It has seemed like the painfully obvious solution for years to simply have both mics powered off until and unless it's time for that candidate to speak.
If they get 30 seconds, after 30 seconds, the timer cuts the power again.
why would anybody tolerate that? I wouldn't. if my mic got cut after 30 seconds, I would kick over my podium and grab the moderator's mic.
why would anybody tolerate that? I wouldn't. if my mic got cut after 30 seconds, I would kick over my podium and grab the moderator's mic.
And that means you wouldn’t make a very good president.
Well that's just how political debates in non-shithole countries work.
It picks the podium up, my friend
or else it gets the hose again
There's no point in debating anyways. What has Trump done in all of the debates he's ever partaken in since 2016? It's nothing but loud mouth, underhanded and stepping over boundaries kind of tactics. That's all he's got, it's all he's had and it's all he's ever going to have. There is no point in debating about serious issues with a diaper-shitting loudmouth who's going to just rabble at you. It'd be like talking to a dumb Reddit troll who's an armchair know-it-all.
there's no point debating at all because it doesn't change anyone's minds, it's just who can score the more points. trump knows how to score points: be funny and roast the competition rather than droning on about politic minutae that no one watching truly cares about or remembers
and if the issues are so serious, why would you not interrupt the opposition and be underhanded rather than letting him carry on to be polite? pandora's box has been opened, debates are effectively entertainment and people want their guy to be entertaining. i wish someone on the left would adopt the trump style bombast and use it benevolently
I don’t know. I agree with you, but part of me thinks we shouldn’t stop trying to win Republicans over to the moderate center (notice I didn’t say “left”). Because, if not, then what’s the point of politics, exactly?
Isn't the point of politics to find a set of rules dissimilarly minded people can live by together?
I think it could strengthen Biden's chances. There's nothing for Trump to really hit Biden with. All of Biden's major fuck ups or unpopular stances are exacerbated under Trump.
Biden tried for a bipartisan immigration bill that Trump wouldn't support. So nothing on immigration.
Biden is still funding Israel which Trump is all in on. So only vector there is that Biden doesn't want obvious genocide, not a strong point.
Interest rates trending downward, so "economy" is toothless.
It would actually be good if Trump tried to attack him on anything like that.
I'd be surprised if the DNC let the RNC, let alone Trump, set all the rules.
I forgot how Trump and friends seemed to try to intentionally give Biden Covid last time.
Anyway, I think it’s unlikely Trump will debate him. If they do, the moderators should definitely enforce turning off the mic when it’s not someone’s turn to talk and not allow Trump to creepily wander around the stage and stand behind Biden like he did to Clinton.
Remember last time when Trump did whatever the negligent version of attempted assassination is by going on stage with COVID?
There’s absolutely nothing in it for Biden. Nor for the country. It’s just a grotesque spectacle.
Nor for the country.
I disagree. As fucked as this particular situation is, the people should be able to watch the candidates answer hard questions. That's what happens normally and I don't see why that should change just because the diaper shitting orange narcissist is involved.
It shouldn’t make a difference, but here we are. It’s utterly pointless.
It’s not pointless. One thing narcissists and wannabe strongmen do is act like they are above the rules that the rest of us have to abide by. Norms and conventions are for the little people. A good way to push back is to hold them to the same standards as anybody else. It sends the message that they aren’t special, and if Trump doesn’t like that, well tough shit. Let Biden have the allotted time all to himself in that case.
The only way to get through to Trump is to imprison him (actually, I doubt he could own up to his actions, even then). I’d be fine with Biden listing out policy positions and answering questions for an hour.
That’s one way, not the only way. One thing narcissists cannot abide is ridicule but I don’t know if Biden is the guy to do that. If he could provoke Trump into a meltdown on live TV that could be enough to seal a second term. It’s a shame it’s not Newsom though, I’m not a huge fan of his but he would straight up roast Trump for 90 minutes.
watch the candidates answer hard questions
You think they'll actually answer ANY questions?
