The article is truly representative of a sleazy drama - and that's putting it nice. We learn that Oliver condemned the post:
Chase Oliver, the Libertarian Party’s presidential nominee, condemned the since-deleted post.
That's great.
But then the LPNH responded - to him - their candidate leader, I stress... as follows:
The Libertarian Party of New Hampshire responded to Oliver’s statement, telling him to “f*** off” and “read any book on libertarianism.” They went on to call him a homophobic slur.
It's seemingly out of The Onion - except it's for real.
American libertarianism is great. Most of them have vastly different ideas of what libertarianism is or should be, and none of those ideas work.
What you don't want to do whatever you want and pay no taxes but still want the government to supply you with infrastructure?
Seconding this book recommendation. I started skim reading it a few months ago, and it was so entertaining it pulled me in.
Hey hey, many of those dipshits moved into NH to try and take over the state because we already had slightly crazy politics.
Because NH has 400 stare representatives (and 24 more state senators), it’s easy to get morons elected in small towns. As with most libertarian “plans” though, it didn’t work for very long.
I always wonder why democrats don’t form a plan to take over Wyoming. It’s a very small state. Get together 100k people to move out there over the course of the next decade or so. It’s a lovely state too.
From what I read, it seemed like the problem was more with libertariansthan it was with libertarianism.
Like, the type of person that would leave their homes to live in a town they read about online that promises a libertarian mecha… of course it’s gonna fail. I bet if you get similar demographics of dudes that support Bernie Sanders, that town would fail too.
I don’t doubt that Libertarianism would be terrible for 99% of people, and incredible for 1%, but I doubt it would fail this spectacularly.
The problem is that American Libertarians aren't libertarian. They're masquerading economic liberals.
The reason their government has failed and always will fail. Is because they are against government itself. All but the most dogmatic, ideological, and importantly antisocial anarchist and actual libertarians recognize the need for government and it's existence. They just believe it should be largely flat, answerable, and as much as possible based in consent. Even national/federal goverment is acceptable depending on structure and ability.
American Libertarians only support government that protects their personal privilege. And nothing else.
And while it's possible for any group to fail. No other group self sabotages so completely from the start.
Because the LP of NH isn't more than a bunch of bigots and racist hiding behind the LP name. It's like the worst people from every party decided to go and join it.
Guy threatens to assassinate presidential candidate
Cops: I sleep
Guy steals 3.50$ subway fare
Cops: Real shit!
Libertarians are truly the most oppressed minority.
NH Libertarians describing themselves
Yall chucklefucks do know that that saying is meant to be used derisively, right? Fuck, even African/Native American trans folks don't genuinely refer to themselves as "the most oppressed minority" and you fucks certainly aren't more oppressed than them.
Also, just for anyone who isn't aware the NH Libertarians are famously batshit insane beyond MAGA or regular Libertarians.
They are, indeed. It’s just embarrassing to the state.
If things ever get truly awful just drive west and offer to help with tree tapping!
MEEE VEEECTEEEM
People that want to be able to yell “fire” in packed theatres without consequences and own nuclear weapons at home are truly the most oppressed ideology.
Falsely.
Libertarians are just another sect of the GOP. They are the same party.
Libertarians are even dumber than Republicans. Which is saying something.
Ehhh. I'd say it's a different kind of dumb.
Libertarians are just Nazis who want to be able use cryptocurrency for weed and pedophilia.
Let's be real, weed is their excuse but they all want coke and opiates.
Libertarians are repubs without the religion and/smoke weed
Importantly, they split the vote though.
This shit has to stop. 🤬
This is how civil wars start...
I think that's been the Russian plan. Break cohesion and let us flounder. Murdock, whether he fully knows it or not, is useful to that end.
honestly im kinda surprised we didn't get a lot of violence when trump lost in 2020
edit: I meant a full civil war
From memory and a couple quick Google searches
January 6th, including both the violence at the national Capitol and related, often violent protests outside verious state capitols
Death threats to election count and poll workers
Republican legislator invites armed men into the Oregon State Capitol during a protest
Armed protestors rally around the tallying center in Detroit while the count was ongoing
Brawl with counterprotestors at the "million Maga march"
Violent "Stop the steal" protests in Sacramento
I wouldn't say there was just a little violence after the 2020 loss
I cannot imagine a situation in which Kamala Harris is assassinated that doesn’t end in either president walz or a coup.
