The Speaker of the House of Represenatives, whose job is to lead the House, worked with the House to prevent a government shutdown, ... and that creates a threat that he will be removed from the Speakership??
What the actual fuck.
Trumpies are opposed to the US having a government, as it inconveniences Putin.
Too true, sadly. Much as I loathe Reagan, at least he was opposed to Russia. Can't say that about the current "Party of Reagan".
He was in large part opposed to the USSR for the wrong reasons though. Also, the USSR and today's Russia have very little in common.
Reagan would undoubtedly have been pro-Putin if Putin governed any other country than Russia in the exact same way.
Exactly. Reagan was not an enemy to oligarchy and Russia is the world's biggest oligarchy.
But they got what Putin wanted in this case.
Partisanship and brinksmanship. The days of concession, negotiation, and the needs of the money, are gone. “A house divided…” as they say.
the needs of the money
An apt typo.
Welp. Guess I’ll leave that as it is.
Because dumbass allowed it to be codified in the the session’s rules that he could face a vote of no confidence or whatever it’s called from one person.
Basically, McCarthy is a chancellor Vellorum- except he was never as well-meaning
Oh, McCarthy is awful, sure, and that agreement definitely creates the mechanism. But the fact that the button that launches the process is going to get pushed because the Speaker did his job instead of refusing to is mind-boggling.
well, we all knew it would come to this. We all knew it would happen, because they're a bunch of toddlers who have zero conception of just how awful they are; or the lives they're destorying with their sheer idiocy.
Which, the mind boggling part is... why would you give them that power? Like. they're too stupid not to use it.
It's the old chicken and egg thing, but with dumbness.
In all fairness, McCarthy is the one who changed the rules from requiring a motion to vacate from "on behalf of a political party or caucus" to "any member of the House".
There was an entire reason there was a stopgap in place. McCarthy's thirst for power brought him to this. So at the end of the day, "a bed was made by someone, and now a few folks are asking that person to head on to bed."
Also, all this does is really reinforce the GOP mantra of "no honor among thieves."
This is why we won't ever get anything accomplished in government. Gone are the days of true compromise and doing what's best for the country. Now, it's just political theater and gaslighting
They were put in place by dark money to dismantle the government, but Kevin didn’t get the memo.
Let’s just ouster the hardliners. Let them go form their own party.
Seriously, expel the "Freedom Caucus."
I guarantee the Dems will vote in favor, just need halfish of the repugs.
Oops, then the Dems are in majority for a bit. 😇
Problem is the republicans are so obsessed with power and ruining the lives of “the lessers” they will do anything to prevent democrats from having control again, including selling out their country
How do you propose we even begin to do that? So help me, if you say "vote," I swear I'm going to roll my eyes so hard at my phone!
Seriously. They're propped up and kept in place by their constituents. Those people can barely breath involuntarily without wasting brain power. This is a lost cause.
If you can tell me, a resident of Washington, how I can vote against MTG or Bobo from the top left corner of the USA, I'll buy you a pizza.
Unfortunately you answered your own question. There has to be some long term significant efforts to vote in progressive legislators and oust these traitors. Right now it's too close to accomplish anything. There has to be a hard shift to the left and we need to see a big Democrat majority in the house and senate.
Right now that's not happening in any one election. But as the country becomes more liberal, which trends seem to suggest is what will happen, there needs to be a mobilization of those numbers to get more millenials and more Gen z leaders into positions where they can make sweeping reforms.
Right now both of those generations are comically underrepresented and the boomers hold a comically over representation in congress. The boomers still play politics like it's 1950. It used to be that both sides had honorable representatives with few extremists that could work together to pass legislation. That's all gone. Politics have changed. Now because of the razor thin margins a few extremists or DINOs can effectively control the country. It's insanity.
So unfortunately vote vote vote is the key. You may be in a liberal stronghold but never take that for granted. Virginia was pretty soundly blue for the past few years but the virginia dems got complacent and we are one election away from passing abortion bans and all the other chicken shit right wing legislation that will undo all the progress we made in this state.
You miss my point. I cannot vote outside my district. My vote is valid here alone and only at the local time level.
Capitalism won this war. Ironically, we can't buy our way out of this.
No I didn't. My point is that even if you are outside of one of these problem areas your job is to ensure your locality doesn't become a problem area. Complacency gives them an in and if they get their foot in the door they'll prop it open and let all their fellow traitors flood in behind them.
You could donate money. It works outside your state. Volunteer your time at the national level. I understand if you don’t want to do those things, but it’s not entirely outside your control.
There's nothing stoping you from canvassing outside your district.
Had the January 6th insurrectionists not chosen such a dumbass reason for doing what they did, they'd probably have gotten more support and we might have gotten some real necessary change to our political systems.