That’s on whoever is chosen to moderate the debate but yes, they need to be held to account.
We have yet to see a lawyer, judge, politician, or rational human being be able to successfully moderate Donald Trump, that's what the other person is saying. He's a toddler, he's either babbling nonsense or he's having a temper tantrum. There's no point in a debate if the person you're debating just wants to whine and lie.
But, I suppose if you want to watch 2 geriatrics losing touch with reality in different ways, at different stages, you could always volunteer at a nursing home.
I’m not denying that any moderator would have a difficult job controlling Trump but that’s not a valid reason to deprive voters of the opportunity to witness democracy in action, imo.
Have you not paid attention in the past 5 years? He doesn't debate or answer anything directly, and he isn't for democracy. But yeah, let's hear what the literal Nazi sympathizer has to say.
Biden doesn't want a debate.
And trump doesn't either.
So they're both going to say they're willing but can't because of ______.
Last election I'm pretty sure was the first in modern history we didn't get the standard 3, I'll be surprised if we get 1 this time.
I'm pretty sure Biden does want a debate. He's been intentionally pushing Trump's buttons for a minute now.
He would be ecstatic if he could get Trump to sundown during a debate, which is likely why Trump's handlers won't let him do it.
Or, at least, get to tell him to shut up on TV again.
Legend
What does that mean, to sundown?
Dementia symptoms becoming visible.
What is sundowning?
Sometimes you might see changes in the person’s behaviour in the later afternoon or towards the end of the day. During this time the person may become intensely distressed, agitated and have hallucinations or delusions. This may continue into the night, making it hard for them to get enough sleep.
This is sometimes known as ‘sundowning’ but is not necessarily linked to the sun setting or limited to the end of the day. Sundowning can happen at any stage of dementia but is more common during the middle stage and later stages.
People with Alzheimer’s tend to be in better spirits with more manageable symptoms during the day and the difference can be striking. Because it’s frequently tied to the daylight, to “sundown” is to experience more severe Alzheimer’s symptoms. Basically, if Biden can get trump to have a brain fart and show mental incompetence.
Sidenote: I’m pretty sure I write like chatgpt, which is a fucking problem for the thesis I’m working on.
He saw that Dark Brandon AI debate and took notes
This is exactly how I speak to my dad when he wants to play a game of pool. I tell him that I’ll play only if he doesn’t throw temper tantrums, he tells me that he’ll do his best and I always regret my decision. I haven’t played pool with him in years. The only way to win is to not play.
He'll grow out of it
Sure, when he's dead.
People that old don't change unless they're willing. And someone who throws temper tantrums at billiards is not at all willing.
DO NOT DO THIS.
JOE - Whoever - SERIOUSLY. Do. Not. Get into the same room / frame / discussion with that traitorous rapist garbage. Don’t even joke about it. No.
No, no, no.
If he does do a debate with Trump he should do to Trump what Trump did to Hillary. Bring in rape victims of his, set up a booth for them to sit at before it starts, then call the media over to talk to them.
Why would his rape victims want to do that exactly?
Bill's did, so for the same reasons.
Bill Clinton? If so… For one, if you are referring to Monica Lewinsky, that was a mutual act.
Trump, on the other hand, raped a person (this was proved in court), and probably others (speculation, but public perception would indicate it is true).
I’m sorry, but there is a difference here.
Not Monica Lewinski. I was thinking more Paula Jones, Juanita Broaderick, etc. I think you need to learn more about Bill Clinton and the lengths Hillary went to defame and destroy his accusers.
On the one hand, candidates should not, under any circumstances, have a choice. Eligibility for office should be predicated on participation in public debates, structured and moderated under direct democratic control. On the other hand, stopping Trump is essential, and in the system we have, not the system I wish we had, this is a good strategy. Biden is assuming the role of adult in the room, and making Trump come to him, setting vague terms he never actually has to deliver on. He's setting up the conclusion that if there isn't a debate, it's because Trump was an ill-behaved child, but if there is, it will be on Biden's terms. Very well played.
why would they debate this election has been over since it started
same two old fucks as last time that are corporate as hell and won't do shit for the american people
at least now the two corporate parties have stopped the theater act and are just like fuck it does not matter anyway our shareholders will win either way
One wants to install a real fascist state for the first day of their second term. The other not.
