Why can't we just get rid of gendered restrooms altogether?
Just have a room with fully enclosed rooms for a toilet and then a common area for the sinks. Get rid of those stupid flimsy walls with cracks everywhere and two feet of space beneath the door and just have a bunch of individual rooms with a toilet in them. Guys can pee in a toilet, they don't need a uniral.
A lot of bathrooms in Sweden are like this. It's so nice to be able to go to the bathroom without people peeking at you through the stall cracks and hearing your every movement.
I've peed and shit in so many bathrooms with questionable walls in between the stalls. I have no shame when it comes to this. When I went to a summer camp, I would even use the stall without a door because it was the cleanest.
In my 46 years of life, I can't remember a single time anyone was "peeking" on me in the bathroom. What's going on in Sweden where this is a common occurrence that needs to be stopped?
And in my office now, even with floor to ceiling walls you can still hear am everything. I don't think it solves that problem at all.
There's at least one high school in Minneapolis that's done this. Apparently it's actually going really well.
Because the pearl clutchers won't let them.
My college dorm was like this. Every bathroom was ungendered. The stalls weren't fully floor to ceiling, but were slightly better than the average public bathroom. 99% of people got over it after a little culture shock at the very beginning (maybe 2-3 days).
There was still one women-only bathroom in my building; I believe it was for a few students who asked for religious consideration. No biggie though for almost every student.
It only led to one embarrassing moment for me: I (a guy) was singing Frank Ocean at the top of my lungs while showering. When I came out of the shower a girl was brushing her teeth and made eye contact with me and kind of snickered/giggled. Racewalked back to my room đź’€
My college dorm wasn't like that. It was mixed-gender housing, but there was only one big bathroom per floor. So half the students had to go up or down when they wanted to go to the bathroom.
But of course that's not how it worked in reality. After everyone got comfortable, a lot of people just started using the one on their floor, regardless of how it was signed. Turns out most people really aren't pieces of shit.
I will not give up urinals. They're so much faster and more efficient. Have you SEEN the lines for women's restrooms?
Yeah, that's the one down side, but instead of two restrooms with 4 stalls + 2 stalls & 2 Urinals you can have one restroom with 8 stalls. Probably won't have as big of a line since it's not as limited.
You can fit way more urinals in available space than you can toilets.
just put urinals in every stall kinda like how outhouses have a urinal and a seat. We have the technology to do this!
As much as I agree, that will cost money, therefore it won't happen. I feel the only way a place will do anything that I beneficial to the end user/customer is if it is profitable for them.
I’ve starting to see more of those and I love them. They have shared sinks but closest for toilets.
It’s nice.
You can also have cameras in the hand washing area without violating anyone’s privacy this way.
Such a simple solution to this whole stupid thing.
“She believes that referring to another person using pronouns that do not correspond with that person’s biological sex is harmful to that person because it is false and harmful to herself because it forces her to lie by denying her religious beliefs and scientific evidence,” it continues.
Do you need another strand of pearls because you clutched the first one too hard, Karen?
No, but I could use some chalk. My brain hands were slipping during that round of mental gymnastics.
Someone should send her a box of white bead necklaces lmao
Can trans students sue to avoid sharing a restroom with cis classmates?
Can students sue to avoid sharing a restroom with bigots if that is against my religion?
Can I sue to avoid sharing a bathroom with anyone?
This seems to have some merit.
I would support this lawsuit. With an added provision that if it must be a shared public bathroom, if someone talks to you for a non-emergency reason: 10 years to life. Especially if they try to have an actual chat. That's just felonious.
Can we have eye contact be a gross misdemeanor?
Definitely.
There's no previous cases of assault or harassment of cis people by trans people for using the bathroom. Their fears are not valid. It's as valid as a student suing because they have a phobia of the color grey and can't be forced to use a bathroom that has any grey in it.
The stupidest part to me is that cis women could also potentially assault other cis women in public restrooms but these bigots haven’t even considered that possibility.
Also, if you are a cis man and are just desperate to sexually assault a woman in a public restroom, I would think that a janitor’s uniform and a mop would be enough.
Or even the concept that trans men exist. They are demanding to share restrooms with men, on the grounds that otherwise they may have to share restrooms with people they think are men.
Absolutely. And when I see one of these white knights (and it's almost always a man) talk about how women have to be protected from men in public bathrooms and locker rooms and therefore people should only be forced to use the room corresponding to their biological sex, I show a picture of a man like this and ask them if they think the women they are desperate to protect would feel comfortable changing around him, despite his two X chromosomes.