Assassination is politically unpopular even against unpopular candidates, and Walz seems extremely popular.
New hampshire has a bunch of fuckhead fools
Have you been there?
In terms of "states" I lump New Hampshire in with Vermont. There's something about the people in the region that blurs the border; you cannot tell when you've crossed from one state to the next, save for the signs or by checking your position on a map. Their defining feature is the piles of garbage in their front yards, as natural to the landscape as rocks. The half-built cars, the half-destroyed cars; the falling-down outbuildings, roofs covered with blue tarps, one after another; the metal monstrosities, talking about like "oh let's take this snow groomer, and strap an airplane body to the top, leave it in the front yard for the next sixty years." And this is just what you can see from the road. These are houses with curb appeal. The real weird shit is at the houses and dilapidated outbuildings that you can't see from the road. Gotta get three or four locals together to make a full set of teeth. YMMV.
Most of Vermont and NH is nothing like this. I've lived there, near Brattleboro (which is literally on the border with NH), in the upper northeastern part of the state near NH in the middle of nowhere, and in Montpelier. I drove around VT and NH pretty extensively.
I also had a girlfriend that lived in Hanover, NH so was driving up there a lot; Hanover is admittedly unique in NH. I ski, MTB, hike, 4 wheel, snowmobile, hunt, and fish, so I've truly crawled around a large majority of the entirety of both states.
There are extremely rural locations in both states that look like many rural places anywhere in the United States -- in fact, much nicer than many of the rural places in the US I've been down south and in the upper Midwest. I've literally never seen "piles of garbage" in front yards during the thousands of miles I've traveled around the states. I have seen trucks and ATVs being worked on in in various stages of disassembly in yards in the backwoods, but that's how it is in the backwoods. You're not exactly going to bring it to a mechanic.
That said, there is a very clear difference between NH and VT. While many parts of NH are quite nice, I would agree that there are some parts of NH that mildly fit your description. There are less places like that in VT, but I suppose if you looked hard enough, you'd find them.
But overall, your characterization doesn't fit either of the states. They're both beautiful New England states. I intend to move back to Vermont in the next few years because it's so pleasant.
Where are you living in NH/VT? I find your descriptions completely bizarre.
I only vacation there and usually only to rural places for wilderness activities, hunting or fishing, exploring, though I think I've visited most of the cities. I should have said I was not talking about the cities. And yes, absolutely, lots of great towns mixed throughout both states. I think it's the fact that I'm mostly looking for remote places when I visit.
The world has been shaking its head at USA for ages... what a circus.!
This isn't an American problem, it's a conservative problem. I guarantee it's happening wherever you live as well. Hopefully not as loudly though
I understand why they'd want you to believe this, but honestly it is not normal in most of the world.
Yep, no racism and bigotry in China, India, Russia, Brazil, Pakistan, UK, etc etc. Doesn't exist.
It's also not "normal" in the US.
What a weird list. 5 regressive countries (including mine) and a western country which isn't anywhere near USA when it comes to political insanity.
I picked a handful of examples, which among other things, comprise most of the people in the world.
You're saying that they don't have significant racism, bigotry, and/or crazy right-wing or fascist movements?
Of course they do.
They also don't pride themselves as greatest country on earth.
And if they do, no one takes them seriously, what with their insignificant armies and small economies compared to the great USA.
Yes, yes, US bad.
You have to be pretty fucking stupid if that's what you got out of this conversation.
Uh huh.
You're bringing China, Brazil, Russia, India, and Pakistan in the discussion when discussing problems in USA.
If you can't why that's fucking dumb then 'uh huh' indeed.
Apparently when you say "most of the world" you also don't understand that involved more than just the US in the conversation? Sounds pretty dumb to me.
But fine, go on being a jackass to strangers on the Internet. Won't be me, I won't see whatever the next antisocial thing you reply with.
The article is truly representative of a sleazy drama - and that's putting it nice. We learn that Oliver condemned the post:
That's great.
