Ah my bad, in Europe we don't see many of these cars. How would you call it? A truck?
of course the one person in europe who owns a pickup would park it on the sidewalk
Speaking as a Dutch person, our infrastructure just isn't made for cars this size. People basically need to enlarge their driveways to park something like this. So if you need to park a car like this it's almost impossible. That would stop most people from getting one, except the type of person that does buy one...
I mean, US infrastructure isn’t made for these beasts either.
I hate to say it, but that looks like a pretty small truck.
Source: I'm Texan but don't hold it against me.
Seems to be what those in most of the US would call a standard size pickup truck. Not “compact” like a Hilux/Tacoma, nor comically oversized like the oft-lifted 3/4 or full-ton trucks.
Hang on a sec a Hilux is considered a compact truck in America? That's a big old car where I'm from...
Yup, it would be considered a compact like the Toyota Tacoma, Chevrolet Colorado, ect
Looks like a Ram 1500, so not a small small truck like a Tacoma or ranger. It’s a decent sized truck, just got the short box 5’-8”.
I still don't understand what the point of a short box is. You can fit a decent amount of materials in it but why not just go for a full size box. Go figure.
I’ve got one, I can still haul anything 12’ and under legally with with tailgate up/down and flagged. And it gives me enough room to haul my kids around in the backseat.
A full size bed can’t have a crew cab, and any combination over that won’t fit in a 20’ garage, so you would need a non-standard “deeper” garage.
They fit a niche, just like most things. It’s not meant for everyone.
Saw another post on here about how ridiculously oversized the Ranger parked next to them was. Had to laugh as an American, can't even imagine how some of the 3500 brodozers you see here would look on a European street
It is in Texas. I have a pretty small car, and when I lived in California, I was constantly barely able to fit in parking spaces. In Texas, the parking spaces are huge to fit the trucks. It's so nice.
Fit the trucks and the people.
Yes it is, to say it isn't is just a lie, even if only one due to being under informed. To put it like this, talking about big rigs, 18 wheelers, or whatever you would like to call them, here in the US you mainly see "long nose" (American) styles, although yes you do still see "flat nose" or "cab over" designs, they are the European style, as the roads in Europe tend to be smaller than here in American, mainly due to some of those roads being much older than the USA is.
They don't fit on Northeastern American roads either. Why they get manufactured and purchased as often as they do is beyond me.
You’re not ready for the F-350 with extended bed then
I'm in the U.S., and this a problem here. Part of it is financial -- auto makers found a market for morons who will finance a $50,000 truck they have no need for.
And they drive like they are invincible. Last week I (Mazda3) almost got crushed by two of these road monstrosities. After taking evasive action to a avoid a head on collision, I got tailgated by another idiot who very nearly rear ended me.
This is also a rural area with no street lights, and a lot of these trucks are designed with a second set of headlights that blind you.
US trucks are ridiculously oversized and typically never see any actual "truck" usage. They're also insanely expensive and are often redneck status symbols. As an American, I'm sorry they have infested your continent.
Source: I live in a yeehaw state where people own $70,000 trucks while living in a $7,000 hovel.
I like the more generic "All Hat", as in "all hat, no cowboy" because it not only captures the vehicle, but the owner too.
Ass hat also suffices.
I thought the expression was "All hat and no cattle." Now I gotta go look it up.
both work, not sure if there's a real historical significance to using one over the other.
in my opinion, "all hat, no cattle" has stronger assonance, and flows better as a phrase. especially with a slight southern USA accent, it has a satisfying cadence
We luckily rarely see them here. I saw one once (could have been a nissan? It was so big it was taller than me and I'm 6 foot..).. the owner had attempted to park it in a local car park, it took up two bays and still stuck out into the road. I felt sorry for them.. just nowhere to put something like that.. how the hell they managed to manoeuvre it in and out of the car park I have no idea..
Emotional Support Vehicle
Yes that’s a pickup truck.
An abomination against god?
It's a pickup truck. And probably not used for anything a truck would be used for. They're everywhere in America and just as annoying.
I personally don't see the point in having a vehicle this big unless it's used for work (hauling materials and towing trailers) And 95% of the time, it's not.