But I'll be damned if they weren't the dumbest people on earth in the dumbest riot.
Voting isn't going to fix all our country's broken systems.
Be hilarious if they do oust him and we end up with a Dem speaker instead.
It won't but it's nice to dream, the more likelihood it's the nightmare of a Greene speakership.
Might as well throw Boberts name in there too.
Edit. Please don’t.
Tits Mcgee is going to promise everyone in the House a handy if they vote her in as speaker.
It'll be Gaetz.
Dog that caught the car if that happened. I don't see how you could better broadcast his incompetence.
I welcome the circus
It's for this reason I'd actually support a few dems, either safe or from moderate districts crossing the aisle to help. McCarthy is an ass, but he was willing to be an adult (mind you 5 seconds from too little too late) to get this done and I'd rather him than the alternative during the next 45 days.
Besides, it's a wonderful opportunity to neuter the freedom cocks.
There is no threat in the motion to vacate. I doubt they follow through. Potential outcomes:
The vote for a few days and are forced to give up and KM remains speaker.
GOP members from moderate districts decide there future is more secure if they join the Democratic Party and Jeffries gets the gavel.
The house remains without a speaker until the session ends.
There is no possible outcome where a more conservative member gets the gavel. None.
The threat is #3. From the perspective of the Freedom Caucus, Congress being paralyzed and unable to act is a win condition.
Number 3 is an unstable condition that will quickly collapse into scenario 1 or 2. There are 18 gop members from districts Biden won in 2020. They can get elected as moderate dems easily if they want.
Game theory wise it goes like this. They call the motion and a speaker vote process starts. No winner (#3). Dems work quietly to see if they can forge a majority(#2), KM works quietly to try and pull a few dems. Getting dem votes for McCarthy is almost impossible (he needs too many and there just aren’t a lot of marginal dem members).
If word gets out that either of those scenarios are looking fruitful, the freedom caucus will fold at the next vote (#1)
The likelihood of them having to fold after a day or two of votes and re-seat McCarthy is 9 in 10 or better. That other 1 in 10 is speaker Jeffries speaking for a new dem majority of 1 or 2 seats.
From their perspective, if they don’t follow through, they will be worried they will be flanked by those that will call them cowards. Also, if they cave, they lose the power they had.
They are not good tacticians, but blowing things up is their thing, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to remove him and leave the house without a leader.
"You made the government function as designed! You're fired!"
more support from Democrats than Republicans.
voted 335-91
Come on, Reuters, you're supposed to be above that kind of crap!
By my count: 211 Democrats supported it, 1 oppose it; 131 Republicans supported it, 90 oppose it. Isn't 211>131?
Yes, but my point is that it passed with an overwhelming majority including a majority of Republicans, making it a moot point not worthy of consideration.
while yes, it was a majority of replublicans... 131 to 90 wasn't not "overwhelming". 40% of republicans- the party that crafted the bill in the first place- did not support the republican bill. for comparison, only .004% of democrats opposed it.
To put it bluntly, despite having control of the house numerically, democrat are controlling the agenda because republicans are paralyzed by morons that can't even compromise with their own party
To be pedantic, 0.4% of Democrats opposed.
But yeah I agree that it is relevant that it was passed with more D than R votes.
Apparently not. They're doing their jobs for at least the next 45 days.
Listening to shit like MTG is what would keep them paralyzed.
This bill should have been done months ago. No; they’re not doing their jobs.
The scratched out a loss here- gave the democrats most of what they wanted- a clean funding bill. It’s still just a can kick…
It's true, the numbers don't lie.
Ways to interpret the numbers can skew the truth and focus on irrelevant details that derail the conversation, though, like in this case.
Focusing on which party had the biggest margin when the majority of both parties voted in favour is needlessly furthering a sensationalist narrative that helps the Freedumb Caucus and hurts any chance of achieving a long term deal.
The majority of the Republican caucus voted before on this issue and failed to pass a bill.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted 335-91 to adopt a 45-day stopgap measure hours before funding for federal agencies was set to expire.
But soon after the House action, hardline Republican conservatives began targeting McCarthy's role as speaker, claiming he had scored a victory for the "Uniparty" of Washington.
Hardliners complained that the measure, known as a continuing resolution, or CR, left in place policies favored by Democrats including Biden, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
"Kevin McCarthy put a CR on the Floor that got 209 Democrat votes, since it kept in place the Biden-Pelosi-Schumer policies that are destroying the country and the spending levels that are bankrupting us," hardline Representative Bob Good said on X.
Under an agreement McCarthy reached with hardliners to become speaker in January, just one lawmaker can set his potential ouster in motion by moving to "vacate the chair."
Republican Representative Brian Fitzpatrick, who co-chairs the bipartisan Problem Solvers' Caucus, said bipartisanship itself would be the real issue in any vote on McCarthy's future.
