Imagine if Biden with his newfound immunity decomissions the entire Supreme Court and raids it with military force just for the sake of tragic irony
Everyone seems to be missing the "in an official capacity" clause of the ruling. That is intended to force each of these cases to the supreme court, allowing them to rule what is and isn't official capacity. Meaning, they can simply rule that Biden didn't act in an official capacity and is not immune. The ruling is even more sinister than it seems on the surface.
He can make it official. He can make it as official as it gets. He can literally publicly sign this, in his office, with the press. Just because the constitution doesn't explicitly say he can do it doesn't mean it's unofficial. The constitution barely mentions what authorities the president does and doesn't have in the first place.
Its going to be hard to rule against the president after you been killed by the president.
Obviously this will never happen, but good luck ruling that Biden did not act "in an official capacity" when he ordered their murder, after it has actually been enacted. I guess their replacements could do it but that won't resuscitate their predecessors.
The decision specifically states any action involving "core responsibilities" is an official action and grants immunity. One of the core responsibilities of the president is commanding the armed forces. So by their decision any order given to the armed forces comes with immunity by default.
Immunity != authority.
Biden doesn't have additional powers because of the ruling. Just can't be prosecuted for crimes.
Immunity only benefits criminal Presidents like Trump.
The problem with that thinking is the President is the Commander-in-Chief. He can tell the military to do anything, and anything he tells them to do is protected, because that power is EXPLICITLY written out in the Constitution, and thus is an official act.
Additionally, he could just hire literal hitmen and pardon them of any crimes. Official act. Fucking brownshirts are gonna be back.
The hiring hitmen would probably not be an official act though. That's why you use the military and pardon them of any charges.
You're right, just start a new branch of the military and just call it the Freedom Squad, and their whole goal is assassinating anyone you deem the deep state.
This should scare the shit out of everyone.
Biden can do this now.
Except when the terms of what an official act is not defined, the Supreme Court gets to decide, after the fact.
I've been thinking about this a bit, I'm not sure it's been considered and I may be going out on a random tangent...
Isn't this whole 'immunity' decision just another power grab, or rather further cementing of their power, by SCOTUS? Think about it. They're essentially the arbiter of 'right' and 'wrong' now, as there's no further avenue of appeal save for amending the U.S. Constitution.
Put aside the vagueness of 'official' vs. 'unofficial' acts for a moment.
Trump did something definitely illegal, and Trump argues was 'official', like his classified records case. Immune.
Biden did something questionably legal yet unofficial, such as forgetfully retaining classified documents after his tenure as VP (which he immediately returned). Supreme Court decides 'not immune', and some idiot decides to prosecute.
Trump might end up as a king, but the conservative majority of SCOTUS are the kingmakers and protectors.
Eh. Not if Biden just says “no. Fuck you. That was an official act.” And then just categorically ignore the court. Which is precisely what Trump would do if presented with a mirrored version of the situation.
In the mirror situation, Trump would've just had the opposing court justices assassinated and then installed puppets that would rule that those assassinations were official acts.
So he can limit the scope of what the next president can do simply by using the power he's been given.
Nope because he can’t interpret nor create laws. Just break them. The next president is free to do as they wish.
And if he breaks them, the Supreme Court will rule that the president can't do whatever it is that Biden did. Assuming whatever Biden did doesn't result in the court having a different makeup.
Thats the crux of the King’s Gambit to remove this ruling.
Hard to decide it after the fact if the fact is your death.
He's not going to be around much longer either way.
Yet somehow Biden is powerless to stop him. 🤔
Are you hoping that Biden now sets a precedent by using his newfound king powers to assassinate his opponent? I want Trump to lose in a fair election and go to prison for a very long time. Biden using this “the president/king can do whatever he wants” would lead to an immediate civil war
The time for a president to not act like a king was before a corrupt court awarded the powers of a king to a president. The only way to turn it back now is for a non-corrupt king to break the corrupt court and then divest himself of powers before a corrupt king ascends to the throne.
That seems logical, but can we try wishful thinking first?
What? No. The damage has been done and only Biden can do something about it, but he won't because he's a centrist and a coward. He'll just sit around waiting to lose the election and say that he stood by his principles.
Accelerationism is voting for the fat orange idiot and waiting for the country to burn.
Ah.. Decorum over Policy, only really noble when on one's out to get you...
What?! No! This is like a riddle. You assassinate the Supreme court first, THEN pack the court. Then have the new Supreme Court strip the presidency of these new powers.
