Well, this is terrifying. The experience of slowly becoming not only a "product" but almost an "enemy of the state" has been surreal and disheartening to say the least.
Descent into fascism
Anyone else ever wish they were never born?
nope, just other people.
Only on days that end with "y"
Sex helps
Where do I find this “sex” you speak of. Probably would help if I didn’t have to work 60 hours a week….
Of course they are.
A pertinent point that Solzhenitsyn made in Gulag Archipelago - he said that in all the time he spent in the gulags, he never once met a person who had not been legitimately convicted of a genuine crime.
The way it worked was simply that the USSR had such an extensive and nebulous set of laws that it was effectively impossible for anyone to obey all of them all the time, and so much information on all its citizens that whenever an official wanted someone disappeared, it was just a matter of checking through their records and finding which law(s) they had broken, then arresting them, trying them and convicting them.
The US oligarchy is actively pursuing the same basic strategy, and for the same basic reasons.
Just my tin-foil hat opinion, but if anyone thinks the US is not heading towards a surveillance State on par with China, then I have a bridge to sell you.
I'm guessing virtually every government in the world is surveilling and collecting data on as many people as they can. I don't think that's tinfoil at all but actually a part of the job of modern intelligence. The only (sorta) counterbalance citizens have is the concept of citizen's rights (including privacy), which may legally barely exist (if at all) in other countries.
I don’t think that’s a tin-foil hat opinion.
In Virginia you now have to show your government ID to view a porn site. Welcome to the nanny state
Fairly longwinded article on the US government buying data to skip on getting warrants.
The size and scope of the government effort to accumulate data revealing the minute details of Americans' lives are described soberly and at length by the director's own panel of experts in a newly declassified report. Haines had first tasked her advisers in late 2021 with untangling a web of secretive business arrangements between commercial data brokers and US intelligence community members.
What that report ended up saying constitutes a nightmare scenario for privacy defenders.
“This report reveals what we feared most,” says Sean Vitka, a policy attorney at the nonprofit Demand Progress. “Intelligence agencies are flouting the law and buying information about Americans that Congress and the Supreme Court have made clear the government should not have.”
In the shadow of years of inaction by the US Congress on comprehensive privacy reform, a surveillance state has been quietly growing in the legal system's cracks. Little deference is paid by prosecutors to the purpose or intent behind limits traditionally imposed on domestic surveillance activities. More craven interpretations of aging laws are widely used to ignore them. As the framework guarding what privacy Americans do have grows increasingly frail, opportunities abound to split hairs in court over whether such rights are even enjoyed by our digital counterparts.
“I’ve been warning for years that if using a credit card to buy an American’s personal information voids their Fourth Amendment rights, then traditional checks and balances for government surveillance will crumble,” Ron Wyden, a US senator from Oregon, says.
Thanks 🙏🏻
It's already extremely easy for LE to drum up basically whatever charge and stick it to you, for the majority of citizens with no funds for a lawyer.
We've already got the plate scanners. Everytime I drive by one, my file pops as a red flag and a stop is more than likely, just to "check in" with me, usually with some false pretense like "i thought your window was cracked, my bad, but where you going tonight?" I'm not technically on paper, but I am treated as such. Easy arrest potential with some bs probable cause.
The fact that it will continue to go further doesn't surprise me. Makes the job even easier for them. If you aren't a good consumer, you will be prosecuted.
It’s the modern day equivalent of “you’re not from around here.”
The hilarious part (in a bleak fashion), is I can't find many other articles discussing this.
Then everyone will panic and go crazy when someone like Trump wins and they have access to all this. History repeats.
I can’t find many other articles discussing this.
We've known they've been doing this since at least Snowden, what's the story?
Remember that government agency that hoovers up all our data? Yeah, they're still doing that. Only they don't have to try as hard because they can just buy our info instead of snooping for it (but they're also still snooping).
Maybe it's good to remind people it's still happening because apparently everyone forgot we were told they've been doing this, for a while.
What really blows my mind are the people who attack Snowden while claiming this mass data collection is perfectly fine.
I love the "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide..."
I usually respond to those folks with "Can I watch you fuck your spouse? You're not doing anything wrong, they're your spouse, so you shouldn't have anything to hide"
The crazy part is, I've gotten a few enthusiastic "Yes" responses to that...