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Let's just stop and take in that headline.
The Speaker of the House of Represenatives, whose job is to lead the House, worked with the House to prevent a government shutdown, ... and that creates a threat that he will be removed from the Speakership??
What the actual fuck.
Trumpies are opposed to the US having a government, as it inconveniences Putin.
Too true, sadly. Much as I loathe Reagan, at least he was opposed to Russia. Can't say that about the current "Party of Reagan".
He was in large part opposed to the USSR for the wrong reasons though. Also, the USSR and today's Russia have very little in common.
Reagan would undoubtedly have been pro-Putin if Putin governed any other country than Russia in the exact same way.
Exactly. Reagan was not an enemy to oligarchy and Russia is the world's biggest oligarchy.
But they got what Putin wanted in this case.
Partisanship and brinksmanship. The days of concession, negotiation, and the needs of the money, are gone. “A house divided…” as they say.
An apt typo.
Welp. Guess I’ll leave that as it is.
Because dumbass allowed it to be codified in the the session’s rules that he could face a vote of no confidence or whatever it’s called from one person.
Basically, McCarthy is a chancellor Vellorum- except he was never as well-meaning
Oh, McCarthy is awful, sure, and that agreement definitely creates the mechanism. But the fact that the button that launches the process is going to get pushed because the Speaker did his job instead of refusing to is mind-boggling.
well, we all knew it would come to this. We all knew it would happen, because they're a bunch of toddlers who have zero conception of just how awful they are; or the lives they're destorying with their sheer idiocy.
Which, the mind boggling part is... why would you give them that power? Like. they're too stupid not to use it.
It's the old chicken and egg thing, but with dumbness.
In all fairness, McCarthy is the one who changed the rules from requiring a motion to vacate from "on behalf of a political party or caucus" to "any member of the House".
There was an entire reason there was a stopgap in place. McCarthy's thirst for power brought him to this. So at the end of the day, "a bed was made by someone, and now a few folks are asking that person to head on to bed."
Also, all this does is really reinforce the GOP mantra of "no honor among thieves."
This is why we won't ever get anything accomplished in government. Gone are the days of true compromise and doing what's best for the country. Now, it's just political theater and gaslighting
They were put in place by dark money to dismantle the government, but Kevin didn’t get the memo.
Let’s just ouster the hardliners. Let them go form their own party.
Seriously, expel the "Freedom Caucus."
I guarantee the Dems will vote in favor, just need halfish of the repugs.
Oops, then the Dems are in majority for a bit. 😇
Problem is the republicans are so obsessed with power and ruining the lives of “the lessers” they will do anything to prevent democrats from having control again, including selling out their country
How do you propose we even begin to do that? So help me, if you say "vote," I swear I'm going to roll my eyes so hard at my phone!
Seriously. They're propped up and kept in place by their constituents. Those people can barely breath involuntarily without wasting brain power. This is a lost cause.
If you can tell me, a resident of Washington, how I can vote against MTG or Bobo from the top left corner of the USA, I'll buy you a pizza.
Unfortunately you answered your own question. There has to be some long term significant efforts to vote in progressive legislators and oust these traitors. Right now it's too close to accomplish anything. There has to be a hard shift to the left and we need to see a big Democrat majority in the house and senate.
Right now that's not happening in any one election. But as the country becomes more liberal, which trends seem to suggest is what will happen, there needs to be a mobilization of those numbers to get more millenials and more Gen z leaders into positions where they can make sweeping reforms.
Right now both of those generations are comically underrepresented and the boomers hold a comically over representation in congress. The boomers still play politics like it's 1950. It used to be that both sides had honorable representatives with few extremists that could work together to pass legislation. That's all gone. Politics have changed. Now because of the razor thin margins a few extremists or DINOs can effectively control the country. It's insanity.
So unfortunately vote vote vote is the key. You may be in a liberal stronghold but never take that for granted. Virginia was pretty soundly blue for the past few years but the virginia dems got complacent and we are one election away from passing abortion bans and all the other chicken shit right wing legislation that will undo all the progress we made in this state.
You miss my point. I cannot vote outside my district. My vote is valid here alone and only at the local time level.
Capitalism won this war. Ironically, we can't buy our way out of this.
No I didn't. My point is that even if you are outside of one of these problem areas your job is to ensure your locality doesn't become a problem area. Complacency gives them an in and if they get their foot in the door they'll prop it open and let all their fellow traitors flood in behind them.
You could donate money. It works outside your state. Volunteer your time at the national level. I understand if you don’t want to do those things, but it’s not entirely outside your control.
There's nothing stoping you from canvassing outside your district.
Had the January 6th insurrectionists not chosen such a dumbass reason for doing what they did, they'd probably have gotten more support and we might have gotten some real necessary change to our political systems.