Yes but my cabbage is still on the wrong side of the river
You have the leave the fox with it.
But Clarence Thomas keeps eating the fox.
He has enough troops to hit Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and anyone else he wants at the same time.
The irony it would be if he called the Official act, "The Purge of Fascism"
No one would try to bring about an impeachment vote, as they know they would be dead or disappeared before it took place.
Because history is full of examples of people willingly giving up absolute authority.
Magna carta?
Weird how if Biden uses any of the power he has to stop Trump from becoming Fuhrer then it will cause a civil war, but when Trump actually uses that power to become Fuhrer he will face no obstacles.
It will still cause a civil war. Also, that was a wild edit from “you’ll fucking wish Biden assassinated Trump”
I changed my mind about what I wanted to say, but was I wrong?
EDIT And I changed my mind again. If Trump is so dangerous, the only way to really stop him is for Biden to win decisively. Instead, he's behind in fucking New Jersey in the latest polls. If he wins it'll be razor thin, maybe only by the electoral college or a few counties, and then the fascist Supreme Court will give it to Trump anyway. Lose/lose, at least if Biden does something really funny before he resigns he could make sure Trump can't become fuhrer.
The forces that produced Trump remain and will birth a new "strong man" for the masses to get behind, and the GOP does another attempt for Christian fascism.
They tried that when Trump lost, people gravitated back to Trump
And liberals can't actually confront those forces, because some of those forces are the ones who donate to them. Yeah, I get it.
I mean, they're .ml gaslightings to be expected
edit: Lmao, 5 replies and I can see none of them. Sorry Tankies, I'm way ahead of you
I'm trans in a red state, they're going to kill me, and the only option I'm allowed to vote for a genocidal mummy who is going to fucking lose because he's too stubborn and old to realize he has to drop out. Meanwhile, smarmy fucking liberals want to tell me it's too dangerous for Biden to use his unlimited executive power handed to him by the Court, and they're frog marching me to my death.
So yeah, my first instinct was to wish Biden would do literally fucking anything to stop Trump, and he won't and we're all fucked.
EDIT And I'm a stupid fuck and hit enter too quickly sometimes and then think of more stuff I want to say or change my mind about what I wanted to say, and now that I was "caught" being a stupid indecisive fuck because I edited a few minutes after posting I lose this argument so whatever
It’s always so easy to get upset by a narrative you create on your own. I mean, adhering to reality is so much work! Right?
You accused me of gaslighting people, like I'm some kind of abuser. That put me in a really bad place.
Here's reality: Biden is going to get me killed because he won't do what is best for the country and either resign or stop Trump permanently, and you all are telling me to support this genocidal mummy who would rather get me killed than do the right thing.
Maybe that makes me a little fucking stressed?
Nope. That’s not how it works. If you are purposefully going to withhold your vote in your own country because think you’re going to make some grassroots change to acts committed by another country- in another country.
then YOU are going to get you killed.
YOU have the ability to stop that shit. YOU can vote. Votes matter. And if your own safety and well being is worth the risk to make some stupid point-
Then you don’t get to put that on someone else. It’s FAR too late in the game to pretend you don’t know what’s at stake.
"Committed by another country" is horseshit, its committed by the US's unsinkable aircraft carrier with US bombs and US naval defense from its neighbors and US defense in the UN and would be impossible without the unlimited backing of the US government. This is our fault, 100%, I don't get to wash my hands of it just because it's being done on the other side of the world by a US proxy.
If my vote matters then I have a duty to use it to stop genocide, and this is the only way I can do it. Both the candidates support genocide, if either of them win then the genocide will only get worse. I see Biden being on death's door is a leverage point and so I am going to use it to increase the pressure, because if he gets replaced at the convention then we get a third choice!
They may still support Israel, but Biden has been a staunch Zionist his entire time in office. He's loyal to the bone. I actually don't know if they could find someone who is as loyal to Israel and Israel's interests as Joe Biden. If he gets replaced it might end.
And I get to blame you for throwing your support behind genocide instead of joining the push to replace Biden.
That’s some mighty fine propaganda you’ve got there. However, I’m going to guess that you didn’t even know where Palestine was from n a map prior to very recently. Like… within the past year.
Nor did you know that we’ve been supplying them weapons for decades. Or that they’ve been at war since the 40’s. Or that congress will send them weapons with or without the president’s approval.
