IMO, he is definitely the Christians' mascot. not only due to how much they support him, but also because he reflects the bigotry and ignorance they so deeply cherish.
As a frustrated Christian, I think I'd say it's most accurate to say that Trump embodies Conservatives, Republicans, and Evangelicals, all of whom have apparently no clear code of conduct or definition beyond "seize power, worship the perceived strong man, crush the marginalized."
Christian, though...there's a least a definition there ("follower of Christ") that excludes Trump — not only does Trump not care at all about Christ except as an incantation to get votes, but he directly contradicts the things Christ taught.
Exactly. These people are not Christians. They act exactly like the people Jesus rebuked for being hypocrites. It's uncanny.
I mean they must be the majority because the other christians can't keep them out of office even adding in the non christian vote. It is funny that anyone can take the prosperity doctrine seriously. christ is rolling in his stone.
they say they're christian, who am I to judge? I think it's more important to consider how much of a monster yahweh is, and why anyone would want to be associated with it.
I'm Jewish, not Christian so I'm not too up to speed on Christ. I also don't believe in the anti-Christ. That being said, there was an article a while back that laid out all the qualities that the anti-Christ will supposedly have. Trump embodied all of them.
Like I said, I don't believe in an anti-Christ, but if I was told that the anti-Christ not only existed, but was alive right now, I'd wager on it being Donald Trump.
right? the swedish curch gets it right: god has infinite compassion and jesus preached of acceptance, thus the logical conclusion is that a good christian is compassionate and accepting, which is the polar opposite of trump and a depressing amount of people who claim to be christian..
the bible says Jesus told his fans that they can't be his disciple unless they hate their family. also something about obeying their master. sounds very Trumpian to me. but then again, there are no "true" Scotsman, are there? 😜
"the bible says Jesus told his fans that they can’t be his disciple unless they hate their family"
No, it says you shouldn't love your family more than Him. That doesn't mean you have to hate your family
Maybe as far as the shock value but imo they are completely different. The bible verse is about absolute surrender to the christian god, where anything you might value as highly as god should be made lesser than him in your mind.
It seems like "kill the buddha" has the opposite intent, aggressively reject all notions of "other" or "authority" etc
here's the verse I'm referencing. nothing is said about loving them more than him. the word 'love' isn't even used. can you please cite the verse where is says what you claim?
Luke 14:26 KJV — If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Evangelicals who follow Trump lose all of their ability to preach morals to anyone else. What a bunch of fucking hypocrites.
they didn't have any to begin with. what kind of person thinks it's a good idea to worship something that demands human sacrifice? or commands genocide? endorses slavery, considers women to be second class, drowns an entire planet, condemns his children to eternal torture..... need I go on?
The most fucked up thing about the flood myth, to me despite the global genocide, is that this idiot God, in order to restart also just casually nukes every single animal.... All those animals drowning and suffering an agonizing death as they keep swimming until they are too exhausted and drown...
They did NOTHING to deserve that kind of cruelty... Yet religious people look at that story and don't bat an eye...
How utterly cruel and incompetent is your God of that a global flood is the answer?
But... It gets worse... He's also supposed to be all knowing, so he made the "original" humans KNOWING he'd have to wipe them all out.....
I mean.... That story is so bizzare and stupid, and idiotic and childish... For a grown ass adult to believe any of it, other than as some fucked up fantasy moral punishing story is just beyond fucked up.
It's surprising the new flexibility these mental gymnasts are demonstrating.
8 years ago it was, "But he goes to church. He says he loves the bible, so yeah. He closed his eyes when we prayed for him and laid hands on him and he didn't burst into flame. You know, it's all a wash after you've asked for forgiveness."
Now it's "We are smart enough to elect a president, not a pastor."
Ya sure about that one, biscuit?
They're not even hiding the fact they think he's a piece of shit. He's just a piece of shit who falls in line with their view of social dominance and control.
“And Christ said unto them, let he who hasn’t raw-dogged a pornstar and paid her hush money or for an abortion cast the first stone.”
It’s literally right there in the Bible.
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'Conservative' Christians aren't Christian in any meaningful sense of the word.
How many more centuries of Christians acting like Christians is it gonna take before we drop this "no true Scotsman" nonsense? This behavior comes from the same impulse as the crusades, the inquisition, witch trials, Christian support for chattel slavery, Christian support for anti-miscegenation laws, Christian support for segregation, Christian opposition to abortion, Christian opposition to gay marriage, Christian opposition to the very existence of trans people, Christian complicity in abuse and genocide of indigenous people, Christian protection of clergy that abuse children, and I'm certain there's dozens or perhaps even hundreds of things I've left out.
