This SUV parking

twentyfumble@lemmy.world to Mildly Infuriating@lemmy.world – 857 points –

Not enough space for a stroller, had to walk in the middle of the street to go around the SUV.

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That's not an SUV... But yeah it looks like they backed up ONTO the curb, that's pretty rude...

Ah my bad, in Europe we don't see many of these cars. How would you call it? A truck?

of course the one person in europe who owns a pickup would park it on the sidewalk

Speaking as a Dutch person, our infrastructure just isn't made for cars this size. People basically need to enlarge their driveways to park something like this. So if you need to park a car like this it's almost impossible. That would stop most people from getting one, except the type of person that does buy one...

I mean, US infrastructure isn’t made for these beasts either.

I hate to say it, but that looks like a pretty small truck.

Source: I'm Texan but don't hold it against me.

Seems to be what those in most of the US would call a standard size pickup truck. Not “compact” like a Hilux/Tacoma, nor comically oversized like the oft-lifted 3/4 or full-ton trucks.

Hang on a sec a Hilux is considered a compact truck in America? That's a big old car where I'm from...

Yup, it would be considered a compact like the Toyota Tacoma, Chevrolet Colorado, ect

Looks like a Ram 1500, so not a small small truck like a Tacoma or ranger. It’s a decent sized truck, just got the short box 5’-8”.

I still don't understand what the point of a short box is. You can fit a decent amount of materials in it but why not just go for a full size box. Go figure.

I’ve got one, I can still haul anything 12’ and under legally with with tailgate up/down and flagged. And it gives me enough room to haul my kids around in the backseat.

A full size bed can’t have a crew cab, and any combination over that won’t fit in a 20’ garage, so you would need a non-standard “deeper” garage.

They fit a niche, just like most things. It’s not meant for everyone.

Saw another post on here about how ridiculously oversized the Ranger parked next to them was. Had to laugh as an American, can't even imagine how some of the 3500 brodozers you see here would look on a European street

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It is in Texas. I have a pretty small car, and when I lived in California, I was constantly barely able to fit in parking spaces. In Texas, the parking spaces are huge to fit the trucks. It's so nice.

Yes it is, to say it isn't is just a lie, even if only one due to being under informed. To put it like this, talking about big rigs, 18 wheelers, or whatever you would like to call them, here in the US you mainly see "long nose" (American) styles, although yes you do still see "flat nose" or "cab over" designs, they are the European style, as the roads in Europe tend to be smaller than here in American, mainly due to some of those roads being much older than the USA is.

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They don't fit on Northeastern American roads either. Why they get manufactured and purchased as often as they do is beyond me.

You’re not ready for the F-350 with extended bed then

I'm in the U.S., and this a problem here. Part of it is financial -- auto makers found a market for morons who will finance a $50,000 truck they have no need for.

And they drive like they are invincible. Last week I (Mazda3) almost got crushed by two of these road monstrosities. After taking evasive action to a avoid a head on collision, I got tailgated by another idiot who very nearly rear ended me.

This is also a rural area with no street lights, and a lot of these trucks are designed with a second set of headlights that blind you.

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I call them any one of the following:

  • Grotesque monstrosities

  • Pavement princesses

  • Four wheeled Freudian excuses

US trucks are ridiculously oversized and typically never see any actual "truck" usage. They're also insanely expensive and are often redneck status symbols. As an American, I'm sorry they have infested your continent.

Source: I live in a yeehaw state where people own $70,000 trucks while living in a $7,000 hovel.

I like the more generic "All Hat", as in "all hat, no cowboy" because it not only captures the vehicle, but the owner too.

I thought the expression was "All hat and no cattle." Now I gotta go look it up.

both work, not sure if there's a real historical significance to using one over the other.

in my opinion, "all hat, no cattle" has stronger assonance, and flows better as a phrase. especially with a slight southern USA accent, it has a satisfying cadence

We luckily rarely see them here. I saw one once (could have been a nissan? It was so big it was taller than me and I'm 6 foot..).. the owner had attempted to park it in a local car park, it took up two bays and still stuck out into the road. I felt sorry for them.. just nowhere to put something like that.. how the hell they managed to manoeuvre it in and out of the car park I have no idea..