Manufactured outrage is such an easy weapon to use against those that don’t think for themselves. Or even bother to try and understand the nuance to any given situation.
Let me help you to understand a bit of how all this works:
NOTHING is black and white that exists within the boundaries of reality. Especially with politics. And it’s VERY clear that you don’t understand how most of it works. So maybe try and look into what’s involved within the nuance. Start with this.
Because that Is just scratching the surface of the shit you are either not able to understand, or refusing to even try to.
Hope this helps.
I've hated Israel since they crushed Rachel Corrie with a fucking bulldozer in 2003, don't you fucking accuse me of not being aware of this genocidal settler-colonial state until recently. You accuse me of spreading propaganda and then post a fucking article that says the US is helpless and is legally forced to keep selling Israel weapons without limits forever. "Aw shucks, there's nothing Biden can do, he has to keep giving them billions of dollars of bombs to decapitate children in concentration camps!"
Let me help you understand how all this works.
The US can pull out of any agreement it wants. See: the Iran nuclear deal. This horseshit about the US being legally required to support Israel is mystification, the US can basically just do whatever it wants. This doesn't even get into the new Supreme Court decision, which basically just gave the President unlimited executive powers to execute the office's official duties.
More accurate: Socialists will always choose to side with fascists over liberals, because they really just want authoritarianism.
Though it's probably more accurate to say "tankie" isntead of "socialist", but since you're referring to tankies as socialists, I'll do the same.
The great day of victory over Germany has come. Fascist Germany, forced to her knees by the Red Army and the troops of our Allies, has acknowledged herself defeated and declared unconditional surrender.
Yeah... after Stalin worked with Hitler to carve up Poland. It was only when Hitler attacked Stalin that he begrudgingly got on the Allied side. Poland still got fucked by that asshole though.
I want Trump to lose in a fair election and go to prison for a very long time.
I mean, 2020 happened, he lost in a fair election. He did do crimes that should have landed him jail.
Now what? You’re saying it’s gonna happen this time?
As if that’s not gonna happen when Trump uses said powers? Indecisiveness will doom America. Act! The Heritage foundation, Trump, and the Republicans do. They ask for forgiveness, maybe, but not permission.
Indecisiveness = not assassinating the opponent?
America is doomed. Now both sides are calling for their chosen king to execute the other king. The experiment is over, hyper capitalism disguised as theology won. I want to vote for my chosen president in this election. This thread is telling me I should support my king executing the other king. Even if he gives up that power right after said execution, the president has made a precedent that the “checks and balances” are broken.
My prediction is that if an execution / forceful power grab is to happen, China will immediately invade the Phillipines and Taiwan, seeing the instability of the US, possibly Japan right after, since our new king will be too busy with the civil war or dismantling the government.
After that NATO and the EU will remove the US from any seat we have during said civil war, as we are no longer a democratic state.
The US arms companies will move to supplying the civil war in addition to just pumping Israel full of guns, maybe Russia too since it’s profitable and what even is regulation at this point.
By the time the US does stabilize, we’re a corporatocracy, as the only things left with real buying power are our tech companies and arms manufacturers, which at this point have their own mercenary security to defend against potential profit loss or have moved to other nations (Apple’s risk management division absolutely has these papers and plans drawn up seeing the political climate)
Canada will absolutely close its borders, and probably will be a hotbed of attempted immigration, ironically their right wing leaning government fighting the effects of our right wing government.
But yeah, we should yell at our king to assassinate the other potential king, instead of organizing, donating, campaigning and voting
Yes. Pretty much. Exactly. The alternative is Trump. So, yeah. Glad someone else recognizes America as we knew it is over.
You know the thought experiment where you go back in time and kill Hitler? We’re there. Take out Hitler.
The alternative is to do what Weimar Germany did and pretend it’s not happening, or, it won’t be that bad.
Learn from history.
That's bullshit. Most people I have talked to believe trump should be sentenced accordingly to the felonies he has been convicted of, not executed.
Sure, blowhards in their online echo chambers love to bloviate about all the doom and gloom, but we have seen enough propaganda as of late to question the veracity of these dubious claims.
Most Americans are pretty much fed up with politics at this point. But the misinformation needs to stop.
Hell no, this "When they go low, we go high, bullshit!" is why Roe Vs. Wade was overturned and if we continue that nonsense it will be why Gay Marriage is overturned.
Immunity only benefits criminals. Biden is not a criminal so doesn't get any benefit from the ruling.