Yes and no - prism and related programs weren't that big a deal (besides morally and legally) - the NSA was collecting far more data than they could use at scale. It was a problem, but realistically it wouldn't affect normal people - you'd have to catch a lot of attention first to even be searched in that system. It couldn't be used for law enforcement or anything wide scale - the collection was there, but the analysis didn't scale
It was a problem because of where we are now - AI advancement means not only can they now process the insane amount of data they ingest and make terrifying associations, they can use the ridiculous amount of compute they've been building out to actually use all this data
We're most of the way down the slippery slope now, and still accelerating fast. The capability makes 1984 look quaint, and having the ability to flick on systems China drools over is pretty concerning
People don't even know they're trying to make us use id to use sites "to protect the children". Any site that might be inappropriate (of which, social media fits under the current definitions of) would be responsible for children getting access to their services - storing driver's licenses seems to be the popular idea for compliance. Google's web DRM might be pushed out so fast to offer this kind of service too
Kosa has bipartisan support, the president has come out strongly supporting it, and it's insane to me that people still don't care
Nobody forgot. We all depend on the internet for daily life and livelihoods. We are largely powerless against these faceless institutions
Not that I disagree with you, but I was more responding to the fact that they said they can't find anybody else reporting about it. I was saying that there's not much to report because this is kind of old news. I understand why more news agencies aren't picking up on this, like, government agencies known for sucking up data are still sucking up data. -shrug-
I don't disagree, and you're absolutely right, but i'd argue there's still a difference between a government organization collecting the data themselves, and the same organization buying it from other brokers. It's semantics sure, but it's a new dimension of this fucketry.
Fair enough.
Maybe it’s good to remind people it’s still happening because apparently everyone forgot we were told they’ve been doing this, for a while.
anecdotally: people chose to forget so that they don't have to change their world view. every single snowden revelations denier i know is either software engineer, network engineer, or devops
people chose to forget so that they don’t have to change their world view.
That's a good point, as a Sys Admin I've ran into a few coworkers like that myself. Not sure how somebody could deny it at this point tbh though.
Yes and no - prism and related programs weren't that big a deal (besides morally and legally) - the NSA was collecting far more data than they could use at scale. It was a problem, but realistically it wouldn't affect normal people - you'd have to catch a lot of attention first to even be searched in that system. It couldn't be used for law enforcement or anything wide scale - the collection was there, but the analysis didn't scale
It was a problem because of where we are now - AI advancement means not only can they now process the insane amount of data they ingest and make terrifying associations, they can use the ridiculous amount of compute they've been building out to actually use all this data
We're most of the way down the slippery slope now, and still accelerating fast. The capability makes 1984 look quaint, and having the ability to flick on systems China drools over is pretty concerning
People don't even know they're trying to make us use id to use sites "to protect the children". Any site that might be inappropriate (of which, social media fits under the current definitions of) would be responsible for children getting access to their services - storing driver's licenses seems to be the popular idea for compliance. Google's web DRM might be pushed out so fast to offer this kind of service too
Kosa has bipartisan support, the president has come out strongly supporting it, and it's insane to me that people still don't care
We've known they've been doing this since at least Snowden, what's the story?
They've been doing this since the 1950s, younger generations just didn't realize the scope until Snowden.
Yeah, that's why I said "at least" because I'm sure there's earlier examples but that was the largest recent example.
Or imagine if they were to ever get hacked.
Hostile governments can probably just buy the data from the same data brokers the US got it from
Microsoft got blamed, when the NSA was obviously to blame.
I requested my data file from Lexis/Nexus several years ago, and the amount of personal data scraped from EVERYWHERE online was in it. AOL chat convos from the 90s, old, used once, throw away email addresses, pictures shared on social media. The damn thing was several inches thick and arrived in a box. We have zero privacy
Why lie about this?
LexisNexis specializes in law (the Lexis end) and news (the Nexis end)—the data they procure and collate.
Their identity verification product, Accurint, accesses public record sources, and is imperative to keep pure. Inclusion of any private record data is a massive legal concern and actively monitored for.
You don't run a law service outfit without Legal being all up in your butt, and boy, were they.
Source: I was responsible for testing deliverables across all LN products.
Whats your point? The data was there in my entire file.
Edit: nvm I found the portal. I'm intrigued but I don't know what I would do with mountains of porn urls.
Re-post them here for your friends?
You all might as well become my enemies now before I post 6000 links to Wikipedia, 3000 IMDb links, 200k defunct porn links, and 200 live links to YouTube shorts.
feel like sharing how?
That’s it! I’m going off the grid.
Well, now they know they need to track you off grid.
Did you hear something? I don’t get cell service in the Great White North.
One of the concerns about Starlink's satellite constellation is the ability to locate a single powered cellphone anywhere on the planet, even when you have GPS off. That they already have this ability means cellular trackers also work anywhere on the planet for those who have the right access.