It's a pickup truck. And probably not used for anything a truck would be used for. They're everywhere in America and just as annoying.

I personally don't see the point in having a vehicle this big unless it's used for work (hauling materials and towing trailers) And 95% of the time, it's not.

I wish the small commuter truck would come back but it's a fools dream

I want Aussies to invade and force their utes on us. Basically still fill the function of a pickup for 95% of American pickup owners, but way smaller.

Too late. All our car companies folded so dickheads here are starting to buy Rams. The smallest utes you can buy here are the Hilux/Triton/Ranger/BT50 which are all about the same size and much bigger then the ones we used to make.

Welp, that's really disappointing. Once upon a time I thought the Holden Ute was pretty cool looking, and I liked stuff like the El Camino (dunno if y'all had those in Aus, but iirc they were discontinued in the US in the 80s).

I hate the weird "I wanna big car" thing in the US. I can understand wanting lots of footroom and feeling like you're in a tiny room instead of a car, but you don't need a massive pickup for that. If that's what you really want, buy a surplus humvee and take it somewhere to get a custom interior, new shocks fitted and maintenance done. It'll probably be more interior space than you'll know what to do with for half the cost of a brand new Ford, and it'll probably do off-road better as well. Bonus points if you replace the engine with a modern, more efficient diesel or do a full electric conversion. Imagine how much torque you could get out of an electric motor hooked up to a decent gearbox on that frame.

Holden is completely gone. GM pulled out of the RHD market entirely, so no more Holden, Vauxhall, or whatever they sold in Japan, SA, etc.

You and me both. I had a 97 Dodge Dakota Sport, which is barely bigger than my CUV. I miss that thing. I hauler a fridge in it once to help my friend out. Haven't had a need to haul a fridge since, but still, never know when a truck bed will come in handy lol. I just hate that the smallest size now is enormous. Even "sport" models are what used to be standard size anymore.

Sport/compact trucks these days seem like they're really the same size, just with rounded off styling so you get less useful space

US fuel efficiency rules effectively banned them. The light duty pickups are not coming back, sadly.

The way I'd see them coming back is if we improved on electric vehicle design to make it efficient for the size without losing safety or affordability especially long term.

The Hyundai Santa Cruz is the closest we have, and they've been selling pretty well

Buddy of mine still drives a 35 year old Datsun diesel..there's nothing equivalent out there today.

I have a 2015 Tacoma, which I love. But I would much rather an ‘84 Toyota pickup.

My deep dream is a revival of the El Camino but with current or next gen electric motors. Small with a bed for hauling larger items without the issue of fuel efficiency

Sounds like the exact equivalent of SUVs over here.

They are offroad-incapable offroad vehicles.

Yup. If it's got a bed in the back for transporting stuff, it's a truck. In this case, a short-box truck.

An SUV is basically like a tall 4-door sedan with hinged doors a hatch-back (if the rear doors are sliding, then it's a van/mini-van)

So an El Camino is a truck?

An El Camino is a chariot of the gods. It transcends common labels.

Sorta.

The Chevrolet El Camino was a car-based light truck that Chevrolet offered from 1959–'60 and 1964–1987

It was also a train, according to Wikipedia :-)

Lol... I had to ask my gen z kid if he knew what they were... He didn't so I showed him... Then I asked him, "car or truck"... He says car so that's the answer from the future of America... 😂

LoL. Still to be fair from the front they very much look like a car and the chassis is probably more car than truck. It's one of those weird in-between things but I suppose it is still better at carrying a load of whatever than a standard sedan.

For sure... Made for a funny discussion all around in my opinion though.

That is a truck or pickup truck or pickup.

SUV does not have a flat bed for cargo.