The ruling only benefits criminal Presidents like Trump.
Criminals have to be convicted.
If you do crime and don't get convicted, you're innocent. That's how the judicial system works and the Court just confirmed Nixon was right: when the president does it it's not a crime.
What powers would you have him use to stop him?
The powers just granted to him by the Supreme Court.
Any "official act" done by the President is now constitutional. He couldn't, like, shoot Trump at the next debate with a gun he smuggled on stage. What he could do is, as President from the Oval Office, order Trump's motorcade to be droned.
You clearly don’t understand how this works. And I’m not going to waste the time to explain it to you. It’s way too late in the game for that shit.
You’re entirely wrong about how that works. Just know that.
🤡
Cool, so you’re an admitted troll. It’s always a good thing when the gifts wrap themselves. I no longer have to take you seriously.
Your entire argument was "no ur rong" and so I responded with as much effort as you gave me.
So to summarize-
You say incorrect and grossly exaggerated bullshit- and if I so much as even try and tell you that you’re wrong-
You get to troll with impunity.
Riiiiiight…
Well, I hate to break it to you, but again- shit isn’t going to work that way. You see, there’s a thing called accountability. And you clearly have proven that you have none. So while you think you have made yourself a fun little “gotcha” moment- you’ve really only proven that you can’t hold your own.
It’s easy to talk shit when no one asks you to back it up.
Here's what fucking Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor said in her dissent:
“The President of the United States is the most powerful person in the country, and possibly the world. When he uses his official powers in any way, under the majority’s reasoning, he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.” Sotomayor went on to write, “In every use of official power, the President is now a king above the law,” she wrote.
Biden can kill all his enemies and that's the law now. As long as it is an official act, it's constitutional.
WRONG and proof that you have no clue how any of this works.
“The dissent ignores parts of the majority opinion that expressly refute such claims. For example, the majority discussed how prosecutors could present evidence in a bribery case that a president “allegedly demanded, received, accepted, or agreed to receive or accept in return for being influenced in the performance of the act.” The prosecution can overcome the presumption of immunity with such evidence.
Indeed, the majority stated that Trump’s alleged “private scheme with private actors” to create alternative slates of electors “cannot be neatly categorized as falling within a particular presidential function.” If that is established by the trial court, then Trump’s actions would not be protected by any sort of immunity.
In defining official functions, the Court referenced constitutional and statutory authority. It also recognized that a president must be able to speak to the public on matters of public interest, as Trump did on Jan. 6, 2021. While some of us believe that Trump’s speech was entirely protected under the First Amendment, the justices suggested that it was also protected as a matter of immunity.
That is a far cry from a green light for death squads. The idea that Trump could not order a slate of fake electors but could order a slew of political assassinations finds little support in the actual opinion.”
“I didn’t expect such a broad definition of absolute immunity for a president for criminal acts,” said Berkeley Law Dean Erwin Chemerinsky, one of the nation’s preeminent constitutional scholars. “While the court leaves many issues unresolved, it is a dramatic and stunning affirmation of broad, absolute immunity for a president.”
Berkeley political scientist Terri Bimes, a scholar in the history and operation of the U.S. presidency, called the court’s ruling “dangerous.”
“The decision seems to permit the president to use the power of the office to commit acts that are illegal, that are criminal,” Bimes said. “The fact that these actions are being taken in the name of the presidency, that they’re official acts, makes them immune from prosecution. That is really problematic.”
It’s provenly NOT absolute immunity. Stop with the extremism. It’s dangerous. Yes, but he cannot make goon squads to go murderizing people at will.
Stop with the sensationalism. It only dilutes the water.
Does anyone else just not bother reading articles when they see it’s from The Daily Beast? I just don’t have the energy to deal with their paywall.
There wasn't one this time
I feel like their paywall has gotten more strict recently. I used to almost never get them (edit: on my pc with an adblocker. I did get them on mobile but now I’m seeing them on my pc too)
Agreed. Hell, I remember before they even had one.
Fortunately diet and lifestyle means you won't have to put up with it for long...
Reckon both these guys will be in the ground before the next election cycle comes around.
Trump is a foot in the door, there are some scary and actually intelligent people behind the scenes.
We’re in a frogs in the pot situation.
They said Bernie Sanders was too old 8 years ago yet he is still around.
It's going to be crazy when Trump gets elected, is unable to pass laws due to a stalemate in congress and then is replaced by an idiot genx/millenial four years later.
