It's funny, before this, I was just going to buy a legit copy and play it on my Deck (I have a Switch, but prefer the Deck)
Now, fuck those guys. If I play at all, it'll be on a pirated copy.
Deck is superior to Switch! And obligatory F—- Nintendo, and their 1990’s mindset with games and hardware. I’m convinced they’ll have to financially fail to start caring. Even a 30% reduction in their sales and player counts should quickly seize their attention.
At this point 2024 is looking like the Year Of Nintendo’s Failures starting off with Palworld. They certainly deserve to fail!
With all that free money, it looks like Nintendo will be just fine if I never purchase another one of their games. Hell, I may even offer to hack some of my friends' systems just to spite Nintendo.
I'm gonna rcm my switch now and copy my animal crossing island to my PC to be emulated. Shoulda done that a long time ago to have a backup that I actually own instead of having to pay Nintendo to keep my save data backed up. I see no reason to play any more Nintendo games on my switch, much less purchase any more when I have my steam deck.
So this defensive strategy was planned from the beginning. The L in LLC stands for limited. It means Nintendo won't get any money. Tropic Haze LLC declares bankruptcy and tells Nintendo "our assets are two rolls of toilet paper and this empty can of coke, GL with getting your millions". Certainly cheaper than fighting a top lawyer team with unlimited funding
Yeah the LLC structure always seemed weird to people. After what happened to Bowser serving prison sentence and having his future earnings garnished for the rest of his life, this might have been the smart play. Yuzu group will never be able to pay the 2 mil. Company goes under and owners walk away from this escaping real harm.
Is that really how it works? Good for them in that case.
It is possible to go after people directly, and side step the LLC protection in certain cases. Depends how much Nintendo wants to screw these guys.
I think Nintendo is gonna chill out because they got what they wanted. AFAIK in the super blatant piracy lawsuits, they won huge sums of money but required stupidly low payments of $50 monthly. Part of me thinks that they don't actually care about piracy itself, but they do care about how it affects their ownership of their properties.
A big reason why I say that is because of a legal theory made by Moon Channel on YouTube. Nintendo as a young company was sued by Universal because Donkey Kong violated the King Kong trademark. Nintendo won that case by arguing that Universal lost said trademark because it was loosely enforced, and they probably feared that another company could do the same to them if they weren't careful. This could be why they are only suing big targets that are profiting from emulation/piracy and not "non-profits" or smaller sites.
That being said, Nintendo wants to create legal precedent by denying a specific principle in the DMCA that was legally ambiguous. Previously, it was assumed that you could bypass copy protections by supplying your own keys, but now, providing instructions on how to do so may not be allowed.
And no one ever pirated a Nintendo game ever again.
In other news:
Switch sales up 2000%!
Nintendo stock reaches all-time high!
Half-Life 3 released!
The poor Nintendo executives can finally afford to go to space, like they deserve!
Via jettison? 🤞🏻
Straight into the sun!
That was fast.
They settled.
Saw this coming and made sure to update one last time. Ill probably just switch to Ryujinx at some point.
RIP Yuzu
Same. Updated on my desktop, though I forgot my Steam Deck. Apparently you can still update on Linux, so I'll be doing that after work
And just like that, Nintendo have guaranteed to never get a dime of my money again 🏴☠️
What a greedy corpo. I'll be waiting on the MVG video covering all the legal details whenever that drops
Same, and they fucked up the Citra Emulation too, and it's the only 3DS Emulator. Nintendo may makes great games, but they are better in a museum than fucking up the industry like that.
Sony will follow these steps.
MVG dropped a video today giving his thoughts on it
nintendrones are the most brainwashed corporate bootlickers I've ever encountered
There’s a steam deck discord that was muting people and banning some people for even saying the word “emulation”
The mods were quite scared and authoritative and acting powerless at the same time.
"Say sorry" is crazy lmao
As of right now Citra and Yuzu are both available via Flathub!! If you want them there's still time!!!!
Lol install statistics shot up when initial news broke last week.
Installs are nothing. Fork it. Improve it. Even better if original devs would still contribute.
Honestly someone should just copy all of the files onto 10, 000 cheap small flash drives and just hand them out everywhere.
nintendo? more like nintendon't!
Anyone know where to get the most recent linux build as a .deb? I wanna have an installer in case I have to wipe my os or something like that.