Keep repeating this.
One will pardon every convicted felon from January 6th. The other... will continue to keep them in jail.
Totally the same!
One will pardon every convicted felon from January 6th.
I doubt that. Trump will only pardon people for whom there is an economic advantage for him to do so.
There is an advantage to signaling to your extremist followers that you will shield them from consequences, so they can do their worst with impunity.
That's how dictatorships work. And there's an economic advantage to being a dictator.
But he already played that up and left people out to dry in his 2016 campaign
But the same crowd still support him. So he knows already knows he doesn't have to protect them. He pardoned a bunch of 2016 campaign insiders because they were a liability to him if the decided to turn on him. So I genuinely don't think he will pardon anybody where there's not a clear quid pro quo of how it directly benefits him.
They should debate so people can understand that they are not the same despite some people repeating it over and over again as if they can convince other people.
not repeating over and over again
suffering through the Democrat/Republican rule over and over again worse every year
and every time a glimmer of hope shines through we have the corporate parties to shut it out
remember when the two parties chained a presidential candidate to a chair because they were afraid of someone else on the debate floor
elections have turned into a political soap opera with two people bashing each other
Every once in a while it would be nice if you people got new talking points.
I agree with
SatansMaggotyCumFart
Shitting on Biden is the only strategy Trump supporters actually have. It's not like Trump stands for anything they can say out loud.
Are you a GOP bot? You must be a GOP bot.
I don't remember the parties chaining a candidate to a chair. I know you're not talking about Jill Stein as that would be a gross mischaracterization. It would be like me saying she was a paid agent of Putinist Russia.
With that, the 2012 Green party presidential ticket moved back into the road and sat down, refusing to move. After ignoring calls to get out of the way of the flow of traffic, they were arrested.
Put them both in soundproof booths and only turn on their microphones when it’s their turn to actually respond to a question.
Let's make it more interesting, shock collars for both of them.
You can’t broadcast the murder of two elderly people on national TV, they’d have put it on HBO or pay per view
It has seemed like the painfully obvious solution for years to simply have both mics powered off until and unless it's time for that candidate to speak.
If they get 30 seconds, after 30 seconds, the timer cuts the power again.
why would anybody tolerate that? I wouldn't. if my mic got cut after 30 seconds, I would kick over my podium and grab the moderator's mic.
And that means you wouldn’t make a very good president.
Well that's just how political debates in non-shithole countries work.
It picks the podium up, my friend or else it gets the hose again
This is genius
There's no point in debating anyways. What has Trump done in all of the debates he's ever partaken in since 2016? It's nothing but loud mouth, underhanded and stepping over boundaries kind of tactics. That's all he's got, it's all he's had and it's all he's ever going to have. There is no point in debating about serious issues with a diaper-shitting loudmouth who's going to just rabble at you. It'd be like talking to a dumb Reddit troll who's an armchair know-it-all.
there's no point debating at all because it doesn't change anyone's minds, it's just who can score the more points. trump knows how to score points: be funny and roast the competition rather than droning on about politic minutae that no one watching truly cares about or remembers
and if the issues are so serious, why would you not interrupt the opposition and be underhanded rather than letting him carry on to be polite? pandora's box has been opened, debates are effectively entertainment and people want their guy to be entertaining. i wish someone on the left would adopt the trump style bombast and use it benevolently
I don’t know. I agree with you, but part of me thinks we shouldn’t stop trying to win Republicans over to the moderate center (notice I didn’t say “left”). Because, if not, then what’s the point of politics, exactly?
Isn't the point of politics to find a set of rules dissimilarly minded people can live by together?