Why pass new laws when you can break them instead!?
I hope you’re right, but I don’t think you are.
I don’t expect to have meaningful or fair elections for the foreseeable future if the fascists win in November, to the point that I have contingency plans for various scenarios in that domain.
I fervently hope for the second two things to happen if the first one does.
Naw it's okay bro, he can just sign an executive order saying the law is passed. Official Act baby!
Sure but then the next President can repeal it. This happens now.
Imagine if Biden with his newfound immunity decomissions the entire Supreme Court and raids it with military force just for the sake of tragic irony
Everyone seems to be missing the "in an official capacity" clause of the ruling. That is intended to force each of these cases to the supreme court, allowing them to rule what is and isn't official capacity. Meaning, they can simply rule that Biden didn't act in an official capacity and is not immune. The ruling is even more sinister than it seems on the surface.
He can make it official. He can make it as official as it gets. He can literally publicly sign this, in his office, with the press. Just because the constitution doesn't explicitly say he can do it doesn't mean it's unofficial. The constitution barely mentions what authorities the president does and doesn't have in the first place.
Its going to be hard to rule against the president after you been killed by the president.
Obviously this will never happen, but good luck ruling that Biden did not act "in an official capacity" when he ordered their murder, after it has actually been enacted. I guess their replacements could do it but that won't resuscitate their predecessors.
The decision specifically states any action involving "core responsibilities" is an official action and grants immunity. One of the core responsibilities of the president is commanding the armed forces. So by their decision any order given to the armed forces comes with immunity by default.
Immunity != authority.
Biden doesn't have additional powers because of the ruling. Just can't be prosecuted for crimes.
Immunity only benefits criminal Presidents like Trump.
The problem with that thinking is the President is the Commander-in-Chief. He can tell the military to do anything, and anything he tells them to do is protected, because that power is EXPLICITLY written out in the Constitution, and thus is an official act.
Additionally, he could just hire literal hitmen and pardon them of any crimes. Official act. Fucking brownshirts are gonna be back.
The hiring hitmen would probably not be an official act though. That's why you use the military and pardon them of any charges.
You're right, just start a new branch of the military and just call it the Freedom Squad, and their whole goal is assassinating anyone you deem the deep state.
This should scare the shit out of everyone.
Biden can do this now.
Except when the terms of what an official act is not defined, the Supreme Court gets to decide, after the fact.
I've been thinking about this a bit, I'm not sure it's been considered and I may be going out on a random tangent...
Isn't this whole 'immunity' decision just another power grab, or rather further cementing of their power, by SCOTUS? Think about it. They're essentially the arbiter of 'right' and 'wrong' now, as there's no further avenue of appeal save for amending the U.S. Constitution.
Put aside the vagueness of 'official' vs. 'unofficial' acts for a moment.
Trump did something definitely illegal, and Trump argues was 'official', like his classified records case. Immune.
Biden did something questionably legal yet unofficial, such as forgetfully retaining classified documents after his tenure as VP (which he immediately returned). Supreme Court decides 'not immune', and some idiot decides to prosecute.
Trump might end up as a king, but the conservative majority of SCOTUS are the kingmakers and protectors.
Eh. Not if Biden just says “no. Fuck you. That was an official act.” And then just categorically ignore the court. Which is precisely what Trump would do if presented with a mirrored version of the situation.
In the mirror situation, Trump would've just had the opposing court justices assassinated and then installed puppets that would rule that those assassinations were official acts.
So he can limit the scope of what the next president can do simply by using the power he's been given.
Nope because he can’t interpret nor create laws. Just break them. The next president is free to do as they wish.
And if he breaks them, the Supreme Court will rule that the president can't do whatever it is that Biden did. Assuming whatever Biden did doesn't result in the court having a different makeup.
Thats the crux of the King’s Gambit to remove this ruling.
Hard to decide it after the fact if the fact is your death.
He's not going to be around much longer either way.
Yet somehow Biden is powerless to stop him. 🤔
Are you hoping that Biden now sets a precedent by using his newfound king powers to assassinate his opponent? I want Trump to lose in a fair election and go to prison for a very long time. Biden using this “the president/king can do whatever he wants” would lead to an immediate civil war
The time for a president to not act like a king was before a corrupt court awarded the powers of a king to a president. The only way to turn it back now is for a non-corrupt king to break the corrupt court and then divest himself of powers before a corrupt king ascends to the throne.
That seems logical, but can we try wishful thinking first?