Cab I, a cis person, sue for being required to share a bathroom with other cis people?
I don't want to share bathrooms, thank you. That's a violation of my religious beliefs (in my religion, pooping is a sin).
Why are we letting conservatives into public restrooms? They are notorious child-rapists and are known to attack innocent people in bathrooms if they don't like the look of them.
There is no room for conservatism or other hate-based ideologies in a modern civilization.
None of this would even be a problem if bathrooms had stalls that went floor to ceiling, and so much of why that's the case boils down to people thinking it's important to police what people are doing in the bathroom. I've heard people say the bathrooms can't be private for all kinds of things including this, drug use, sex, interpersonal violence, homeless people taking sink baths, and more.
Like it's actually my job to watch people shit and piss sometimes for various reasons, even when they don't want me to, but I have to have a specific reason that applies to behavior that specific person has already done or explicitly threatened (usually suicidal behaviors, hidden weapons, or somebody just being too bull-headed to recognize that they need help walking to not smash their head into the porcelain throne) and I don't even like doing it then because of how much of a massive pain in the ass it is for everyone involved and it's just absolutely wild to me that there's people out there doing it more or less for funsies and often specifically to children. There was a gym teacher at my highschool that made it their mission to stop the saggy pants fashion trend that would go around tugging on boys pants to see if they would just fall down. Thank god our admins were smart enough to realize they couldn't just let a teacher wander around ripping kids clothes off in public (although I guess in private would be even worse) and quickly put a stop to that.
Its even a disability thing, people will police people using the disability stalls not realizing that some people who can otherwise walk need the handrails to sit and raise from the toilet without falling, among other inobvious disabilities (I've got IBS, I'm taking whatever stall is free first and if it's the handrail one so be it; I'm a human being who deserves the dignity of not shitting myself in a Walmart). This isn't to invalidate the unique struggles of the trans experience (I'm starting to look masc enough that I'm getting weird looks in the bathroom myself), but like. LET HUMANS SHIT IN PEACE 2k24!
2k24 is the same number of key presses as 2024
But less spoken syllables when I read it in my head.
Sure, and same if you say it to someone too
Agree. Some people just need to mind their own business. Unless someone is getting hurt, then just mind your own business and don’t get involved.
I remember a woman entering a men’s bathroom before because the queue was long. The only reason I was upset was because if a man did they same he may get in trouble.
At least it rarely happens that way, most men can get through the urinals pretty quick, I have to stop and clean the seat and everything.
Sounds a bit like the ol' 'gay panic' defense.
Sounds like Jim Crow era segregation
Next up trans and cis waterfountains.
Ugh it made me cringe writing that. Hateful people ruin everything
That's exactly what it is. "These children could be raped by a trans person!" Or they could be raped by a cis person. Of their own gender or another gender.
In general, it's not hard to find a time to sneak into a bathroom when no one's looking. It's not like they're usually in some prominent place.
Cool, they want to return to separate but equal. Fucking weirdos.
I don't think they're interested in the "equal" part at all.
It never was equal, tho. Thats just the mantra they used to justify the segregation
“She believes that referring to another person using pronouns that do not correspond with that person’s biological sex is harmful to that person because it is false and harmful to herself because it forces her to lie by denying her religious beliefs and scientific evidence,” it continues.
I hate this argument. I’m conservatives and I will try to use the pronouns of choice. To me it’s just being polite. It’s like a name preference. You try to respect it. If you religion teaches you to be an asshole to everyone then it’s time to rethink your religion.
The American right: "I am so aroused by pissing and shitting and farting that I cannot pee downward if trans children are in earshot of me!"
It is amazing how few problems people have that they have the time and energy to spend on non issues like this.
America is a nation full of people with nothing to complain about, complaining about nothing.
Nah, I am be a Swede, but I can definately see that Americans have stuff to complain about.
The problem is that the right people are complaining about the wrong thing.
Can the trans students sue for being harassed and bullied? That would be great
My daughter has a very close trans friend (who the school forces to use the girl's room anyway). A girl was being a bigot to him in the bathroom, so he slapped her. Guess who did not get in trouble?
Hint: not the openly queer one.
Okay fine, fine, the boys don't have to share a bathroom with trans girls anymore.
Just a reminder that you can sue for just about anything. That doesn't mean you have a chance in hell of winning.
Simple protest is just smash urinals or pour something like concrete into them. After a couple repairs, they will just start replacing them all with stalls... then there will be no difference between bathrooms.