I think it could strengthen Biden's chances. There's nothing for Trump to really hit Biden with. All of Biden's major fuck ups or unpopular stances are exacerbated under Trump.
Biden tried for a bipartisan immigration bill that Trump wouldn't support. So nothing on immigration.
Biden is still funding Israel which Trump is all in on. So only vector there is that Biden doesn't want obvious genocide, not a strong point.
Interest rates trending downward, so "economy" is toothless.
It would actually be good if Trump tried to attack him on anything like that.
Don't forget that the RNC voted unanimously to withdraw from the Commission on Presidential Debates. Not sure ol Trump would abide, but no GOP candidates are to appear in primary or presidential debates not sanctioned by the RNC. They withdrew after Trump complained about timing, formats, and moderators.
I'd be surprised if the DNC let the RNC, let alone Trump, set all the rules.
I forgot how Trump and friends seemed to try to intentionally give Biden Covid last time.
Anyway, I think it’s unlikely Trump will debate him. If they do, the moderators should definitely enforce turning off the mic when it’s not someone’s turn to talk and not allow Trump to creepily wander around the stage and stand behind Biden like he did to Clinton.
Remember last time when Trump did whatever the negligent version of attempted assassination is by going on stage with COVID?
There’s absolutely nothing in it for Biden. Nor for the country. It’s just a grotesque spectacle.
I disagree. As fucked as this particular situation is, the people should be able to watch the candidates answer hard questions. That's what happens normally and I don't see why that should change just because the diaper shitting orange narcissist is involved.
It shouldn’t make a difference, but here we are. It’s utterly pointless.
It’s not pointless. One thing narcissists and wannabe strongmen do is act like they are above the rules that the rest of us have to abide by. Norms and conventions are for the little people. A good way to push back is to hold them to the same standards as anybody else. It sends the message that they aren’t special, and if Trump doesn’t like that, well tough shit. Let Biden have the allotted time all to himself in that case.
The only way to get through to Trump is to imprison him (actually, I doubt he could own up to his actions, even then). I’d be fine with Biden listing out policy positions and answering questions for an hour.
That’s one way, not the only way. One thing narcissists cannot abide is ridicule but I don’t know if Biden is the guy to do that. If he could provoke Trump into a meltdown on live TV that could be enough to seal a second term. It’s a shame it’s not Newsom though, I’m not a huge fan of his but he would straight up roast Trump for 90 minutes.
You think they'll actually answer ANY questions?
That’s on whoever is chosen to moderate the debate but yes, they need to be held to account.
We have yet to see a lawyer, judge, politician, or rational human being be able to successfully moderate Donald Trump, that's what the other person is saying. He's a toddler, he's either babbling nonsense or he's having a temper tantrum. There's no point in a debate if the person you're debating just wants to whine and lie.
But, I suppose if you want to watch 2 geriatrics losing touch with reality in different ways, at different stages, you could always volunteer at a nursing home.
I’m not denying that any moderator would have a difficult job controlling Trump but that’s not a valid reason to deprive voters of the opportunity to witness democracy in action, imo.
Have you not paid attention in the past 5 years? He doesn't debate or answer anything directly, and he isn't for democracy. But yeah, let's hear what the literal Nazi sympathizer has to say.
Biden doesn't want a debate.
And trump doesn't either.
So they're both going to say they're willing but can't because of ______.
Last election I'm pretty sure was the first in modern history we didn't get the standard 3, I'll be surprised if we get 1 this time.
I'm pretty sure Biden does want a debate. He's been intentionally pushing Trump's buttons for a minute now.
He would be ecstatic if he could get Trump to sundown during a debate, which is likely why Trump's handlers won't let him do it.
Or, at least, get to tell him to shut up on TV again.
Legend
What does that mean, to sundown?
Dementia symptoms becoming visible.
People with Alzheimer’s tend to be in better spirits with more manageable symptoms during the day and the difference can be striking. Because it’s frequently tied to the daylight, to “sundown” is to experience more severe Alzheimer’s symptoms. Basically, if Biden can get trump to have a brain fart and show mental incompetence.
