My wife helped me find my tools and sort my clothes. Without her, all my stuff would be a giant pile. Clothes, tools, kids.
"Honey, can you bring me the medium sized one from the kids pile? You know, the one with the blond hair? I want to bring her to school today. Oh and have you seen my car keys perhaps?"
.... because the default assumption is they, whereas historically the default assumption for women has been different.
I honestly thought this meme was making fun of the assumptions that women aren't able to take care of themselves and men are obligated to take care of everyone else without recognition because of the context of the movie the image is from.
Apparently not...
It might have been - who knows.
At this point it's just text on a picture
Men do everything for themselves? HAHAHAHAHA
Can’t tell if serious or sarcastic.
Men don’t do everything for themselves.
Some do, but many women do as well.
Living alone can suck for both 👍
How about global supply chains for food and clothes? How about the social systems such as healthcare and education? How about infrastructure like the internet or roads? Does each "independent" man do it all on their own?
I can’t really tell what argument your making here? Nobody is independent of the systems around them, man or woman, unless you live off the grid growing your own food
What about the people who put the soil there so you can farm your own food? /s
It's sarcastic
Yasss, slay king
I love it when people make memes with the sole purpose of making fun of women. It's so 1920s.
Ok, I didn't see the movie yet, I just assumed this is a funny quote from the movie.
Honestly, it definitely tracks with the humor/satire of the film, so you’re not off base
Eh, I cooooould see this being presented in a sarcastic, self aware way I suppose
It works at a certain point of his character arc for sure
And they use a character who's entire fictional persona is making fun of them. It's conservatives agreeing with Steven Colbert all over again.
Alternate title: “A man child realizes that society imposes roles on people based on gender and throws an ill-advised tantrum about the roles assigned to him.”
A male human is pretty much solely judged on his ability to be strong and independent. Men crowing about their prowess in those skills is pretty much the basis of the human mating ritual for as long as we have existed.
In the past 100yrs we have been eroding the strictness of those roles and women are now also allowed to take pride in those characteristics.
Ken needs to sit the fuck down now.
I question whether anyone who does not believe that men being judged solely on their ability to be strong and independent is every bit as much an injustice as women being all but forbidden from being those things can truly call themselves a fighter of the patriarchy.
You'll never hear a man brag about being strong and independent?
Talk about a basement dweller perspective...
How about global supply chains for food and clothes? How about the social systems such as healthcare and education? How about infrastructure like the internet or roads? Does each "independent" man do it all on their own?
What if I told you the joke wasn't that [gender a] does everything for themselves, but that [gender b] and [gender a] do the same amount while [gender a] doesn't break an arm jerking themselves off about it.
Not my post or joke so hang onto your seething hatred please.
Men don't call themselves strong and independent because society already expects them to be strong and independent. It's not news. It doesn't need to be said. Thanks to the patriarchy, it's unfortunately news when a woman is strong and independent. Even if most of them have been strong and independent for a long time.
Doesn't feel like news to me when women are strong and independent though. I think that's the patriarchy you're referencing, no?
It doesn't feel like news to you because women have been saying it for a long time and you've gotten used to the idea of women being strong and independent. That means the feminist movement has had some success. But there are plenty of men for whom it is news, and plenty more who hear it often but refuse to believe it. That means there's still progress to be made, even if you personally have been converted.
We'll keep this up this time but in the future please avoid reactionary content. Thank you
I'm asking because I'm genuinely interested in understanding, it's the first time I stumbled uppon the word "reactionary content" so I had a look what it means https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary which in this context probably means:
In popular usage, reactionary refers to a strong traditionalist conservative political perspective of a person opposed to social, political, and economic change
Is the reactionism here in this meme that it through comedy tries to ridicule the "strong and independent woman" and thus promotes a political perspective of the patriarchy? Or am I now reading too much into it?
That’s basically it yeah
Responded in matrix DM
Why not here tho?
Congratulations, you have met a communist. This mod sounds almost like a satire of socialist thought-police.
Everyone gets to post one reactionary meme, please choose carefully!
Memes are memes. Why you gotta police fucking jokes dude?
Because it's my duty as a moderator. If you don't agree with it, welcome to my or admin's DM. Subsequent comments on the topic will be deleted.