Christians are acting exactly like Christians when they support a bigoted rapist grifter.
[“I am certain that many Christians in the MAGA movement earnestly believe Trump has been ‘anointed’ for this purpose — to bring about certain political outcomes they desire,”]
LOLOLOL. Imagine how utterly pathetic Yahweh would have to be to need the help of Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump.,
There is nothing less Christ-like than today's Christians.
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You're free to go back to reddit
It was more an attempt to emphasize my agreement to the comment, that to express any lack of awards.
That said, I honestly feel that your attitude towards this, is more suited to reddit than lemmy
America's idea of what a hero really is has cratered into swamp land.
The hell that orange kumquat should be seen as anything but a pig with lipstick smeared all over, to cover up the boils and rot of his very existence.
This makes perfect sense when you remember that most self-proclaimed Christians are every bit as anti-christ as Trump.
Conservatives aren’t Christian, so…. What’s the point of this?
Christians, particularly evangelicals, are core to the Republican party's bigoted base.
People who claim to be Christian maybe. But if you read the Bible- you’d see that NONE of them walk the walk. So therefore, no.
Not Christians even in the slightest.
If I look at history, I see consistent behavior.
I get what you mean, but IMO we are at the point where the "good christians" should be thinking of a different name for themselves and attempting to distance themselves from the rest of Christianity.
When the great majority of self identified christians are hateful, bigoted, and cruel, then Christianity as a whole is hateful, bigoted, and cruel. People outside of the religion do NOT see a distinction between those that actively advocate for hate and those that are just still showing up for church on sunday.
but IMO we are at the point where the “good christians” should be thinking of a different name for themselves and attempting to distance themselves from the rest of Christianity.
The Cathars of the 13th century called themselves the Good Christians for that very reason. They were all murdered by the other Christians.
Good thing I don't think that book matters, that was a close one, you almost got me.
Now excuse me while I go lay with a man
How is Trump not the embodiment of Christian values? Last time I checked, the Bible didn't have any kind of rules about adultery, coveting, stealing, bearing false witness, or having graven images of yourself worshipped by a cult-like fanbase.
And I guarantee you I can go toe-to-toe with the majority of these Christians on Bible knowledge and the teachings of Jesus.
The sheer decadence of the church establishment that Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump has exposed will be the beginning of the death of Christianity.
Robert Jeffress, the first preacher mentioned, is notorious in Dallas for swindling old folks out of their children's inheritances. He has a full time team devoted to it, and he is constantly losing followers so he has a ton of TV commercials to get new victims to his church.
There's no hate like Christian love
They see him as a means to an end.
Like literally THE end. They want the end of the world so they can be picked up in Jesus's AMC Pacer.
If you don't think he drives a Pacer, you don't know ya scripture.
Naw. He drives an old school lifted bronco. It’s body panels were all originally different colors, but are now universally “rust”, with flood lights, a mounted stag head, loose beer cans, truck nuts. Used condoms in the back.
Matthew 24-30: "Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[ a] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with a Pacer and great glory.[
eh, a diesel Ram 3500 is more likely
Dude is a socialist. Sure they are trying to bring Him back, but they won't be deserving of a ride when he rolls up looking for true believers and sees tax cheats, child molesters, false prophets, adulterers, greed, vanity, and idol worshipers that the Evangelists and Catholics have become.
Not their version of hkm. But you’re not wrong the historic version being a socialist.
Probably drives a VW microbus from the 70’s, though. With a surprising amount of interior space.
It's his favorite book! What a fucking clown. Shame on anyone that believes the shit he's selling. At least if you're going to lie like that, go a millimeter deeper and have an example bible quote that's innocuous that you can spout off. Absolute morons.
We all remember that one verse in the Bible, "The Lord doth love the thief, the rapist, the defiler, and the swindler." I think it was in 2 Corinthians.
I know this is a typical "orange man bad" post, but... who on earth would want to (unironically and financially) support a politician? It's like supporting something worse than an ex-gf.
IMO, he is definitely the Christians' mascot. not only due to how much they support him, but also because he reflects the bigotry and ignorance they so deeply cherish.