As the owner of a Subaru Baja, I call it an Ute. The short bed is useful to a point (hauling tanks of flammable fuel, etc) but not perfect.

If it's not a body on frame vehicle, I wouldn't call it a truck.

Ute is also body on frame (in aus at least) but I would still call the oversized emotional support vehicles trucks instead of utes. That being said, most single cab utes have a bigger bed than a truck like an f150.

I'd call it worthless. I could fit more in my prius than the bed of that truck.

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I mean the truck bed is like 3 feet long, you can't do anything with it, it's never been off-road, and it has two full size rows of seats. It's an SUV in denial.

Yeah but SUVs go off road. Most "SUV's" on the road these days are just lifted hatch backs

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That's not an SUV, it's a pickup truck.

The parking is almost as infuriating as OPs title.

I thought it was commentary about how both SUVs and pickup trucks are both classified as light trucks, and aren't required by law to have certain features that come standard in regular cars.

No, it's a ute

My understanding is that utes are generally unibodies, but that truck definitely has a frame. Based off the wheels and bed cover, it's a useless truck driven by a dickhead, but a truck just the same.

See, my crippled ass is going to squeeze through anyway. Even if that means the metal clasps on my shoulder bag grind against the vehicle, or even if the attachment point for the strap on my cane happens to dig in if I happen to stumble because of the tight space.

Will that result in dents and scrapes? Absolutely. Do I care? Absolutely not.

My non-crippled ass would possibly also have some issues. I might trip with my keys in my hand or something worse. Who's to know what dangers parking like this could pose.

It sounds like you care a lot.

Care about how this a-hole blocks the sidewalk? Yes!

Care about accidential scratches or dents when walking around that pickup? No!

I haven’t tried it yet, but I’ve heard that you can call to get vehicles towed if they are blocking the sidewalk. I don’t know if that’s in every municipality, but I suspect the tow companies and the city would not mind the revenue.

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So much of that in England. I get people don't want to block the road, but when you are sitting on the entire footpath so nobody can get passed. You're an asshole.

I was so cross when a van didn't bother to park just a few metres away in a designated parking spot to go to the corner shop and just decided to sit and block the entire pavement at a point to close to a hedge that meant we were forced to go out into the road.

Laziness. Just laziness.

Would be a shame if someone would squeeze between the trunk amd the wall....while not caring about any metal piece sticking out

Let me just squeeze on by ya with this shopping cart lined with steel wool. Sorry, pedestrians aren't allowed on the road!

Blocking sidewalks anywhere is a shitty move. If you can’t park without blocking the sidewalk, you shouldn’t park there. This includes your own driveway

While trucks are complete nonsense to have for 9/10 owners, sometimes it's choosing between two evils. Either park it like this, or have it stick out this far at the front, blocking traffic flow.

Instead of being infuriated by the way it's parked, we should be just because it's a truck that Is useless to have, especially in the Netherlands.

Block the flow of traffic. Vehicle traffic has predefined rules to deal with this and it happens all the time. Now you're forcing pedestrians to go onto the road creating a safety hazard. Strollers, like with OP, or disabled people or really you name it are severely disadvantaged by this, just because this person needed a gigantic car thought vehicle traffic was more important than pedestrians.

I'm not saying one is better than the other, all I'm saying is that both ways it sucks and trucks in general are just infuriating.

I'm saying one is better than the other, significantly even. But yes, trucks in general are infuriating. They're more dangerous for other road users in every single way. You can barely see people over the hood. Other road users are not crash compatible and they use up a lot of space and use a lot of fuel. There's no reason for these to be around other than feeding people's egos.

I mean, the answer is "Your vehicle is too large to park here." It's one of the reasons I drive a smaller car, parking is a bitch where I'm from and I'd hate passing up spots because I can't fit.

Then buy a smaller truck????????? Why the fuck does anyone need a car that massive

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Extremely annoying when it's done so often, cars just love intruding every little space they can.