I agree that moderators have an important job, and I appreciate the effort you put into it, but is
Subsequent comments on the topic will be deleted.
really necessary? I can't see how it hurt to let them explain themselves in the comment section where everyone can see.
In my opinion, random meme is not an appropriate place to discuss moderation in general -- it's unwieldy to have such things plastered all over the community/instance
Additionally, public discussions invite way too many responses on whole array of topics besides issue at hand
Lastly, public debate in text can easily be misrepresented, taken out of context, blown out of proportion etc etc
However this all is only my opinion, given good reasoning, anything could be reconsidered
I definitely see your point, but at the same time, isn't public debate in text the best tool we have here for an open discussion?
Regardless, I can understand, and respect, that you don't want to spend time on public discussions about moderation. As "some mod somewhere" once said: If you don't like how it's being done, become a mod yourself. I can respect that.
What you are advocating for is laudable, but it is not reality because it assumes good faith actors. Open dialogue and free speech is often just a cudgel for those who are trying to cause problems.
isn’t public debate in text the best tool we have here for an open discussion?
I want to believe this is true but such "best tool" requires substantial amount of resources to enact and maintain. And even then we might simply receive bad rep for overinvolvement
From a user standpoint, I think anyone interested in higher quality moderation should either try !humor@beehaw.org or indeed involve oneself in moderation of this community
People admitting they didn't know something and then spelling out how they now understand it once someone gives them the heads up is obviously not trolling.
What? I was asking if the mod was being serious about removing yhe meme. Are you seeing my comment as a reply to yours up in a different thread?
Apparently I lost track of the indention on the tree view and thought you replied to jeena, whoopsie!
Everyone who says something I don't like is trolling
And other things you can tell yourself
This isn’t reactionary though.
Well, one can interpret the meme many ways, including reactionary. I agree with the view @snooggums@kbin.social presented.
I still can't believe they made a "feminist" movie where men are the poor oppressed incels who don't matter because a woman won't date them. I knew misogynists would love this movie
I think you've missed the point of Ken's arc in this movie
My wife helped me find my tools and sort my clothes. Without her, all my stuff would be a giant pile. Clothes, tools, kids.
"Honey, can you bring me the medium sized one from the kids pile? You know, the one with the blond hair? I want to bring her to school today. Oh and have you seen my car keys perhaps?"
What men did you talk to, because in my experience most don't shut up about how they are strong and independent
You must mostly be talking to douchebags.
I could definitely take a black bear in a fight. Brown bear no, but definitely a black bear. Oh and maybe a wolf or cheetah. 100%
What I gather from this is that me ane OP are not talking to the same people you are
.... because the default assumption is they, whereas historically the default assumption for women has been different.
I honestly thought this meme was making fun of the assumptions that women aren't able to take care of themselves and men are obligated to take care of everyone else without recognition because of the context of the movie the image is from.
Apparently not...
It might have been - who knows.
At this point it's just text on a picture
Men do everything for themselves? HAHAHAHAHA
Can’t tell if serious or sarcastic.
Men don’t do everything for themselves.
Some do, but many women do as well. Living alone can suck for both 👍
How about global supply chains for food and clothes? How about the social systems such as healthcare and education? How about infrastructure like the internet or roads? Does each "independent" man do it all on their own?
I can’t really tell what argument your making here? Nobody is independent of the systems around them, man or woman, unless you live off the grid growing your own food
What about the people who put the soil there so you can farm your own food? /s
It's sarcastic
Yasss, slay king
I love it when people make memes with the sole purpose of making fun of women. It's so 1920s.
Ok, I didn't see the movie yet, I just assumed this is a funny quote from the movie.
Honestly, it definitely tracks with the humor/satire of the film, so you’re not off base
Eh, I cooooould see this being presented in a sarcastic, self aware way I suppose
It works at a certain point of his character arc for sure
And they use a character who's entire fictional persona is making fun of them. It's conservatives agreeing with Steven Colbert all over again.
Alternate title: “A man child realizes that society imposes roles on people based on gender and throws an ill-advised tantrum about the roles assigned to him.”
A male human is pretty much solely judged on his ability to be strong and independent. Men crowing about their prowess in those skills is pretty much the basis of the human mating ritual for as long as we have existed.