But then the LPNH responded - to him - their candidate leader, I stress... as follows:
It's seemingly out of The Onion - except it's for real.
I have a suggestion.
A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear. Bonus points because it's even about New Hampshire libertarians.
American libertarianism is great. Most of them have vastly different ideas of what libertarianism is or should be, and none of those ideas work.
What you don't want to do whatever you want and pay no taxes but still want the government to supply you with infrastructure?
Seconding this book recommendation. I started skim reading it a few months ago, and it was so entertaining it pulled me in.
Hey hey, many of those dipshits moved into NH to try and take over the state because we already had slightly crazy politics.
Because NH has 400 stare representatives (and 24 more state senators), it’s easy to get morons elected in small towns. As with most libertarian “plans” though, it didn’t work for very long.
I always wonder why democrats don’t form a plan to take over Wyoming. It’s a very small state. Get together 100k people to move out there over the course of the next decade or so. It’s a lovely state too.
From what I read, it seemed like the problem was more with libertariansthan it was with libertarianism.
Like, the type of person that would leave their homes to live in a town they read about online that promises a libertarian mecha… of course it’s gonna fail. I bet if you get similar demographics of dudes that support Bernie Sanders, that town would fail too.
I don’t doubt that Libertarianism would be terrible for 99% of people, and incredible for 1%, but I doubt it would fail this spectacularly.
The problem is that American Libertarians aren't libertarian. They're masquerading economic liberals.
The reason their government has failed and always will fail. Is because they are against government itself. All but the most dogmatic, ideological, and importantly antisocial anarchist and actual libertarians recognize the need for government and it's existence. They just believe it should be largely flat, answerable, and as much as possible based in consent. Even national/federal goverment is acceptable depending on structure and ability.
American Libertarians only support government that protects their personal privilege. And nothing else.
And while it's possible for any group to fail. No other group self sabotages so completely from the start.
Because the LP of NH isn't more than a bunch of bigots and racist hiding behind the LP name. It's like the worst people from every party decided to go and join it.
If you want to know why it feels like that,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project
That may have contributed.
O it %100 contributed to it.
Oh so, the libertarian party of....every state in the US
Did you even read the article? No it's not like every LP in every state.
Yep, just about sums up the Libertarian Party nation wide!
They have not progressed since this incident
Guy threatens to assassinate presidential candidate
Cops: I sleep
Guy steals 3.50$ subway fare
Cops: Real shit!
Yall chucklefucks do know that that saying is meant to be used derisively, right? Fuck, even African/Native American trans folks don't genuinely refer to themselves as "the most oppressed minority" and you fucks certainly aren't more oppressed than them.
Also, just for anyone who isn't aware the NH Libertarians are famously batshit insane beyond MAGA or regular Libertarians.
They are, indeed. It’s just embarrassing to the state.
If things ever get truly awful just drive west and offer to help with tree tapping!
MEEE VEEECTEEEM
People that want to be able to yell “fire” in packed theatres without consequences and own nuclear weapons at home are truly the most oppressed ideology.
Falsely.
Libertarians are just another sect of the GOP. They are the same party.
Libertarians are even dumber than Republicans. Which is saying something.
Ehhh. I'd say it's a different kind of dumb.
Libertarians are just Nazis who want to be able use cryptocurrency for weed and pedophilia.
Let's be real, weed is their excuse but they all want coke and opiates.
Libertarians are repubs without the religion and/smoke weed
Importantly, they split the vote though.
This shit has to stop. 🤬
This is how civil wars start...
I think that's been the Russian plan. Break cohesion and let us flounder. Murdock, whether he fully knows it or not, is useful to that end.
honestly im kinda surprised we didn't get a lot of violence when trump lost in 2020
edit: I meant a full civil war
From memory and a couple quick Google searches
I wouldn't say there was just a little violence after the 2020 loss
I cannot imagine a situation in which Kamala Harris is assassinated that doesn’t end in either president walz or a coup.
Assassination is politically unpopular even against unpopular candidates, and Walz seems extremely popular.
New hampshire has a bunch of fuckhead fools
Have you been there?