Ow damn. Weird seeing my city and a car that I know. The owner lives in my apartment complex. There are some 'main character'-parking-toddlers living at my place that get my blood boiling every time they try to redefine the lines on the parking lot.

The Netherlands?

Yes, now for some geoguesser genius to also state the city.

I was gonna comment something northern, like Groningen, but on close inspection, to the top right I spotted a old-timey triangular home front, which is absolutely too high up.

So it must be the Zaandam Inntel, am I right?

Yes.

The green wooden paneling is a dead giveaway, that's a fairly Zaanstreek thing.

It's a garbage truck now. Everyone bring out your garbage.

If you try it, watch your shin on that ball hitch.

Oh my god, it's the poop guy!

Is this your thing now? Very flattering to have a stalker.

Nice ego, poop guy. We frequent the same spaces, that's all. Don't flatter yourself.

edit: this was a good-natured joke, no need to work yourselves up into a lather.

There is an offer in Lidl for a portable plasma cutter

What's that? I live next to a lidl.im actually always Tempted to get the tools. They must be at least as good as harbor freight

What would be the most effective way to handle this without violating the law?

I live in México. I don't care about laws when it comes to fucking dumbasses like these.

Now I'm curious. How does parking like this go over in say, Juarez or Mexico City?

This will get towed in Germany if you report it, as it's putting others in danger by forcing them to use the road.

Looks like someone is getting stroller gouges! Take your baby out of it first obviously.

Usually I scratch the paint off. Sure it's not acceptable, but fuck cars. I've also smashed the ad signs in Sydney.

As shitty as people can be, it’s never appropriate to respond to non-damaging inconvenience with vandalism. That’s you stooping even lower than their level.

Hmm, I wonder:

  • why is inconveniencing one person (admittedly on a worse level) worse than inconveniencing everyone that uses the sidewalk (so smaller level, but wider scale)?
  • why do you believe this? Is it just because the law states one is punished worse than the other?

You’re not just inconveniencing them, you’re literally causing hundreds of dollars in damage.

Damaging their car isn’t helping anyone, except for making yourself feel better, it’s such an immature way to respond.

It’s like punching someone for using racial slurs and derogatory terms. You’re not in the right to punch them.

An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.

Leaving the world blind? By scratching the paint? It doesn't affect driving or put someone in danger, it would just look less pretty and annoy the owner of an expensive car who can't park.

If there aren't penelties to being an ass, why would these people ever stop? Clearly this person hasn't learned how to park correctly and not fuck other people over, so until they do they should have consequences. Doing nothing just let's them know they can keep doing this without consequences.

It's easy to estimate the damage to their car. What's less easy to estimate is how damaging it is to slightly inconvenience everyone who walks by there.

I live in a country where everyone parks like there are no laws, because the police does nothing about it. There are traffic jams and accidents on a daily basis in a small (less than 20 million people) country, all because drivers don't give a shit if they're leaving the car in the first lane for 20 minutes while they're shopping, or that kids are walking through traffic because the sidewalk is considered free parking.

Yeah, I won't be inconvenienced too much by that guy's car, I'll just go around it. My neighbor in a wheelchair usually doesn't have that luxury, he needs to pretend he's a car for a few minutes and be in the first lane until the sidewalk is clear.

And no, an eye for an eye doesn't leave everyone blind. The only one left blind is the jerk who tries it on two different people.

I know we disagree on this and that's okay, I expect I'm on the wrong side of the fence on this one and I'm okay with it - different backgrounds & opinions & all that. I was just curious if you're arguing from a legal point of view or from a moral point of view. Have a good one :)

Why not have it towed, or call bylaw to ticket it? The truck owner is inconvenienced, finds out why, and the sidewalk becomes usable again. Plus you get to feel better AND not act like the POS you want to see punished.

