of adding more features. It has been over 1 year and chatgpt using gpt4 is still crippled to the point of being useless.
The last thing I want is a search engine that works 10 times then tells me to come back in 4 hours to resume searching...
So, they're announcing that they're going to announce something?