You're in a community on a primarily LGBT instance. One of the most affluent and influential countries in the world has one of their two major political parties trying to declare that anyone who's not cis, white, heterosexual is an aberration that needs to be purged.
An attitude that is attempting to spread to other Western nations.
Something which is either actively affecting, or will potentially effect, many of the members of this instance.
So, uh, anyway... sorry for offending you, but if you don't like things getting spicy then maybe this isn't the place for you.
Tell that to the hordes of people yelling why they won't vote, despite all of this. Discussion with these people is like talking to a brick wall. I don't think this community is appropriate for these exchanges.
that could be part of the problem is you are engaging with the trolls
trolls are there to straw man and be annoying. they get a kick out of every response. consider blocking them and reporting if their takes are bigoted enough.
When almost every top-level comment is people saying this shit and almost every comment has a thread of people arguing over it, the problem is more than a handful of trolls. I think this community isn't equipped to moderate threads that are primarily about US politics.
i don’t disagree. most communities are not equipped to such things in fact. hence the common phrase “don’t feed the trolls.”
not trying to victim blame you here, your experience is absolutely valid and you shouldn’t have to worry about these things but the reality is the ideal change is too costly, so the only alternative is the collective understanding that we don’t give the trolls what they want and eventually they leave.
It's hard to tell who is a troll and who is an extremist when there are entire instances run by tankies like Lemmy.ml and Hexbear.
I don't believe there are hoards of people. They are paid trolls. While there may be a few who are that stupid, I suspect only a few actual humans are running bots and multiple accounts. Ban them.
You have been told to go. In a friendly manner.
You ignored that and stayed to argue. Calling others a brick wall while being a brick wall.
To be fair: Not purged, just sent to forced re-education camps where they beat the queer out of you with a $59.99 bible, in the name of a loving, tolerant god. But come on, who doesn’t love camp? Amirite?
Don't give fascists the benefit of the doubt. They'll betray it every time.
Oh they definitely don’t enjoy the benefit of my doubt.
I've seen two posts in just the last hour about the "flood" of US politics posts and not a single post about US politics posted in a few days.
Either I must have the users posting that stuff blocked, or someone's making a mountain out of a molehill on a personal vendetta.
And those who know, know I am always everywhere. If it existed, I'd have commented on it.
with no ill will to OP, their comment history shows that they have been involved in heated debates in a grand total of… two. political posts on 196 in the past few days.
i believe OP is misidentifying the issue. trolls. it’s just trolls. :(
It's true, if you or FlyingSquid weren't there, it didn't happen.
And those who know, know I am always everywhere. If it existed, I'd have commented on it.
I identify with this all too much, and I agree.
Can confirm, I see you (both) everywhere
...does that mean you've blocked me?
that's genuinely kind of upsetting -- i think you're a really cool person
So, to quote Jimmy Carr: an American, but not armed? 😛
It's ok I'd rather I not exist too
It's almost like it was invented here 🤔
Ok, if you had to choose one country to repopulate the Internet, who do you pick?
FWIW, you have my permission to wipe us off the face of the planet
with peace and love 196 has always been this way you won’t be able to fight it without changing the core culture of 196
what you can do is post content you want to see, which you are doing here so excellent work keep it up 😎👍🙌
Speaking of shitshow, have you been following American politics right now???
Asking for a friend.
i cant help but not to when the entire internet has nothing but amerlcan politics
i dont even live in america
You don't live in America yet
Don’t threaten them with a good time.
Neither do I.
But don't you love it when US election may affect your country too?
It will get even worse this election year. :(
get shitposting then cuz a lot of us are real pissed off and i cant blame them with the situation here in the us
Some advice, just block the users posting the politics, if your Lemmy phone app or the desktop browser version support doing so. If they post stuff you don't want to see now, they'll post stuff you don't want to see again in the future.
Me personally, that's what I do. My mental health is in a tight spot and I don't have the energy for the doomer shit any more, so I'd like to hang onto some of my essence, because I can just wait to go full doomer panic mode if Trump cucks his way into 2024 and starts banning trans people from life (which would affect me).
Also it's worth considering, a lot of these people being "no I want the Dems to lose because some bullshit" might be fucking tankies/accelerationists sneaking in here again, not all of them but a bunch. That idea really clicked when a friend of mine pointed the possibility out.
I'm not that versed in politics because of my similar aversion to it as you seem to have, but I do know those idiots exist, are annoying and loud, and are just contrarion moron cowards who want democracy to end so they can con someone else into doing a whole revolution for them after it gets bad. Even though none of them would last through the getting bad part.
So just block people posting uncomfy memes, ignore Internet psychos, vote in November, including local elections wherever possible, and we'll all hopefully come out of this without too much lasting trauma.
good advice, sending love 💕 (assuming you haven’t blocked me cuz i post politics sometimes) 💞
I find reporting trolls and bad faith actors to be far more constructive and also productive then pretending that they don't exist.
If the de facto response is to block these trolls instead of reporting them then there's no way that the situation can get better. Lemmy isn't a free speech platform like Nostr moderation is important and one big part of moderation is reporting trolls and bad faith actors, essentially calling them out to the moderators.