I wish the small commuter truck would come back but it's a fools dream
I want Aussies to invade and force their utes on us. Basically still fill the function of a pickup for 95% of American pickup owners, but way smaller.
Too late. All our car companies folded so dickheads here are starting to buy Rams. The smallest utes you can buy here are the Hilux/Triton/Ranger/BT50 which are all about the same size and much bigger then the ones we used to make.
Welp, that's really disappointing. Once upon a time I thought the Holden Ute was pretty cool looking, and I liked stuff like the El Camino (dunno if y'all had those in Aus, but iirc they were discontinued in the US in the 80s).
I hate the weird "I wanna big car" thing in the US. I can understand wanting lots of footroom and feeling like you're in a tiny room instead of a car, but you don't need a massive pickup for that. If that's what you really want, buy a surplus humvee and take it somewhere to get a custom interior, new shocks fitted and maintenance done. It'll probably be more interior space than you'll know what to do with for half the cost of a brand new Ford, and it'll probably do off-road better as well. Bonus points if you replace the engine with a modern, more efficient diesel or do a full electric conversion. Imagine how much torque you could get out of an electric motor hooked up to a decent gearbox on that frame.
Holden is completely gone. GM pulled out of the RHD market entirely, so no more Holden, Vauxhall, or whatever they sold in Japan, SA, etc.
You and me both. I had a 97 Dodge Dakota Sport, which is barely bigger than my CUV. I miss that thing. I hauler a fridge in it once to help my friend out. Haven't had a need to haul a fridge since, but still, never know when a truck bed will come in handy lol. I just hate that the smallest size now is enormous. Even "sport" models are what used to be standard size anymore.
Sport/compact trucks these days seem like they're really the same size, just with rounded off styling so you get less useful space
US fuel efficiency rules effectively banned them. The light duty pickups are not coming back, sadly.
The way I'd see them coming back is if we improved on electric vehicle design to make it efficient for the size without losing safety or affordability especially long term.
The Hyundai Santa Cruz is the closest we have, and they've been selling pretty well
Me like. I hope I can get my hands on one of these someday.
I have a 2015 Tacoma, which I love. But I would much rather an ‘84 Toyota pickup.
My deep dream is a revival of the El Camino but with current or next gen electric motors. Small with a bed for hauling larger items without the issue of fuel efficiency
Buddy of mine still drives a 35 year old Datsun diesel..there's nothing equivalent out there today.
Sounds like the exact equivalent of SUVs over here.
They are offroad-incapable offroad vehicles.
It's a pickup truck. Often drive by assholes who like them but don't need them
Often typically
"Pickup truck"
Yup. If it's got a bed in the back for transporting stuff, it's a truck. In this case, a short-box truck.
An SUV is basically like a tall 4-door sedan with hinged doors a hatch-back (if the rear doors are sliding, then it's a van/mini-van)
So an El Camino is a truck?
An El Camino is a chariot of the gods. It transcends common labels.
Also begs the question, what's a Subaru brat or Baja then?
Sorta.
The Chevrolet El Camino was a car-based light truck that Chevrolet offered from 1959–'60 and 1964–1987
Lol... I had to ask my gen z kid if he knew what they were... He didn't so I showed him... Then I asked him, "car or truck"... He says car so that's the answer from the future of America... 😂
LoL. Still to be fair from the front they very much look like a car and the chassis is probably more car than truck. It's one of those weird in-between things but I suppose it is still better at carrying a load of whatever than a standard sedan.
For sure... Made for a funny discussion all around in my opinion though.
As the owner of a Subaru Baja, I call it an Ute. The short bed is useful to a point (hauling tanks of flammable fuel, etc) but not perfect.
If it's not a body on frame vehicle, I wouldn't call it a truck.
Ute is also body on frame (in aus at least) but I would still call the oversized emotional support vehicles trucks instead of utes. That being said, most single cab utes have a bigger bed than a truck like an f150.
That is a truck or pickup truck or pickup.
SUV does not have a flat bed for cargo.
I'd call it worthless. I could fit more in my prius than the bed of that truck.