Ah got it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism
What? No. The damage has been done and only Biden can do something about it, but he won't because he's a centrist and a coward. He'll just sit around waiting to lose the election and say that he stood by his principles.
Accelerationism is voting for the fat orange idiot and waiting for the country to burn.
Ah.. Decorum over Policy, only really noble when on one's out to get you...
Redundant.
Let’s not be lumpatious
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma
What?! No! This is like a riddle. You assassinate the Supreme court first, THEN pack the court. Then have the new Supreme Court strip the presidency of these new powers.
Yes but my cabbage is still on the wrong side of the river
You have the leave the fox with it.
But Clarence Thomas keeps eating the fox.
He has enough troops to hit Congress, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and anyone else he wants at the same time.
The irony it would be if he called the Official act, "The Purge of Fascism"
No one would try to bring about an impeachment vote, as they know they would be dead or disappeared before it took place.
Because history is full of examples of people willingly giving up absolute authority.
Magna carta?
Weird how if Biden uses any of the power he has to stop Trump from becoming Fuhrer then it will cause a civil war, but when Trump actually uses that power to become Fuhrer he will face no obstacles.
It will still cause a civil war. Also, that was a wild edit from “you’ll fucking wish Biden assassinated Trump”
I changed my mind about what I wanted to say, but was I wrong?
EDIT And I changed my mind again. If Trump is so dangerous, the only way to really stop him is for Biden to win decisively. Instead, he's behind in fucking New Jersey in the latest polls. If he wins it'll be razor thin, maybe only by the electoral college or a few counties, and then the fascist Supreme Court will give it to Trump anyway. Lose/lose, at least if Biden does something really funny before he resigns he could make sure Trump can't become fuhrer.
The forces that produced Trump remain and will birth a new "strong man" for the masses to get behind, and the GOP does another attempt for Christian fascism.
They tried that when Trump lost, people gravitated back to Trump
And liberals can't actually confront those forces, because some of those forces are the ones who donate to them. Yeah, I get it.
I mean, they're .ml gaslightings to be expected
edit: Lmao, 5 replies and I can see none of them. Sorry Tankies, I'm way ahead of you
I'm trans in a red state, they're going to kill me, and the only option I'm allowed to vote for a genocidal mummy who is going to fucking lose because he's too stubborn and old to realize he has to drop out. Meanwhile, smarmy fucking liberals want to tell me it's too dangerous for Biden to use his unlimited executive power handed to him by the Court, and they're frog marching me to my death.
So yeah, my first instinct was to wish Biden would do literally fucking anything to stop Trump, and he won't and we're all fucked.
EDIT And I'm a stupid fuck and hit enter too quickly sometimes and then think of more stuff I want to say or change my mind about what I wanted to say, and now that I was "caught" being a stupid indecisive fuck because I edited a few minutes after posting I lose this argument so whatever
It’s always so easy to get upset by a narrative you create on your own. I mean, adhering to reality is so much work! Right?
You accused me of gaslighting people, like I'm some kind of abuser. That put me in a really bad place.
Here's reality: Biden is going to get me killed because he won't do what is best for the country and either resign or stop Trump permanently, and you all are telling me to support this genocidal mummy who would rather get me killed than do the right thing.
Maybe that makes me a little fucking stressed?
Nope. That’s not how it works. If you are purposefully going to withhold your vote in your own country because think you’re going to make some grassroots change to acts committed by another country- in another country.
then YOU are going to get you killed.
YOU have the ability to stop that shit. YOU can vote. Votes matter. And if your own safety and well being is worth the risk to make some stupid point-
Then you don’t get to put that on someone else. It’s FAR too late in the game to pretend you don’t know what’s at stake.
"Committed by another country" is horseshit, its committed by the US's unsinkable aircraft carrier with US bombs and US naval defense from its neighbors and US defense in the UN and would be impossible without the unlimited backing of the US government. This is our fault, 100%, I don't get to wash my hands of it just because it's being done on the other side of the world by a US proxy.
If my vote matters then I have a duty to use it to stop genocide, and this is the only way I can do it. Both the candidates support genocide, if either of them win then the genocide will only get worse. I see Biden being on death's door is a leverage point and so I am going to use it to increase the pressure, because if he gets replaced at the convention then we get a third choice!
They may still support Israel, but Biden has been a staunch Zionist his entire time in office. He's loyal to the bone. I actually don't know if they could find someone who is as loyal to Israel and Israel's interests as Joe Biden. If he gets replaced it might end.