U mean they can track my jitterbug?
Fwiw, this article is from June, but it did not receive enough attention, so I'm glad it's coming back
This, and climate change, will define this era. Surveillance makes fascism so much easier.
100% the only difference is surveillance hides in the shadows and it's easy for people to not see the effects, whereas the effects of climate change cannot be hidden. So surveillance feels way more nefarious, and climate change feels more honest about the pain is going to inflict on us
Just China things.
Hold up
No, it's all ok bc money was involved.
Jokes on them, I'll be dead some day soon.
I mean, we all will. But the question is how miserable will we be until then.
I predict an unprecedented wave of suicides in about 10 years time. People who knew a nicer world (current 30-40 year olds) will ultimately understand how hopeless the future is. Younger people will break after 20-30 years of polarization, pauperisation and yearly disasters. This will overlap with natural timeline of passing away of today's 60+ year olds. Not fun times ahead.
eh, I think it really depends on the individual. people need to go outside more and start caring less about things they cant change.
huh "go for a walk, it's gonna help with depression" is not a take I expected here
Good more prospective homes for me to buy for myself to live in corporations to rent out.
The title is lierally how the Soviet Union operated and how the CCP operates today
It’s literally about the United States. Stay focused.
Authoritarian governments the both of them
Yes, but this is specifically about U.S.
Authoritarian governments the both of them
What about whataboutism?
What about authoritarian governments, the both of them?
Well, where else would they store dirt? It's not like you can just put it on the ground or something; on people is the only clear, reasonable choice!
That’s what all the plastic is for, to store the dirt.
Lol i am.not concerned at all because whoever doesn't know about "5 eyes" should go and read about it so its just not the US.
You're not concerned because everyone does it?
That doesn't seem like sound logic to me.
I understand where you coming from but as a regular doing 9-5 , I can't change anything until and unless every other regular like you push for a change so I've accepted it.
This reply is far more logical than your original comment.
Laughing about oppression is sillier than just accepting it.
Well, this is terrifying. The experience of slowly becoming not only a "product" but almost an "enemy of the state" has been surreal and disheartening to say the least.
Descent into fascism
Anyone else ever wish they were never born?
nope, just other people.
Only on days that end with "y"
Sex helps
Where do I find this “sex” you speak of. Probably would help if I didn’t have to work 60 hours a week….
Of course they are.
A pertinent point that Solzhenitsyn made in Gulag Archipelago - he said that in all the time he spent in the gulags, he never once met a person who had not been legitimately convicted of a genuine crime.
The way it worked was simply that the USSR had such an extensive and nebulous set of laws that it was effectively impossible for anyone to obey all of them all the time, and so much information on all its citizens that whenever an official wanted someone disappeared, it was just a matter of checking through their records and finding which law(s) they had broken, then arresting them, trying them and convicting them.
The US oligarchy is actively pursuing the same basic strategy, and for the same basic reasons.
Just my tin-foil hat opinion, but if anyone thinks the US is not heading towards a surveillance State on par with China, then I have a bridge to sell you.
I'm guessing virtually every government in the world is surveilling and collecting data on as many people as they can. I don't think that's tinfoil at all but actually a part of the job of modern intelligence. The only (sorta) counterbalance citizens have is the concept of citizen's rights (including privacy), which may legally barely exist (if at all) in other countries.
I don’t think that’s a tin-foil hat opinion.
In Virginia you now have to show your government ID to view a porn site. Welcome to the nanny state
Fairly longwinded article on the US government buying data to skip on getting warrants.
The size and scope of the government effort to accumulate data revealing the minute details of Americans' lives are described soberly and at length by the director's own panel of experts in a newly declassified report. Haines had first tasked her advisers in late 2021 with untangling a web of secretive business arrangements between commercial data brokers and US intelligence community members. What that report ended up saying constitutes a nightmare scenario for privacy defenders. “This report reveals what we feared most,” says Sean Vitka, a policy attorney at the nonprofit Demand Progress. “Intelligence agencies are flouting the law and buying information about Americans that Congress and the Supreme Court have made clear the government should not have.” In the shadow of years of inaction by the US Congress on comprehensive privacy reform, a surveillance state has been quietly growing in the legal system's cracks. Little deference is paid by prosecutors to the purpose or intent behind limits traditionally imposed on domestic surveillance activities. More craven interpretations of aging laws are widely used to ignore them. As the framework guarding what privacy Americans do have grows increasingly frail, opportunities abound to split hairs in court over whether such rights are even enjoyed by our digital counterparts. “I’ve been warning for years that if using a credit card to buy an American’s personal information voids their Fourth Amendment rights, then traditional checks and balances for government surveillance will crumble,” Ron Wyden, a US senator from Oregon, says.