I heard the flat pack is still up
Yep, snap too
Yeah, but is there a way to download flatpacks for an Install at another time?
I wanna be able to install it at a later point in time (for example when I reinstall my system)
apt download yuzu will download the deb file (but not dependencies) of the latest release to the PWD. But if you want the latest dev version, you'll have to build from source.
I wouldn't put anything on GH at this point, not with lawsuits going around.
More important than maintaining the source code though is forming a new group to manage the continued development of Yuzu and Citra. Hopefully they don't fracture into ten groups all making parallel improvements.
No, I hope they do and all on open source so they can pull from each other's improvements. Redundancy will help keep things going
How would one go about downloading and building it from that link?
github forks can easily be DMCA-ed, find a mirror somewhere other than github
Fuck Nintendo. Bunch of money hungry cunts. I hope their sales plummet. Emulation isn't illegal but here fucking are being forced to buy their horrendously shitty console to play a game. Glad I bought mine secondhand and already sold it. You once had honour. Now you can commit seppuku
this case does not set any legal precedent, but it's still a shame they settled.
I guess this is damage control, since they are afraid of setting a precedent of potentially killing off legal emulation in the US for good.
There's no chance, an emulator dev team can take it up against Nintendo's lawyers.
Don't blame Nintendo, blame capitalism.
Both. Blame both.
Blame Canada, blame Canada!!
Oh wait....
True, if they went to court and lost, every emulator project would likely be sued. But settling out of court also sets a precedent, or rather perpetuates the current status quo of crushing any vaguely gray area fan project with the threat of legal action. The shutdown of Yuzu will embolden Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony to be more aggressive about killing off these projects. Until someone does take one of these three to trial and wins, things are going to continue getting worse for game preservation.
Capitalism taking its' course until we stop it, I'm afraid.
This is just encouragement for ryjunix to prep for new console (which is probably going to be almost the exact same)
Anybody has the last citra build? The one I have is almost a year old.
It's a dark day. I also miss the discord already.
Only a matter of time. Idk how they thought Nintendo wouldn’t come after them. That’s Nintendos whole mo
Cowards. Both Nintendo and the devs for not even bothering with fighting back.
Ahh look at that, a person on the internet having a big mouth without actually having knowledge into the matter. Nothing new.
They are not cowards at all.
Never take on a corporate company that has billions to spend for the suing. They took the smartest and best route for themselves and that’s what matters - what’s best for them.
If you want someone to “fight” against Nintendo, be the change! Do it yourself.
If you want someone to “fight” against Nintendo, be the change! Do it yourself.
And also probably live in Russia (or another CIS state) you know, like most of the famous crackers who still do this and continue to get away with it. Otherwise they (Nintendo or some other western Corpo) will just do the same thing all over again.
Or you could just have a team there, but it didn't work so well for Gary Bowser, so if you go that route consider the first option.
Sony shouldn't sue anyone emulating PS4/5 stuff. AFAIK, PC is the king of modding.
Yeah maybe not, it's mostly just Nintendo, I wouldn't put it behind Microsoft to do something similar, though they haven't tried anything yet, and also don't really have any console exclusives anymore (that they care about, most of them are forgotten on Xbox 360).
Technically suing costs the company nothing. They are paying lawyers anyway.
They're cowards for not using the chance to kill any judge dumb enough to entertain "copyright laws." Or better yet, coward for not using the chance to call in Miyamoto and killing his rentseeking ass.
What are you, twelve years old?
Well yeah, look at the @. All of hexbear is edgelord children.
I’m curious, are you a teenager? The way you are writing makes me think, you are.
For example “fighting” and “killing” .
These terms don’t really suit the topic.
Not only that you write about things, you clearly have no knowledge of.
They are not cowards at all, they took the best and smartest route for themselves to not get into even more financial debt, mental health issues and immensely stressful situations.
I’m quite certain, you have no idea how big of a toll this situation takes on the Yuzu developers.
Not only that, they were definitely not going to manage winning the case against Nintendo. They do not have the financial capacity nor the right lawyers for it.
Nintendo has enough money and great lawyers to drag this for years if they wanted to.
Anyway because it seems you cannot be reasoned with, this will be my last comment to you.
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I doubt they're cowards. Nintendo could smack everyone on the team back into the middle ages. Settling i imagine would end it now instead of completely ruining thier lives.