And I get to blame you for throwing your support behind genocide instead of joining the push to replace Biden.
That’s some mighty fine propaganda you’ve got there. However, I’m going to guess that you didn’t even know where Palestine was from n a map prior to very recently. Like… within the past year.
Nor did you know that we’ve been supplying them weapons for decades. Or that they’ve been at war since the 40’s. Or that congress will send them weapons with or without the president’s approval.
Manufactured outrage is such an easy weapon to use against those that don’t think for themselves. Or even bother to try and understand the nuance to any given situation.
Let me help you to understand a bit of how all this works:
NOTHING is black and white that exists within the boundaries of reality. Especially with politics. And it’s VERY clear that you don’t understand how most of it works. So maybe try and look into what’s involved within the nuance. Start with this.
Because that Is just scratching the surface of the shit you are either not able to understand, or refusing to even try to.
Hope this helps.
I've hated Israel since they crushed Rachel Corrie with a fucking bulldozer in 2003, don't you fucking accuse me of not being aware of this genocidal settler-colonial state until recently. You accuse me of spreading propaganda and then post a fucking article that says the US is helpless and is legally forced to keep selling Israel weapons without limits forever. "Aw shucks, there's nothing Biden can do, he has to keep giving them billions of dollars of bombs to decapitate children in concentration camps!"
Let me help you understand how all this works.
The US can pull out of any agreement it wants. See: the Iran nuclear deal. This horseshit about the US being legally required to support Israel is mystification, the US can basically just do whatever it wants. This doesn't even get into the new Supreme Court decision, which basically just gave the President unlimited executive powers to execute the office's official duties.
Just letting readers know:
More accurate: Socialists will always choose to side with fascists over liberals, because they really just want authoritarianism.
Though it's probably more accurate to say "tankie" isntead of "socialist", but since you're referring to tankies as socialists, I'll do the same.
-Josef Stalin, May 9, 1945
Yeah... after Stalin worked with Hitler to carve up Poland. It was only when Hitler attacked Stalin that he begrudgingly got on the Allied side. Poland still got fucked by that asshole though.
Yes. That happened.
I mean, 2020 happened, he lost in a fair election. He did do crimes that should have landed him jail.
Now what? You’re saying it’s gonna happen this time?
As if that’s not gonna happen when Trump uses said powers? Indecisiveness will doom America. Act! The Heritage foundation, Trump, and the Republicans do. They ask for forgiveness, maybe, but not permission.
Indecisiveness = not assassinating the opponent?
America is doomed. Now both sides are calling for their chosen king to execute the other king. The experiment is over, hyper capitalism disguised as theology won. I want to vote for my chosen president in this election. This thread is telling me I should support my king executing the other king. Even if he gives up that power right after said execution, the president has made a precedent that the “checks and balances” are broken.
My prediction is that if an execution / forceful power grab is to happen, China will immediately invade the Phillipines and Taiwan, seeing the instability of the US, possibly Japan right after, since our new king will be too busy with the civil war or dismantling the government.
After that NATO and the EU will remove the US from any seat we have during said civil war, as we are no longer a democratic state.
The US arms companies will move to supplying the civil war in addition to just pumping Israel full of guns, maybe Russia too since it’s profitable and what even is regulation at this point.
By the time the US does stabilize, we’re a corporatocracy, as the only things left with real buying power are our tech companies and arms manufacturers, which at this point have their own mercenary security to defend against potential profit loss or have moved to other nations (Apple’s risk management division absolutely has these papers and plans drawn up seeing the political climate)
Canada will absolutely close its borders, and probably will be a hotbed of attempted immigration, ironically their right wing leaning government fighting the effects of our right wing government.
But yeah, we should yell at our king to assassinate the other potential king, instead of organizing, donating, campaigning and voting
Yes. Pretty much. Exactly. The alternative is Trump. So, yeah. Glad someone else recognizes America as we knew it is over.
You know the thought experiment where you go back in time and kill Hitler? We’re there. Take out Hitler.
The alternative is to do what Weimar Germany did and pretend it’s not happening, or, it won’t be that bad.
Learn from history.
That's bullshit. Most people I have talked to believe trump should be sentenced accordingly to the felonies he has been convicted of, not executed.
Sure, blowhards in their online echo chambers love to bloviate about all the doom and gloom, but we have seen enough propaganda as of late to question the veracity of these dubious claims.