As a frustrated Christian, I think I'd say it's most accurate to say that Trump embodies Conservatives, Republicans, and Evangelicals, all of whom have apparently no clear code of conduct or definition beyond "seize power, worship the perceived strong man, crush the marginalized."
Christian, though...there's a least a definition there ("follower of Christ") that excludes Trump — not only does Trump not care at all about Christ except as an incantation to get votes, but he directly contradicts the things Christ taught.
Exactly. These people are not Christians. They act exactly like the people Jesus rebuked for being hypocrites. It's uncanny.
I mean they must be the majority because the other christians can't keep them out of office even adding in the non christian vote. It is funny that anyone can take the prosperity doctrine seriously. christ is rolling in his stone.
they say they're christian, who am I to judge? I think it's more important to consider how much of a monster yahweh is, and why anyone would want to be associated with it.
I'm Jewish, not Christian so I'm not too up to speed on Christ. I also don't believe in the anti-Christ. That being said, there was an article a while back that laid out all the qualities that the anti-Christ will supposedly have. Trump embodied all of them.
Like I said, I don't believe in an anti-Christ, but if I was told that the anti-Christ not only existed, but was alive right now, I'd wager on it being Donald Trump.
right? the swedish curch gets it right: god has infinite compassion and jesus preached of acceptance, thus the logical conclusion is that a good christian is compassionate and accepting, which is the polar opposite of trump and a depressing amount of people who claim to be christian..
the bible says Jesus told his fans that they can't be his disciple unless they hate their family. also something about obeying their master. sounds very Trumpian to me. but then again, there are no "true" Scotsman, are there? 😜
"the bible says Jesus told his fans that they can’t be his disciple unless they hate their family"
No, it says you shouldn't love your family more than Him. That doesn't mean you have to hate your family
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2014%3A26&version=NIV
Sounds like https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110810105218155;jsessionid=AC2B8A10B21BE51F1FB06822204746E1#:~:text=kill%20the%20Arhat%3B%20if%20you,47%2C%20p.
Maybe as far as the shock value but imo they are completely different. The bible verse is about absolute surrender to the christian god, where anything you might value as highly as god should be made lesser than him in your mind.
It seems like "kill the buddha" has the opposite intent, aggressively reject all notions of "other" or "authority" etc
here's the verse I'm referencing. nothing is said about loving them more than him. the word 'love' isn't even used. can you please cite the verse where is says what you claim?
Luke 14:26 KJV — If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
My bad. https://www.gotquestions.org/hate-father-mother.html should be able to explain it though
Evangelicals who follow Trump lose all of their ability to preach morals to anyone else. What a bunch of fucking hypocrites.
they didn't have any to begin with. what kind of person thinks it's a good idea to worship something that demands human sacrifice? or commands genocide? endorses slavery, considers women to be second class, drowns an entire planet, condemns his children to eternal torture..... need I go on?
The most fucked up thing about the flood myth, to me despite the global genocide, is that this idiot God, in order to restart also just casually nukes every single animal.... All those animals drowning and suffering an agonizing death as they keep swimming until they are too exhausted and drown...
They did NOTHING to deserve that kind of cruelty... Yet religious people look at that story and don't bat an eye...
How utterly cruel and incompetent is your God of that a global flood is the answer?
But... It gets worse... He's also supposed to be all knowing, so he made the "original" humans KNOWING he'd have to wipe them all out.....
I mean.... That story is so bizzare and stupid, and idiotic and childish... For a grown ass adult to believe any of it, other than as some fucked up fantasy moral punishing story is just beyond fucked up.
It's surprising the new flexibility these mental gymnasts are demonstrating.
8 years ago it was, "But he goes to church. He says he loves the bible, so yeah. He closed his eyes when we prayed for him and laid hands on him and he didn't burst into flame. You know, it's all a wash after you've asked for forgiveness."
Now it's "We are smart enough to elect a president, not a pastor."
Ya sure about that one, biscuit?
They're not even hiding the fact they think he's a piece of shit. He's just a piece of shit who falls in line with their view of social dominance and control.
“And Christ said unto them, let he who hasn’t raw-dogged a pornstar and paid her hush money or for an abortion cast the first stone.”
It’s literally right there in the Bible.
Golf Clap..... 👏👏👏🫡
'Conservative' Christians aren't Christian in any meaningful sense of the word.