Thanks 🙏🏻
It's already extremely easy for LE to drum up basically whatever charge and stick it to you, for the majority of citizens with no funds for a lawyer.
We've already got the plate scanners. Everytime I drive by one, my file pops as a red flag and a stop is more than likely, just to "check in" with me, usually with some false pretense like "i thought your window was cracked, my bad, but where you going tonight?" I'm not technically on paper, but I am treated as such. Easy arrest potential with some bs probable cause.
The fact that it will continue to go further doesn't surprise me. Makes the job even easier for them. If you aren't a good consumer, you will be prosecuted.
It’s the modern day equivalent of “you’re not from around here.”
The hilarious part (in a bleak fashion), is I can't find many other articles discussing this.
Then everyone will panic and go crazy when someone like Trump wins and they have access to all this. History repeats.
We've known they've been doing this since at least Snowden, what's the story?
Remember that government agency that hoovers up all our data? Yeah, they're still doing that. Only they don't have to try as hard because they can just buy our info instead of snooping for it (but they're also still snooping).
Maybe it's good to remind people it's still happening because apparently everyone forgot we were told they've been doing this, for a while.
What really blows my mind are the people who attack Snowden while claiming this mass data collection is perfectly fine.
I love the "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide..."
I usually respond to those folks with "Can I watch you fuck your spouse? You're not doing anything wrong, they're your spouse, so you shouldn't have anything to hide"
The crazy part is, I've gotten a few enthusiastic "Yes" responses to that...
Yes and no - prism and related programs weren't that big a deal (besides morally and legally) - the NSA was collecting far more data than they could use at scale. It was a problem, but realistically it wouldn't affect normal people - you'd have to catch a lot of attention first to even be searched in that system. It couldn't be used for law enforcement or anything wide scale - the collection was there, but the analysis didn't scale
It was a problem because of where we are now - AI advancement means not only can they now process the insane amount of data they ingest and make terrifying associations, they can use the ridiculous amount of compute they've been building out to actually use all this data
We're most of the way down the slippery slope now, and still accelerating fast. The capability makes 1984 look quaint, and having the ability to flick on systems China drools over is pretty concerning
People don't even know they're trying to make us use id to use sites "to protect the children". Any site that might be inappropriate (of which, social media fits under the current definitions of) would be responsible for children getting access to their services - storing driver's licenses seems to be the popular idea for compliance. Google's web DRM might be pushed out so fast to offer this kind of service too
Kosa has bipartisan support, the president has come out strongly supporting it, and it's insane to me that people still don't care
Nobody forgot. We all depend on the internet for daily life and livelihoods. We are largely powerless against these faceless institutions
Not that I disagree with you, but I was more responding to the fact that they said they can't find anybody else reporting about it. I was saying that there's not much to report because this is kind of old news. I understand why more news agencies aren't picking up on this, like, government agencies known for sucking up data are still sucking up data. -shrug-
I don't disagree, and you're absolutely right, but i'd argue there's still a difference between a government organization collecting the data themselves, and the same organization buying it from other brokers. It's semantics sure, but it's a new dimension of this fucketry.
Fair enough.
anecdotally: people chose to forget so that they don't have to change their world view. every single snowden revelations denier i know is either software engineer, network engineer, or devops
That's a good point, as a Sys Admin I've ran into a few coworkers like that myself. Not sure how somebody could deny it at this point tbh though.
Yes and no - prism and related programs weren't that big a deal (besides morally and legally) - the NSA was collecting far more data than they could use at scale. It was a problem, but realistically it wouldn't affect normal people - you'd have to catch a lot of attention first to even be searched in that system. It couldn't be used for law enforcement or anything wide scale - the collection was there, but the analysis didn't scale
It was a problem because of where we are now - AI advancement means not only can they now process the insane amount of data they ingest and make terrifying associations, they can use the ridiculous amount of compute they've been building out to actually use all this data
We're most of the way down the slippery slope now, and still accelerating fast. The capability makes 1984 look quaint, and having the ability to flick on systems China drools over is pretty concerning
People don't even know they're trying to make us use id to use sites "to protect the children". Any site that might be inappropriate (of which, social media fits under the current definitions of) would be responsible for children getting access to their services - storing driver's licenses seems to be the popular idea for compliance. Google's web DRM might be pushed out so fast to offer this kind of service too
Kosa has bipartisan support, the president has come out strongly supporting it, and it's insane to me that people still don't care
They've been doing this since the 1950s, younger generations just didn't realize the scope until Snowden.