But I'll be damned if they weren't the dumbest people on earth in the dumbest riot.
Voting isn't going to fix all our country's broken systems.
Be hilarious if they do oust him and we end up with a Dem speaker instead.
It won't but it's nice to dream, the more likelihood it's the nightmare of a Greene speakership.
Might as well throw Boberts name in there too.
Edit. Please don’t.
Tits Mcgee is going to promise everyone in the House a handy if they vote her in as speaker.
It'll be Gaetz.
Dog that caught the car if that happened. I don't see how you could better broadcast his incompetence.
I welcome the circus
It's for this reason I'd actually support a few dems, either safe or from moderate districts crossing the aisle to help. McCarthy is an ass, but he was willing to be an adult (mind you 5 seconds from too little too late) to get this done and I'd rather him than the alternative during the next 45 days.
Besides, it's a wonderful opportunity to neuter the freedom cocks.
There is no threat in the motion to vacate. I doubt they follow through. Potential outcomes:
The vote for a few days and are forced to give up and KM remains speaker.
GOP members from moderate districts decide there future is more secure if they join the Democratic Party and Jeffries gets the gavel.
The house remains without a speaker until the session ends.
There is no possible outcome where a more conservative member gets the gavel. None.
The threat is #3. From the perspective of the Freedom Caucus, Congress being paralyzed and unable to act is a win condition.
Number 3 is an unstable condition that will quickly collapse into scenario 1 or 2. There are 18 gop members from districts Biden won in 2020. They can get elected as moderate dems easily if they want.
Game theory wise it goes like this. They call the motion and a speaker vote process starts. No winner (#3). Dems work quietly to see if they can forge a majority(#2), KM works quietly to try and pull a few dems. Getting dem votes for McCarthy is almost impossible (he needs too many and there just aren’t a lot of marginal dem members). If word gets out that either of those scenarios are looking fruitful, the freedom caucus will fold at the next vote (#1)
The likelihood of them having to fold after a day or two of votes and re-seat McCarthy is 9 in 10 or better. That other 1 in 10 is speaker Jeffries speaking for a new dem majority of 1 or 2 seats.
From their perspective, if they don’t follow through, they will be worried they will be flanked by those that will call them cowards. Also, if they cave, they lose the power they had.
They are not good tacticians, but blowing things up is their thing, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to remove him and leave the house without a leader.
"You made the government function as designed! You're fired!"
Come on, Reuters, you're supposed to be above that kind of crap!
By my count: 211 Democrats supported it, 1 oppose it; 131 Republicans supported it, 90 oppose it. Isn't 211>131?
Yes, but my point is that it passed with an overwhelming majority including a majority of Republicans, making it a moot point not worthy of consideration.
while yes, it was a majority of replublicans... 131 to 90 wasn't not "overwhelming". 40% of republicans- the party that crafted the bill in the first place- did not support the republican bill. for comparison, only .004% of democrats opposed it.
To put it bluntly, despite having control of the house numerically, democrat are controlling the agenda because republicans are paralyzed by morons that can't even compromise with their own party
To be pedantic, 0.4% of Democrats opposed.
But yeah I agree that it is relevant that it was passed with more D than R votes.
Apparently not. They're doing their jobs for at least the next 45 days.
Listening to shit like MTG is what would keep them paralyzed.
This bill should have been done months ago. No; they’re not doing their jobs.
The scratched out a loss here- gave the democrats most of what they wanted- a clean funding bill. It’s still just a can kick…
It's true, the numbers don't lie.
Ways to interpret the numbers can skew the truth and focus on irrelevant details that derail the conversation, though, like in this case.
Focusing on which party had the biggest margin when the majority of both parties voted in favour is needlessly furthering a sensationalist narrative that helps the Freedumb Caucus and hurts any chance of achieving a long term deal.
The majority of the Republican caucus voted before on this issue and failed to pass a bill.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted 335-91 to adopt a 45-day stopgap measure hours before funding for federal agencies was set to expire.
But soon after the House action, hardline Republican conservatives began targeting McCarthy's role as speaker, claiming he had scored a victory for the "Uniparty" of Washington.
Hardliners complained that the measure, known as a continuing resolution, or CR, left in place policies favored by Democrats including Biden, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
"Kevin McCarthy put a CR on the Floor that got 209 Democrat votes, since it kept in place the Biden-Pelosi-Schumer policies that are destroying the country and the spending levels that are bankrupting us," hardline Representative Bob Good said on X.
Under an agreement McCarthy reached with hardliners to become speaker in January, just one lawmaker can set his potential ouster in motion by moving to "vacate the chair."
Republican Representative Brian Fitzpatrick, who co-chairs the bipartisan Problem Solvers' Caucus, said bipartisanship itself would be the real issue in any vote on McCarthy's future.
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