In terms of "states" I lump New Hampshire in with Vermont. There's something about the people in the region that blurs the border; you cannot tell when you've crossed from one state to the next, save for the signs or by checking your position on a map. Their defining feature is the piles of garbage in their front yards, as natural to the landscape as rocks. The half-built cars, the half-destroyed cars; the falling-down outbuildings, roofs covered with blue tarps, one after another; the metal monstrosities, talking about like "oh let's take this snow groomer, and strap an airplane body to the top, leave it in the front yard for the next sixty years." And this is just what you can see from the road. These are houses with curb appeal. The real weird shit is at the houses and dilapidated outbuildings that you can't see from the road. Gotta get three or four locals together to make a full set of teeth. YMMV.
Most of Vermont and NH is nothing like this. I've lived there, near Brattleboro (which is literally on the border with NH), in the upper northeastern part of the state near NH in the middle of nowhere, and in Montpelier. I drove around VT and NH pretty extensively.
I also had a girlfriend that lived in Hanover, NH so was driving up there a lot; Hanover is admittedly unique in NH. I ski, MTB, hike, 4 wheel, snowmobile, hunt, and fish, so I've truly crawled around a large majority of the entirety of both states.
There are extremely rural locations in both states that look like many rural places anywhere in the United States -- in fact, much nicer than many of the rural places in the US I've been down south and in the upper Midwest. I've literally never seen "piles of garbage" in front yards during the thousands of miles I've traveled around the states. I have seen trucks and ATVs being worked on in in various stages of disassembly in yards in the backwoods, but that's how it is in the backwoods. You're not exactly going to bring it to a mechanic.
That said, there is a very clear difference between NH and VT. While many parts of NH are quite nice, I would agree that there are some parts of NH that mildly fit your description. There are less places like that in VT, but I suppose if you looked hard enough, you'd find them.
But overall, your characterization doesn't fit either of the states. They're both beautiful New England states. I intend to move back to Vermont in the next few years because it's so pleasant.
Where are you living in NH/VT? I find your descriptions completely bizarre.
I only vacation there and usually only to rural places for wilderness activities, hunting or fishing, exploring, though I think I've visited most of the cities. I should have said I was not talking about the cities. And yes, absolutely, lots of great towns mixed throughout both states. I think it's the fact that I'm mostly looking for remote places when I visit.
Wait til you hear what ancaps are saying.
I have a feeling that Oliver is not going to be elected as the party president... considering the whole being a insert homophobic slur here and all.
lol. Not at all controlled by Russia
Careful she has a red light saber! Pretty sure she is a sith?
Thank goodness - I thought maybe I was the only one who saw that!
Just two nerds alone on the Internet.
Make it three.
Don't make it weird.
Any of you other dorks think she's holding it at a dooku-like angle?
they've been off their rocker for a while
OK, now I'm thinking the LPNH is a troll, because their response to the party leader is funny as hell.
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The world has been shaking its head at USA for ages... what a circus.!
This isn't an American problem, it's a conservative problem. I guarantee it's happening wherever you live as well. Hopefully not as loudly though
I understand why they'd want you to believe this, but honestly it is not normal in most of the world.
Yep, no racism and bigotry in China, India, Russia, Brazil, Pakistan, UK, etc etc. Doesn't exist.
It's also not "normal" in the US.
What a weird list. 5 regressive countries (including mine) and a western country which isn't anywhere near USA when it comes to political insanity.
I picked a handful of examples, which among other things, comprise most of the people in the world.
You're saying that they don't have significant racism, bigotry, and/or crazy right-wing or fascist movements?
Of course they do.
They also don't pride themselves as greatest country on earth.
And if they do, no one takes them seriously, what with their insignificant armies and small economies compared to the great USA.
Yes, yes, US bad.
You have to be pretty fucking stupid if that's what you got out of this conversation.
Uh huh.
You're bringing China, Brazil, Russia, India, and Pakistan in the discussion when discussing problems in USA.
If you can't why that's fucking dumb then 'uh huh' indeed.
Apparently when you say "most of the world" you also don't understand that involved more than just the US in the conversation? Sounds pretty dumb to me.
But fine, go on being a jackass to strangers on the Internet. Won't be me, I won't see whatever the next antisocial thing you reply with.
A lot of elections have swung to the right/far right. Look at Italy and Germany. France had to unite the left to stop it.