Yeah, that's why I said "at least" because I'm sure there's earlier examples but that was the largest recent example.
Or imagine if they were to ever get hacked.
Hostile governments can probably just buy the data from the same data brokers the US got it from
I've got bad news for you . . .
SolarWinds has entered the chat
like they do on a VERY regular basis. Remember the NSA treasure trove of exploits that produced the wannacry fiasco?
Microsoft got blamed, when the NSA was obviously to blame.
I requested my data file from Lexis/Nexus several years ago, and the amount of personal data scraped from EVERYWHERE online was in it. AOL chat convos from the 90s, old, used once, throw away email addresses, pictures shared on social media. The damn thing was several inches thick and arrived in a box. We have zero privacy
Why lie about this?
LexisNexis specializes in law (the Lexis end) and news (the Nexis end)—the data they procure and collate.
Their identity verification product, Accurint, accesses public record sources, and is imperative to keep pure. Inclusion of any private record data is a massive legal concern and actively monitored for.
You don't run a law service outfit without Legal being all up in your butt, and boy, were they.
Source: I was responsible for testing deliverables across all LN products.
Whats your point? The data was there in my entire file.
https://irp.cdn-website.com/2d230a82/files/uploaded/The-Shocking-Truth-of-What-LexisNexis-Has-On-You-new-edition-UB-2021.pdf
So... Exactly what that other guy said above
How exactly does one do that?
Edit: nvm I found the portal. I'm intrigued but I don't know what I would do with mountains of porn urls.
Re-post them here for your friends?
You all might as well become my enemies now before I post 6000 links to Wikipedia, 3000 IMDb links, 200k defunct porn links, and 200 live links to YouTube shorts.
feel like sharing how?
That’s it! I’m going off the grid.
Well, now they know they need to track you off grid.
Did you hear something? I don’t get cell service in the Great White North.
One of the concerns about Starlink's satellite constellation is the ability to locate a single powered cellphone anywhere on the planet, even when you have GPS off. That they already have this ability means cellular trackers also work anywhere on the planet for those who have the right access.
U mean they can track my jitterbug?
Fwiw, this article is from June, but it did not receive enough attention, so I'm glad it's coming back
This, and climate change, will define this era. Surveillance makes fascism so much easier.
100% the only difference is surveillance hides in the shadows and it's easy for people to not see the effects, whereas the effects of climate change cannot be hidden. So surveillance feels way more nefarious, and climate change feels more honest about the pain is going to inflict on us
Just China things.
Hold up
No, it's all ok bc money was involved.
Jokes on them, I'll be dead some day soon.
I mean, we all will. But the question is how miserable will we be until then.
I predict an unprecedented wave of suicides in about 10 years time. People who knew a nicer world (current 30-40 year olds) will ultimately understand how hopeless the future is. Younger people will break after 20-30 years of polarization, pauperisation and yearly disasters. This will overlap with natural timeline of passing away of today's 60+ year olds. Not fun times ahead.
eh, I think it really depends on the individual. people need to go outside more and start caring less about things they cant change.
huh "go for a walk, it's gonna help with depression" is not a take I expected here
Good more prospective homes for
me to buy for myself to live incorporations to rent out.The title is lierally how the Soviet Union operated and how the CCP operates today
It’s literally about the United States. Stay focused.
Authoritarian governments the both of them
Yes, but this is specifically about U.S.
Authoritarian governments the both of them
What about whataboutism?
What about authoritarian governments, the both of them?
Well, where else would they store dirt? It's not like you can just put it on the ground or something; on people is the only clear, reasonable choice!
That’s what all the plastic is for, to store the dirt.
Lol i am.not concerned at all because whoever doesn't know about "5 eyes" should go and read about it so its just not the US.
You're not concerned because everyone does it?
That doesn't seem like sound logic to me.
I understand where you coming from but as a regular doing 9-5 , I can't change anything until and unless every other regular like you push for a change so I've accepted it.
This reply is far more logical than your original comment.
Laughing about oppression is sillier than just accepting it.
They’re watching you
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they're going to feed it to their agi
America is the evil empire and must be destroyed
We should try to repair it. It can be done.
We could balkanize it. Maybe throw in Canada and Mexico too. Texas can be their own thing, New England could be their own thing, Quebec and Northern Mexico too.
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