Sidenote: I’m pretty sure I write like chatgpt, which is a fucking problem for the thesis I’m working on.
He saw that Dark Brandon AI debate and took notes
This is exactly how I speak to my dad when he wants to play a game of pool. I tell him that I’ll play only if he doesn’t throw temper tantrums, he tells me that he’ll do his best and I always regret my decision. I haven’t played pool with him in years. The only way to win is to not play.
He'll grow out of it
Sure, when he's dead.
People that old don't change unless they're willing. And someone who throws temper tantrums at billiards is not at all willing.
DO NOT DO THIS.
JOE - Whoever - SERIOUSLY. Do. Not. Get into the same room / frame / discussion with that traitorous rapist garbage. Don’t even joke about it. No.
No, no, no.
If he does do a debate with Trump he should do to Trump what Trump did to Hillary. Bring in rape victims of his, set up a booth for them to sit at before it starts, then call the media over to talk to them.
Why would his rape victims want to do that exactly?
Bill's did, so for the same reasons.
Bill Clinton? If so… For one, if you are referring to Monica Lewinsky, that was a mutual act.
Trump, on the other hand, raped a person (this was proved in court), and probably others (speculation, but public perception would indicate it is true).
I’m sorry, but there is a difference here.
Not Monica Lewinski. I was thinking more Paula Jones, Juanita Broaderick, etc. I think you need to learn more about Bill Clinton and the lengths Hillary went to defame and destroy his accusers.
On the one hand, candidates should not, under any circumstances, have a choice. Eligibility for office should be predicated on participation in public debates, structured and moderated under direct democratic control. On the other hand, stopping Trump is essential, and in the system we have, not the system I wish we had, this is a good strategy. Biden is assuming the role of adult in the room, and making Trump come to him, setting vague terms he never actually has to deliver on. He's setting up the conclusion that if there isn't a debate, it's because Trump was an ill-behaved child, but if there is, it will be on Biden's terms. Very well played.
why would they debate this election has been over since it started
same two old fucks as last time that are corporate as hell and won't do shit for the american people
at least now the two corporate parties have stopped the theater act and are just like fuck it does not matter anyway our shareholders will win either way
One wants to install a real fascist state for the first day of their second term. The other not.
Keep repeating this.
One will pardon every convicted felon from January 6th. The other... will continue to keep them in jail.
Totally the same!
I doubt that. Trump will only pardon people for whom there is an economic advantage for him to do so.
There is an advantage to signaling to your extremist followers that you will shield them from consequences, so they can do their worst with impunity.
That's how dictatorships work. And there's an economic advantage to being a dictator.
But he already played that up and left people out to dry in his 2016 campaign
J6 insurrectionists already hoped/expected Trump to issue pardons before he left office
But the same crowd still support him. So he knows already knows he doesn't have to protect them. He pardoned a bunch of 2016 campaign insiders because they were a liability to him if the decided to turn on him. So I genuinely don't think he will pardon anybody where there's not a clear quid pro quo of how it directly benefits him.
They should debate so people can understand that they are not the same despite some people repeating it over and over again as if they can convince other people.
not repeating over and over again
suffering through the Democrat/Republican rule over and over again worse every year
and every time a glimmer of hope shines through we have the corporate parties to shut it out
remember when the two parties chained a presidential candidate to a chair because they were afraid of someone else on the debate floor
elections have turned into a political soap opera with two people bashing each other
Every once in a while it would be nice if you people got new talking points.
I agree with SatansMaggotyCumFart
Shitting on Biden is the only strategy Trump supporters actually have. It's not like Trump stands for anything they can say out loud.
Are you a GOP bot? You must be a GOP bot.
I don't remember the parties chaining a candidate to a chair. I know you're not talking about Jill Stein as that would be a gross mischaracterization. It would be like me saying she was a paid agent of Putinist Russia.