That's a great solution if it works. I was explaining this in another comment, but in my side of the world the police very rarely issue tickets for this type of stuff. And mostly when you call them they'll arrive in 30 min - 1 hour because it's "not a priority". Don't get me started on having something stolen (it never gets solved and they call you in a few months or years to retract your complaint because they can't solve it and it looks bad for them), or people being noisy at night or domestic violence complaints, where sometimes they'll ticket you for calling because you're "wasting their time" and "when they arrived there was no noise/sound of fighting/beating someone up". Like, of course dumbass. It happened 30 minutes ago. You think the lady spent 30 minutes arguing after the first punch? Of course they're quiet now.

And I'd understand their delay if they were actually busy with hard crime. But this is a small European country. We don't have guns. Out here a "gangster" will at most pull a knife on you, and then if they don't have another 3-4 guys with them they'll run with their tail between their legs if you pull a knife right back. This isn't a country of hardened criminals who grew up with the fear of bullets piercing the walls from gangs fighting on the block. Being police here is just being on a semi-vacation until 45, when you retire. They're doing fuck all, so when you ask them to actually do their job and not even prevent, but stop an ongoing crime - they would rather stop you from complaining instead.

Sorry, I went on a tangent there. TL;DR: my experience with police is that they're not helpful in these cases. I've learnt that the way you keep peace is by having superior firepower. Immediate physical violence or cost of fixing your vandalized asset are always better deterrents to being a prick than the potential outcome of maybe paying a few bucks, if some lazy assholes do their job, but probably walking away scot-free.

I think you have a vigilante justice fetish. Drop the comic books, pull up your big boy pants, and write a complaint letter to whoever in your city is in charge of the police.

For my city, that would be the mayor - he's in charge of local police. He's being investigated for illegally giving away some land to some friends, who then kicked back some $$. These investigations usually end by reaching the statute of limitations, at which point everyone is outraged at how bad the justice system works for the rest of the day. And then they move on.

Under him would be the chief of police. He is being investigated for covering up sexual harassment in the police force, and for announcing the head of the local council that a search warrant will be executed at one of his illegal businesses.

The two adjuncts to the chief of police ride through the city in an Audi and a Porsche. They also have several houses each. They make 20000 Euro a year. Their wives are a teacher (small salary) and a doctor in a state hospital (so low pay as well). For reference, since you don't have the context of real estate prices - I make more than the adjuncts or their wives (on paper) and I'm not even close to being able to get enough money for a first apartment, let alone my 4th house. I must be a hater or something, cause for sure there's no corruption involved.

Sorry if it seems I have a vigilante justice boner. I'd be the first to enjoy a regular justice boner, if I had the luxury to be able to get one in these parts.

If you don't hold the door open for me, I'm going to sharpie your shirt.

That's okay I usually hold the door open for people. Now get out.

Damaging the car may cost the owner a significant sum to repair. The car blocking the sidewalk is definitely shitty, but mostly amounts to a minor inconvenience.

Maybe just deflate the tires or leave a strongly worded letter on the windshield instead.

Minor inconvenience? Tell that to old people or people with disabilities.

I could tell them that, and they would be rightfully pissed off. In most cases, though, a disabled person can figure out this puzzle, go on with their day, and not have to pay $1,500 for the inconvenience.

Those moments when you wish you stole one of those emergency hammers from a Bus!

You have them not stolen?!

I think they just replace them a lot here, I know more than one person with one on the wall 😂

Calling this truck an “SUV” is very mildly infuriating.

I let my dogs scratch the fuck out of cars that are parked like this, i put big spike collars on them for walks just for this reason.

Christ, do you really not know what a fucking truck is? 🤦‍♂️

We are truly fucking doomed.

To be fair, they're really not that different. A common definition for SUVs, to my knowledge, is essentially just a passenger car built on a light truck chassis. Lots of these modern trucks have a full set of front and back seats and a relatively small bed (compared to the size of the vehicle anyway), and further, many are used by people who almost never actually haul stuff in it. In such a case, such a truck is basically getting used as an SUV anyway, just shaped like a truck because lots of people like trucks I guess.

Some Minivans share the same chassis as sedans. I'm not starting to call sedans "Minivans" just because the chassis is shared.