It's funny, before this, I was just going to buy a legit copy and play it on my Deck (I have a Switch, but prefer the Deck)
Now, fuck those guys. If I play at all, it'll be on a pirated copy.
Deck is superior to Switch! And obligatory F—- Nintendo, and their 1990’s mindset with games and hardware. I’m convinced they’ll have to financially fail to start caring. Even a 30% reduction in their sales and player counts should quickly seize their attention.
At this point 2024 is looking like the Year Of Nintendo’s Failures starting off with Palworld. They certainly deserve to fail!
With all that free money, it looks like Nintendo will be just fine if I never purchase another one of their games. Hell, I may even offer to hack some of my friends' systems just to spite Nintendo.
I'm gonna rcm my switch now and copy my animal crossing island to my PC to be emulated. Shoulda done that a long time ago to have a backup that I actually own instead of having to pay Nintendo to keep my save data backed up. I see no reason to play any more Nintendo games on my switch, much less purchase any more when I have my steam deck.
So this defensive strategy was planned from the beginning. The L in LLC stands for limited. It means Nintendo won't get any money. Tropic Haze LLC declares bankruptcy and tells Nintendo "our assets are two rolls of toilet paper and this empty can of coke, GL with getting your millions". Certainly cheaper than fighting a top lawyer team with unlimited funding
Yeah the LLC structure always seemed weird to people. After what happened to Bowser serving prison sentence and having his future earnings garnished for the rest of his life, this might have been the smart play. Yuzu group will never be able to pay the 2 mil. Company goes under and owners walk away from this escaping real harm.
Is that really how it works? Good for them in that case.
It's complicated. I'm no lawyer so take this with a grain of salt, but LLCs don't offer blanket protection. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piercing_the_corporate_veil
It is possible to go after people directly, and side step the LLC protection in certain cases. Depends how much Nintendo wants to screw these guys.
I think Nintendo is gonna chill out because they got what they wanted. AFAIK in the super blatant piracy lawsuits, they won huge sums of money but required stupidly low payments of $50 monthly. Part of me thinks that they don't actually care about piracy itself, but they do care about how it affects their ownership of their properties.
A big reason why I say that is because of a legal theory made by Moon Channel on YouTube. Nintendo as a young company was sued by Universal because Donkey Kong violated the King Kong trademark. Nintendo won that case by arguing that Universal lost said trademark because it was loosely enforced, and they probably feared that another company could do the same to them if they weren't careful. This could be why they are only suing big targets that are profiting from emulation/piracy and not "non-profits" or smaller sites.
That being said, Nintendo wants to create legal precedent by denying a specific principle in the DMCA that was legally ambiguous. Previously, it was assumed that you could bypass copy protections by supplying your own keys, but now, providing instructions on how to do so may not be allowed.
And no one ever pirated a Nintendo game ever again.
In other news:
The poor Nintendo executives can finally afford to go to space, like they deserve!
Via jettison? 🤞🏻
Straight into the sun!
That was fast.
They settled.
Saw this coming and made sure to update one last time. Ill probably just switch to Ryujinx at some point.
RIP Yuzu
Same. Updated on my desktop, though I forgot my Steam Deck. Apparently you can still update on Linux, so I'll be doing that after work
And just like that, Nintendo have guaranteed to never get a dime of my money again 🏴☠️
What a greedy corpo. I'll be waiting on the MVG video covering all the legal details whenever that drops
Same, and they fucked up the Citra Emulation too, and it's the only 3DS Emulator. Nintendo may makes great games, but they are better in a museum than fucking up the industry like that.
Sony will follow these steps.
MVG dropped a video today giving his thoughts on it
nintendrones are the most brainwashed corporate bootlickers I've ever encountered
There’s a steam deck discord that was muting people and banning some people for even saying the word “emulation”
The mods were quite scared and authoritative and acting powerless at the same time.
"Say sorry" is crazy lmao
As of right now Citra and Yuzu are both available via Flathub!! If you want them there's still time!!!!
Lol install statistics shot up when initial news broke last week.
Installs are nothing. Fork it. Improve it. Even better if original devs would still contribute.
Honestly someone should just copy all of the files onto 10, 000 cheap small flash drives and just hand them out everywhere.
nintendo? more like nintendon't!
Anyone know where to get the most recent linux build as a .deb? I wanna have an installer in case I have to wipe my os or something like that.
I heard the flat pack is still up
Yep, snap too
Yeah, but is there a way to download flatpacks for an Install at another time?