Most Americans are pretty much fed up with politics at this point. But the misinformation needs to stop.
Hell no, this "When they go low, we go high, bullshit!" is why Roe Vs. Wade was overturned and if we continue that nonsense it will be why Gay Marriage is overturned.
And if donnie wins?
Curiouser and curiouser 🤨
Immunity only benefits criminals. Biden is not a criminal so doesn't get any benefit from the ruling.
The ruling only benefits criminal Presidents like Trump.
Criminals have to be convicted.
If you do crime and don't get convicted, you're innocent. That's how the judicial system works and the Court just confirmed Nixon was right: when the president does it it's not a crime.
What powers would you have him use to stop him?
The powers just granted to him by the Supreme Court.
Any "official act" done by the President is now constitutional. He couldn't, like, shoot Trump at the next debate with a gun he smuggled on stage. What he could do is, as President from the Oval Office, order Trump's motorcade to be droned.
You clearly don’t understand how this works. And I’m not going to waste the time to explain it to you. It’s way too late in the game for that shit.
You’re entirely wrong about how that works. Just know that.
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Cool, so you’re an admitted troll. It’s always a good thing when the gifts wrap themselves. I no longer have to take you seriously.
Your entire argument was "no ur rong" and so I responded with as much effort as you gave me.
So to summarize-
You say incorrect and grossly exaggerated bullshit- and if I so much as even try and tell you that you’re wrong-
You get to troll with impunity.
Riiiiiight…
Well, I hate to break it to you, but again- shit isn’t going to work that way. You see, there’s a thing called accountability. And you clearly have proven that you have none. So while you think you have made yourself a fun little “gotcha” moment- you’ve really only proven that you can’t hold your own.
It’s easy to talk shit when no one asks you to back it up.
Okay, here you go.
Here's what fucking Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor said in her dissent:
Biden can kill all his enemies and that's the law now. As long as it is an official act, it's constitutional.
WRONG and proof that you have no clue how any of this works.
“The dissent ignores parts of the majority opinion that expressly refute such claims. For example, the majority discussed how prosecutors could present evidence in a bribery case that a president “allegedly demanded, received, accepted, or agreed to receive or accept in return for being influenced in the performance of the act.” The prosecution can overcome the presumption of immunity with such evidence.
Indeed, the majority stated that Trump’s alleged “private scheme with private actors” to create alternative slates of electors “cannot be neatly categorized as falling within a particular presidential function.” If that is established by the trial court, then Trump’s actions would not be protected by any sort of immunity.
In defining official functions, the Court referenced constitutional and statutory authority. It also recognized that a president must be able to speak to the public on matters of public interest, as Trump did on Jan. 6, 2021. While some of us believe that Trump’s speech was entirely protected under the First Amendment, the justices suggested that it was also protected as a matter of immunity.
That is a far cry from a green light for death squads. The idea that Trump could not order a slate of fake electors but could order a slew of political assassinations finds little support in the actual opinion.”
There's disagreement among scholars.
It’s provenly NOT absolute immunity. Stop with the extremism. It’s dangerous. Yes, but he cannot make goon squads to go murderizing people at will.
Stop with the sensationalism. It only dilutes the water.
Does anyone else just not bother reading articles when they see it’s from The Daily Beast? I just don’t have the energy to deal with their paywall.
There wasn't one this time
I feel like their paywall has gotten more strict recently. I used to almost never get them (edit: on my pc with an adblocker. I did get them on mobile but now I’m seeing them on my pc too)
Agreed. Hell, I remember before they even had one.
Fortunately diet and lifestyle means you won't have to put up with it for long...
Reckon both these guys will be in the ground before the next election cycle comes around.
Trump is a foot in the door, there are some scary and actually intelligent people behind the scenes.
We’re in a frogs in the pot situation.
They said Bernie Sanders was too old 8 years ago yet he is still around.
It's going to be crazy when Trump gets elected, is unable to pass laws due to a stalemate in congress and then is replaced by an idiot genx/millenial four years later.
Why pass new laws when you can break them instead!?
I hope you’re right, but I don’t think you are.
I don’t expect to have meaningful or fair elections for the foreseeable future if the fascists win in November, to the point that I have contingency plans for various scenarios in that domain.
I fervently hope for the second two things to happen if the first one does.
Naw it's okay bro, he can just sign an executive order saying the law is passed. Official Act baby!
Sure but then the next President can repeal it. This happens now.