Ah my bad, in Europe we don't see many of these cars. How would you call it? A truck?
of course the one person in europe who owns a pickup would park it on the sidewalk
Speaking as a Dutch person, our infrastructure just isn't made for cars this size. People basically need to enlarge their driveways to park something like this. So if you need to park a car like this it's almost impossible. That would stop most people from getting one, except the type of person that does buy one...
I mean, US infrastructure isn’t made for these beasts either.
I hate to say it, but that looks like a pretty small truck.
Source: I'm Texan but don't hold it against me.
Seems to be what those in most of the US would call a standard size pickup truck. Not “compact” like a Hilux/Tacoma, nor comically oversized like the oft-lifted 3/4 or full-ton trucks.
Hang on a sec a Hilux is considered a compact truck in America? That's a big old car where I'm from...
Yup, it would be considered a compact like the Toyota Tacoma, Chevrolet Colorado, ect
Looks like a Ram 1500, so not a small small truck like a Tacoma or ranger. It’s a decent sized truck, just got the short box 5’-8”.
I still don't understand what the point of a short box is. You can fit a decent amount of materials in it but why not just go for a full size box. Go figure.
I’ve got one, I can still haul anything 12’ and under legally with with tailgate up/down and flagged. And it gives me enough room to haul my kids around in the backseat.
A full size bed can’t have a crew cab, and any combination over that won’t fit in a 20’ garage, so you would need a non-standard “deeper” garage.
They fit a niche, just like most things. It’s not meant for everyone.
Saw another post on here about how ridiculously oversized the Ranger parked next to them was. Had to laugh as an American, can't even imagine how some of the 3500 brodozers you see here would look on a European street
It is in Texas. I have a pretty small car, and when I lived in California, I was constantly barely able to fit in parking spaces. In Texas, the parking spaces are huge to fit the trucks. It's so nice.
Fit the trucks and the people.
Yes it is, to say it isn't is just a lie, even if only one due to being under informed. To put it like this, talking about big rigs, 18 wheelers, or whatever you would like to call them, here in the US you mainly see "long nose" (American) styles, although yes you do still see "flat nose" or "cab over" designs, they are the European style, as the roads in Europe tend to be smaller than here in American, mainly due to some of those roads being much older than the USA is.
They don't fit on Northeastern American roads either. Why they get manufactured and purchased as often as they do is beyond me.
You’re not ready for the F-350 with extended bed then
I'm in the U.S., and this a problem here. Part of it is financial -- auto makers found a market for morons who will finance a $50,000 truck they have no need for.
And they drive like they are invincible. Last week I (Mazda3) almost got crushed by two of these road monstrosities. After taking evasive action to a avoid a head on collision, I got tailgated by another idiot who very nearly rear ended me.
This is also a rural area with no street lights, and a lot of these trucks are designed with a second set of headlights that blind you.
I call them any one of the following:
Grotesque monstrosities
Pavement princesses
Four wheeled Freudian excuses
US trucks are ridiculously oversized and typically never see any actual "truck" usage. They're also insanely expensive and are often redneck status symbols. As an American, I'm sorry they have infested your continent.
Source: I live in a yeehaw state where people own $70,000 trucks while living in a $7,000 hovel.
I like the more generic "All Hat", as in "all hat, no cowboy" because it not only captures the vehicle, but the owner too.
Ass hat also suffices.
I thought the expression was "All hat and no cattle." Now I gotta go look it up.
both work, not sure if there's a real historical significance to using one over the other.
in my opinion, "all hat, no cattle" has stronger assonance, and flows better as a phrase. especially with a slight southern USA accent, it has a satisfying cadence
We luckily rarely see them here. I saw one once (could have been a nissan? It was so big it was taller than me and I'm 6 foot..).. the owner had attempted to park it in a local car park, it took up two bays and still stuck out into the road. I felt sorry for them.. just nowhere to put something like that.. how the hell they managed to manoeuvre it in and out of the car park I have no idea..
Emotional Support Vehicle
Yes that’s a pickup truck.
An abomination against god?
It's a pickup truck. And probably not used for anything a truck would be used for. They're everywhere in America and just as annoying.
I personally don't see the point in having a vehicle this big unless it's used for work (hauling materials and towing trailers) And 95% of the time, it's not.