A lot of schools rip the doors off the stalls so everyone can see you pooping
Well that's good. I don't want to constantly deal with suicidal people in my room
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Why can't we just get rid of gendered restrooms altogether?
Just have a room with fully enclosed rooms for a toilet and then a common area for the sinks. Get rid of those stupid flimsy walls with cracks everywhere and two feet of space beneath the door and just have a bunch of individual rooms with a toilet in them. Guys can pee in a toilet, they don't need a uniral.
A lot of bathrooms in Sweden are like this. It's so nice to be able to go to the bathroom without people peeking at you through the stall cracks and hearing your every movement.
I've peed and shit in so many bathrooms with questionable walls in between the stalls. I have no shame when it comes to this. When I went to a summer camp, I would even use the stall without a door because it was the cleanest.
In my 46 years of life, I can't remember a single time anyone was "peeking" on me in the bathroom. What's going on in Sweden where this is a common occurrence that needs to be stopped?
And in my office now, even with floor to ceiling walls you can still hear am everything. I don't think it solves that problem at all.
There's at least one high school in Minneapolis that's done this. Apparently it's actually going really well.
Because the pearl clutchers won't let them.
My college dorm was like this. Every bathroom was ungendered. The stalls weren't fully floor to ceiling, but were slightly better than the average public bathroom. 99% of people got over it after a little culture shock at the very beginning (maybe 2-3 days).
There was still one women-only bathroom in my building; I believe it was for a few students who asked for religious consideration. No biggie though for almost every student.
It only led to one embarrassing moment for me: I (a guy) was singing Frank Ocean at the top of my lungs while showering. When I came out of the shower a girl was brushing her teeth and made eye contact with me and kind of snickered/giggled. Racewalked back to my room đź’€
My college dorm wasn't like that. It was mixed-gender housing, but there was only one big bathroom per floor. So half the students had to go up or down when they wanted to go to the bathroom.
But of course that's not how it worked in reality. After everyone got comfortable, a lot of people just started using the one on their floor, regardless of how it was signed. Turns out most people really aren't pieces of shit.
I will not give up urinals. They're so much faster and more efficient. Have you SEEN the lines for women's restrooms?
Yeah, that's the one down side, but instead of two restrooms with 4 stalls + 2 stalls & 2 Urinals you can have one restroom with 8 stalls. Probably won't have as big of a line since it's not as limited.
You can fit way more urinals in available space than you can toilets.
just put urinals in every stall kinda like how outhouses have a urinal and a seat. We have the technology to do this!
As much as I agree, that will cost money, therefore it won't happen. I feel the only way a place will do anything that I beneficial to the end user/customer is if it is profitable for them.
I’ve starting to see more of those and I love them. They have shared sinks but closest for toilets. It’s nice.
You can also have cameras in the hand washing area without violating anyone’s privacy this way.
Such a simple solution to this whole stupid thing.
Do you need another strand of pearls because you clutched the first one too hard, Karen?
No, but I could use some chalk. My brain hands were slipping during that round of mental gymnastics.
Someone should send her a box of white bead necklaces lmao
Can trans students sue to avoid sharing a restroom with cis classmates?
Can students sue to avoid sharing a restroom with bigots if that is against my religion?
Can I sue to avoid sharing a bathroom with anyone?
This seems to have some merit.
I would support this lawsuit. With an added provision that if it must be a shared public bathroom, if someone talks to you for a non-emergency reason: 10 years to life. Especially if they try to have an actual chat. That's just felonious.
Can we have eye contact be a gross misdemeanor?
Definitely.
There's no previous cases of assault or harassment of cis people by trans people for using the bathroom. Their fears are not valid. It's as valid as a student suing because they have a phobia of the color grey and can't be forced to use a bathroom that has any grey in it.
The stupidest part to me is that cis women could also potentially assault other cis women in public restrooms but these bigots haven’t even considered that possibility.
Also, if you are a cis man and are just desperate to sexually assault a woman in a public restroom, I would think that a janitor’s uniform and a mop would be enough.
Or even the concept that trans men exist. They are demanding to share restrooms with men, on the grounds that otherwise they may have to share restrooms with people they think are men.
Absolutely. And when I see one of these white knights (and it's almost always a man) talk about how women have to be protected from men in public bathrooms and locker rooms and therefore people should only be forced to use the room corresponding to their biological sex, I show a picture of a man like this and ask them if they think the women they are desperate to protect would feel comfortable changing around him, despite his two X chromosomes.