In the past 100yrs we have been eroding the strictness of those roles and women are now also allowed to take pride in those characteristics.
Ken needs to sit the fuck down now.
I question whether anyone who does not believe that men being judged solely on their ability to be strong and independent is every bit as much an injustice as women being all but forbidden from being those things can truly call themselves a fighter of the patriarchy.
You'll never hear a man brag about being strong and independent?
Talk about a basement dweller perspective...
How about global supply chains for food and clothes? How about the social systems such as healthcare and education? How about infrastructure like the internet or roads? Does each "independent" man do it all on their own?
What if I told you the joke wasn't that [gender a] does everything for themselves, but that [gender b] and [gender a] do the same amount while [gender a] doesn't break an arm jerking themselves off about it.
Not my post or joke so hang onto your seething hatred please.
Men don't call themselves strong and independent because society already expects them to be strong and independent. It's not news. It doesn't need to be said. Thanks to the patriarchy, it's unfortunately news when a woman is strong and independent. Even if most of them have been strong and independent for a long time.
Doesn't feel like news to me when women are strong and independent though. I think that's the patriarchy you're referencing, no?
It doesn't feel like news to you because women have been saying it for a long time and you've gotten used to the idea of women being strong and independent. That means the feminist movement has had some success. But there are plenty of men for whom it is news, and plenty more who hear it often but refuse to believe it. That means there's still progress to be made, even if you personally have been converted.
We'll keep this up this time but in the future please avoid reactionary content. Thank you
I'm asking because I'm genuinely interested in understanding, it's the first time I stumbled uppon the word "reactionary content" so I had a look what it means https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactionary which in this context probably means:
Is the reactionism here in this meme that it through comedy tries to ridicule the "strong and independent woman" and thus promotes a political perspective of the patriarchy? Or am I now reading too much into it?
That’s basically it yeah
Responded in matrix DM
Why not here tho?
Congratulations, you have met a communist. This mod sounds almost like a satire of socialist thought-police.
edit: I was inspired to make c/mods
Because capitalists never tried to control people's thoughts
Oh wait
Everyone gets to post one reactionary meme, please choose carefully!
Memes are memes. Why you gotta police fucking jokes dude?
Because it's my duty as a moderator. If you don't agree with it, welcome to my or admin's DM. Subsequent comments on the topic will be deleted.
I agree that moderators have an important job, and I appreciate the effort you put into it, but is
really necessary? I can't see how it hurt to let them explain themselves in the comment section where everyone can see.
In my opinion, random meme is not an appropriate place to discuss moderation in general -- it's unwieldy to have such things plastered all over the community/instance
Additionally, public discussions invite way too many responses on whole array of topics besides issue at hand
Lastly, public debate in text can easily be misrepresented, taken out of context, blown out of proportion etc etc
However this all is only my opinion, given good reasoning, anything could be reconsidered
I definitely see your point, but at the same time, isn't public debate in text the best tool we have here for an open discussion?
Regardless, I can understand, and respect, that you don't want to spend time on public discussions about moderation. As "some mod somewhere" once said: If you don't like how it's being done, become a mod yourself. I can respect that.
What you are advocating for is laudable, but it is not reality because it assumes good faith actors. Open dialogue and free speech is often just a cudgel for those who are trying to cause problems.
I want to believe this is true but such "best tool" requires substantial amount of resources to enact and maintain. And even then we might simply receive bad rep for overinvolvement
From a user standpoint, I think anyone interested in higher quality moderation should either try !humor@beehaw.org or indeed involve oneself in moderation of this community
Oh god come on don’t give us that “it’s just a joke bro!” drivel.
Because sometimes jokes are mean
Is this a real reply or trolling?
People admitting they didn't know something and then spelling out how they now understand it once someone gives them the heads up is obviously not trolling.
What? I was asking if the mod was being serious about removing yhe meme. Are you seeing my comment as a reply to yours up in a different thread?
Apparently I lost track of the indention on the tree view and thought you replied to jeena, whoopsie!
This isn’t reactionary though.
Well, one can interpret the meme many ways, including reactionary. I agree with the view @snooggums@kbin.social presented.
I still can't believe they made a "feminist" movie where men are the poor oppressed incels who don't matter because a woman won't date them. I knew misogynists would love this movie
I think you've missed the point of Ken's arc in this movie