I wish the small commuter truck would come back but it's a fools dream
I want Aussies to invade and force their utes on us. Basically still fill the function of a pickup for 95% of American pickup owners, but way smaller.
Too late. All our car companies folded so dickheads here are starting to buy Rams. The smallest utes you can buy here are the Hilux/Triton/Ranger/BT50 which are all about the same size and much bigger then the ones we used to make.
Welp, that's really disappointing. Once upon a time I thought the Holden Ute was pretty cool looking, and I liked stuff like the El Camino (dunno if y'all had those in Aus, but iirc they were discontinued in the US in the 80s).
I hate the weird "I wanna big car" thing in the US. I can understand wanting lots of footroom and feeling like you're in a tiny room instead of a car, but you don't need a massive pickup for that. If that's what you really want, buy a surplus humvee and take it somewhere to get a custom interior, new shocks fitted and maintenance done. It'll probably be more interior space than you'll know what to do with for half the cost of a brand new Ford, and it'll probably do off-road better as well. Bonus points if you replace the engine with a modern, more efficient diesel or do a full electric conversion. Imagine how much torque you could get out of an electric motor hooked up to a decent gearbox on that frame.
Holden is completely gone. GM pulled out of the RHD market entirely, so no more Holden, Vauxhall, or whatever they sold in Japan, SA, etc.
You and me both. I had a 97 Dodge Dakota Sport, which is barely bigger than my CUV. I miss that thing. I hauler a fridge in it once to help my friend out. Haven't had a need to haul a fridge since, but still, never know when a truck bed will come in handy lol. I just hate that the smallest size now is enormous. Even "sport" models are what used to be standard size anymore.
Sport/compact trucks these days seem like they're really the same size, just with rounded off styling so you get less useful space
US fuel efficiency rules effectively banned them. The light duty pickups are not coming back, sadly.
The way I'd see them coming back is if we improved on electric vehicle design to make it efficient for the size without losing safety or affordability especially long term.
The Hyundai Santa Cruz is the closest we have, and they've been selling pretty well
Me like. I hope I can get my hands on one of these someday.
I have a 2015 Tacoma, which I love. But I would much rather an ‘84 Toyota pickup.
My deep dream is a revival of the El Camino but with current or next gen electric motors. Small with a bed for hauling larger items without the issue of fuel efficiency
Buddy of mine still drives a 35 year old Datsun diesel..there's nothing equivalent out there today.
Sounds like the exact equivalent of SUVs over here.
They are offroad-incapable offroad vehicles.
It's a pickup truck. Often drive by assholes who like them but don't need them
Oftentypically"Pickup truck"
Yup. If it's got a bed in the back for transporting stuff, it's a truck. In this case, a short-box truck.
An SUV is basically like a tall 4-door sedan with hinged doors a hatch-back (if the rear doors are sliding, then it's a van/mini-van)
So an El Camino is a truck?
An El Camino is a chariot of the gods. It transcends common labels.
Also begs the question, what's a Subaru brat or Baja then?
Sorta.
The Chevrolet El Camino was a car-based light truck that Chevrolet offered from 1959–'60 and 1964–1987
It was also a train, according to Wikipedia :-)
Lol... I had to ask my gen z kid if he knew what they were... He didn't so I showed him... Then I asked him, "car or truck"... He says car so that's the answer from the future of America... 😂
LoL. Still to be fair from the front they very much look like a car and the chassis is probably more car than truck. It's one of those weird in-between things but I suppose it is still better at carrying a load of whatever than a standard sedan.
For sure... Made for a funny discussion all around in my opinion though.
As the owner of a Subaru Baja, I call it an Ute. The short bed is useful to a point (hauling tanks of flammable fuel, etc) but not perfect.
If it's not a body on frame vehicle, I wouldn't call it a truck.
Ute is also body on frame (in aus at least) but I would still call the oversized emotional support vehicles trucks instead of utes. That being said, most single cab utes have a bigger bed than a truck like an f150.
That is a truck or pickup truck or pickup.
SUV does not have a flat bed for cargo.
I'd call it worthless. I could fit more in my prius than the bed of that truck.
A pickup truck where I'm from.