How many more centuries of Christians acting like Christians is it gonna take before we drop this "no true Scotsman" nonsense? This behavior comes from the same impulse as the crusades, the inquisition, witch trials, Christian support for chattel slavery, Christian support for anti-miscegenation laws, Christian support for segregation, Christian opposition to abortion, Christian opposition to gay marriage, Christian opposition to the very existence of trans people, Christian complicity in abuse and genocide of indigenous people, Christian protection of clergy that abuse children, and I'm certain there's dozens or perhaps even hundreds of things I've left out.
Christians are acting exactly like Christians when they support a bigoted rapist grifter.
[“I am certain that many Christians in the MAGA movement earnestly believe Trump has been ‘anointed’ for this purpose — to bring about certain political outcomes they desire,”]
LOLOLOL. Imagine how utterly pathetic Yahweh would have to be to need the help of Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump.,
There is nothing less Christ-like than today's Christians.
We need awards for posts like these!
You're free to go back to reddit
It was more an attempt to emphasize my agreement to the comment, that to express any lack of awards.
That said, I honestly feel that your attitude towards this, is more suited to reddit than lemmy
America's idea of what a hero really is has cratered into swamp land.
The hell that orange kumquat should be seen as anything but a pig with lipstick smeared all over, to cover up the boils and rot of his very existence.
This makes perfect sense when you remember that most self-proclaimed Christians are every bit as anti-christ as Trump.
Conservatives aren’t Christian, so…. What’s the point of this?
Christians, particularly evangelicals, are core to the Republican party's bigoted base.
People who claim to be Christian maybe. But if you read the Bible- you’d see that NONE of them walk the walk. So therefore, no.
Not Christians even in the slightest.
If I look at history, I see consistent behavior.
I get what you mean, but IMO we are at the point where the "good christians" should be thinking of a different name for themselves and attempting to distance themselves from the rest of Christianity.
When the great majority of self identified christians are hateful, bigoted, and cruel, then Christianity as a whole is hateful, bigoted, and cruel. People outside of the religion do NOT see a distinction between those that actively advocate for hate and those that are just still showing up for church on sunday.
The Cathars of the 13th century called themselves the Good Christians for that very reason. They were all murdered by the other Christians.
https://biblia.com/bible/esv/leviticus/18/22
Good thing I don't think that book matters, that was a close one, you almost got me.
Now excuse me while I go lay with a man
How is Trump not the embodiment of Christian values? Last time I checked, the Bible didn't have any kind of rules about adultery, coveting, stealing, bearing false witness, or having graven images of yourself worshipped by a cult-like fanbase.
And I guarantee you I can go toe-to-toe with the majority of these Christians on Bible knowledge and the teachings of Jesus.
The sheer decadence of the church establishment that Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump has exposed will be the beginning of the death of Christianity.
Robert Jeffress, the first preacher mentioned, is notorious in Dallas for swindling old folks out of their children's inheritances. He has a full time team devoted to it, and he is constantly losing followers so he has a ton of TV commercials to get new victims to his church.
There's no hate like Christian love
They see him as a means to an end.
Like literally THE end. They want the end of the world so they can be picked up in Jesus's AMC Pacer.
If you don't think he drives a Pacer, you don't know ya scripture.
Naw. He drives an old school lifted bronco. It’s body panels were all originally different colors, but are now universally “rust”, with flood lights, a mounted stag head, loose beer cans, truck nuts. Used condoms in the back.
Matthew 24-30: "Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[ a] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with a Pacer and great glory.[
eh, a diesel Ram 3500 is more likely
Dude is a socialist. Sure they are trying to bring Him back, but they won't be deserving of a ride when he rolls up looking for true believers and sees tax cheats, child molesters, false prophets, adulterers, greed, vanity, and idol worshipers that the Evangelists and Catholics have become.
Not their version of hkm. But you’re not wrong the historic version being a socialist.
Probably drives a VW microbus from the 70’s, though. With a surprising amount of interior space.
Oh yeah. He's definitely a Christian. Just look at how much he understands and love the Bible.
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It's his favorite book! What a fucking clown. Shame on anyone that believes the shit he's selling. At least if you're going to lie like that, go a millimeter deeper and have an example bible quote that's innocuous that you can spout off. Absolute morons.
We all remember that one verse in the Bible, "The Lord doth love the thief, the rapist, the defiler, and the swindler." I think it was in 2 Corinthians.
I know this is a typical "orange man bad" post, but... who on earth would want to (unironically and financially) support a politician? It's like supporting something worse than an ex-gf.