I wanna be able to install it at a later point in time (for example when I reinstall my system)
apt download yuzuwill download the deb file (but not dependencies) of the latest release to the PWD. But if you want the latest dev version, you'll have to build from source.Thanks, I didn't know this was an option :D.
GitHub releases?
Their git hub is gone
Are there any viable Yuzu or Citra forks?
A guy on the Lemmy.world post posted this: https://github.com/TxzK/yuzu
I wouldn't put anything on GH at this point, not with lawsuits going around.
More important than maintaining the source code though is forming a new group to manage the continued development of Yuzu and Citra. Hopefully they don't fracture into ten groups all making parallel improvements.
No, I hope they do and all on open source so they can pull from each other's improvements. Redundancy will help keep things going
How would one go about downloading and building it from that link?
github forks can easily be DMCA-ed, find a mirror somewhere other than github
Fuck Nintendo. Bunch of money hungry cunts. I hope their sales plummet. Emulation isn't illegal but here fucking are being forced to buy their horrendously shitty console to play a game. Glad I bought mine secondhand and already sold it. You once had honour. Now you can commit seppuku
this case does not set any legal precedent, but it's still a shame they settled.
I guess this is damage control, since they are afraid of setting a precedent of potentially killing off legal emulation in the US for good.
There's no chance, an emulator dev team can take it up against Nintendo's lawyers.
Don't blame Nintendo, blame capitalism.
Both. Blame both.
Blame Canada, blame Canada!! Oh wait....
True, if they went to court and lost, every emulator project would likely be sued. But settling out of court also sets a precedent, or rather perpetuates the current status quo of crushing any vaguely gray area fan project with the threat of legal action. The shutdown of Yuzu will embolden Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony to be more aggressive about killing off these projects. Until someone does take one of these three to trial and wins, things are going to continue getting worse for game preservation.
Capitalism taking its' course until we stop it, I'm afraid.
This is just encouragement for ryjunix to prep for new console (which is probably going to be almost the exact same)
Anybody has the last citra build? The one I have is almost a year old.
It's a dark day. I also miss the discord already.
Only a matter of time. Idk how they thought Nintendo wouldn’t come after them. That’s Nintendos whole mo
Cowards. Both Nintendo and the devs for not even bothering with fighting back.
Ahh look at that, a person on the internet having a big mouth without actually having knowledge into the matter. Nothing new.
They are not cowards at all.
Never take on a corporate company that has billions to spend for the suing. They took the smartest and best route for themselves and that’s what matters - what’s best for them.
If you want someone to “fight” against Nintendo, be the change! Do it yourself.
And also probably live in Russia (or another CIS state) you know, like most of the famous crackers who still do this and continue to get away with it. Otherwise they (Nintendo or some other western Corpo) will just do the same thing all over again.
Or you could just have a team there, but it didn't work so well for Gary Bowser, so if you go that route consider the first option.
Sony shouldn't sue anyone emulating PS4/5 stuff. AFAIK, PC is the king of modding.
Yeah maybe not, it's mostly just Nintendo, I wouldn't put it behind Microsoft to do something similar, though they haven't tried anything yet, and also don't really have any console exclusives anymore (that they care about, most of them are forgotten on Xbox 360).
Technically suing costs the company nothing. They are paying lawyers anyway.
They're cowards for not using the chance to kill any judge dumb enough to entertain "copyright laws." Or better yet, coward for not using the chance to call in Miyamoto and killing his rentseeking ass.
What are you, twelve years old?
Well yeah, look at the @. All of hexbear is edgelord children.
I’m curious, are you a teenager? The way you are writing makes me think, you are. For example “fighting” and “killing” . These terms don’t really suit the topic.
Not only that you write about things, you clearly have no knowledge of. They are not cowards at all, they took the best and smartest route for themselves to not get into even more financial debt, mental health issues and immensely stressful situations.
I’m quite certain, you have no idea how big of a toll this situation takes on the Yuzu developers.
Not only that, they were definitely not going to manage winning the case against Nintendo. They do not have the financial capacity nor the right lawyers for it. Nintendo has enough money and great lawyers to drag this for years if they wanted to.
Anyway because it seems you cannot be reasoned with, this will be my last comment to you.
Peak reddit comment
I doubt they're cowards. Nintendo could smack everyone on the team back into the middle ages. Settling i imagine would end it now instead of completely ruining thier lives.