Cab I, a cis person, sue for being required to share a bathroom with other cis people?
I don't want to share bathrooms, thank you. That's a violation of my religious beliefs (in my religion, pooping is a sin).
Why are we letting conservatives into public restrooms? They are notorious child-rapists and are known to attack innocent people in bathrooms if they don't like the look of them.
There is no room for conservatism or other hate-based ideologies in a modern civilization.
None of this would even be a problem if bathrooms had stalls that went floor to ceiling, and so much of why that's the case boils down to people thinking it's important to police what people are doing in the bathroom. I've heard people say the bathrooms can't be private for all kinds of things including this, drug use, sex, interpersonal violence, homeless people taking sink baths, and more.
Like it's actually my job to watch people shit and piss sometimes for various reasons, even when they don't want me to, but I have to have a specific reason that applies to behavior that specific person has already done or explicitly threatened (usually suicidal behaviors, hidden weapons, or somebody just being too bull-headed to recognize that they need help walking to not smash their head into the porcelain throne) and I don't even like doing it then because of how much of a massive pain in the ass it is for everyone involved and it's just absolutely wild to me that there's people out there doing it more or less for funsies and often specifically to children. There was a gym teacher at my highschool that made it their mission to stop the saggy pants fashion trend that would go around tugging on boys pants to see if they would just fall down. Thank god our admins were smart enough to realize they couldn't just let a teacher wander around ripping kids clothes off in public (although I guess in private would be even worse) and quickly put a stop to that.
Its even a disability thing, people will police people using the disability stalls not realizing that some people who can otherwise walk need the handrails to sit and raise from the toilet without falling, among other inobvious disabilities (I've got IBS, I'm taking whatever stall is free first and if it's the handrail one so be it; I'm a human being who deserves the dignity of not shitting myself in a Walmart). This isn't to invalidate the unique struggles of the trans experience (I'm starting to look masc enough that I'm getting weird looks in the bathroom myself), but like. LET HUMANS SHIT IN PEACE 2k24!
2k24 is the same number of key presses as 2024
But less spoken syllables when I read it in my head.
Sure, and same if you say it to someone too
Agree. Some people just need to mind their own business. Unless someone is getting hurt, then just mind your own business and don’t get involved.
I remember a woman entering a men’s bathroom before because the queue was long. The only reason I was upset was because if a man did they same he may get in trouble.
At least it rarely happens that way, most men can get through the urinals pretty quick, I have to stop and clean the seat and everything.
Sounds a bit like the ol' 'gay panic' defense.
Sounds like Jim Crow era segregation
Next up trans and cis waterfountains.
Ugh it made me cringe writing that. Hateful people ruin everything
That's exactly what it is. "These children could be raped by a trans person!" Or they could be raped by a cis person. Of their own gender or another gender.
In general, it's not hard to find a time to sneak into a bathroom when no one's looking. It's not like they're usually in some prominent place.
Cool, they want to return to separate but equal. Fucking weirdos.
I don't think they're interested in the "equal" part at all.
It never was equal, tho. Thats just the mantra they used to justify the segregation
I hate this argument. I’m conservatives and I will try to use the pronouns of choice. To me it’s just being polite. It’s like a name preference. You try to respect it. If you religion teaches you to be an asshole to everyone then it’s time to rethink your religion.
The American right: "I am so aroused by pissing and shitting and farting that I cannot pee downward if trans children are in earshot of me!"
It is amazing how few problems people have that they have the time and energy to spend on non issues like this.
America is a nation full of people with nothing to complain about, complaining about nothing.
Nah, I am be a Swede, but I can definately see that Americans have stuff to complain about.
The problem is that the right people are complaining about the wrong thing.
Can the trans students sue for being harassed and bullied? That would be great
My daughter has a very close trans friend (who the school forces to use the girl's room anyway). A girl was being a bigot to him in the bathroom, so he slapped her. Guess who did not get in trouble?
Hint: not the openly queer one.
Okay fine, fine, the boys don't have to share a bathroom with trans girls anymore.
Just a reminder that you can sue for just about anything. That doesn't mean you have a chance in hell of winning.
Simple protest is just smash urinals or pour something like concrete into them. After a couple repairs, they will just start replacing them all with stalls... then there will be no difference between bathrooms.
A lot of schools rip the doors off the stalls so everyone can see you pooping
Well that's good. I don't want to constantly deal with suicidal people in my room
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