So do your part and report the trolls and psychos and if you don't want to follow up later then block them, but it's important to file a report first.
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I can't believe HP and Tom Scott is becoming a political movement smh my head
Yeah I am not sure I get where op is even coming from here.
Out of the top 20 of all time, only 5 are even about American politics at all, and arguably 2 of those 5 are not American specific.
Where I'm from, if you're a conservative, leftist women won't fuck you either.
Edit: Ok, I went deeper and kept scrolling (this is honestly a good community, with good memes lol, glad to be here) and, I'm just eyeballing it here, but less than 1 in 5 posts even applies to American politics, and less than half of those is exclusive to it. So honestly, wtf op?
partially my fault i recently made a bad post which poked fun at certain users. who come into us politics posts and blame americans for their own suffering for not having a better system calling them lazy etc. i was literally just like hey that’s not nice lots of americans especially young ones haven’t had a say in their government. comments immediately turned sour and i got called names for “ruining 196” 🙁(even though it’s like always been this way). i deleted the post because i agree it was a bit mean spirited on reflection.
but i made a better one that was more to the point and has been better received. 🙂
No one is sorting by top of all time when they casually browse the community. They're sorting by hot, or something else restricted to a semi-recent time period.
sort by top of the day
Can't believe placing building is such a political move smh my head
Look, i get what you mean, but i feels like the community didn't sunk as low as you thought.
No one is sorting by top of all time when they casually browse
True, but you're not sounding casual at all with your hissy fit post 😄
I just sorted by hot, then sorted by top 24 hour and top 12 hour, and I don't see what you're talking about. None of the top 10 in any of these three sorts is about American politics
Hey, I am trying hard to post silly shitposts grunble grumble grumble
pats head *
You are doing a wonderful job, keep posting silly shitposts.
🥰🥰🥰 I lub pets C:
ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ
If you don't want trans people dealing with politics then you should stop politics from dealing with trans people.
We got to the "this entire community..." stage way faster than Reddit did.
Experience matters
Set default sort to new.
100% love that lemmy is still small enough that sorting by new still feels fresh almost every time 💞
I can't say the same thing OP says, because I blocked every politics community/magazine I could see when browsing all. But the truth is that most posts and comments, whether politics or not, are related to something about US.
The sad thing is that we can't do anything to bring balance onto the existing instances, so 80% of content will keep being related to US and 20% of content will keep being related to the rest of the world.
The good thing is that an instance called lemmywithout.us or kbinwithout.us could be created, similar to this magazine, but at instance level. Or we can block every community/magazine where most content, whether posts or comments, is related to US.
You're in a community on a primarily LGBT instance. One of the most affluent and influential countries in the world has one of their two major political parties trying to declare that anyone who's not cis, white, heterosexual is an aberration that needs to be purged.
An attitude that is attempting to spread to other Western nations.
Something which is either actively affecting, or will potentially effect, many of the members of this instance.
So, uh, anyway... sorry for offending you, but if you don't like things getting spicy then maybe this isn't the place for you.
Tell that to the hordes of people yelling why they won't vote, despite all of this. Discussion with these people is like talking to a brick wall. I don't think this community is appropriate for these exchanges.
that could be part of the problem is you are engaging with the trolls
trolls are there to straw man and be annoying. they get a kick out of every response. consider blocking them and reporting if their takes are bigoted enough.
When almost every top-level comment is people saying this shit and almost every comment has a thread of people arguing over it, the problem is more than a handful of trolls. I think this community isn't equipped to moderate threads that are primarily about US politics.
i don’t disagree. most communities are not equipped to such things in fact. hence the common phrase “don’t feed the trolls.”
not trying to victim blame you here, your experience is absolutely valid and you shouldn’t have to worry about these things but the reality is the ideal change is too costly, so the only alternative is the collective understanding that we don’t give the trolls what they want and eventually they leave.
It's hard to tell who is a troll and who is an extremist when there are entire instances run by tankies like Lemmy.ml and Hexbear.
I don't believe there are hoards of people. They are paid trolls. While there may be a few who are that stupid, I suspect only a few actual humans are running bots and multiple accounts. Ban them.
You have been told to go. In a friendly manner.
You ignored that and stayed to argue. Calling others a brick wall while being a brick wall.
You are incredible.
To be fair: Not purged, just sent to forced re-education camps where they beat the queer out of you with a $59.99 bible, in the name of a loving, tolerant god. But come on, who doesn’t love camp? Amirite?
Don't give fascists the benefit of the doubt. They'll betray it every time.
Oh they definitely don’t enjoy the benefit of my doubt.
I've seen two posts in just the last hour about the "flood" of US politics posts and not a single post about US politics posted in a few days.
Either I must have the users posting that stuff blocked, or someone's making a mountain out of a molehill on a personal vendetta.
And those who know, know I am always everywhere. If it existed, I'd have commented on it.
with no ill will to OP, their comment history shows that they have been involved in heated debates in a grand total of… two. political posts on 196 in the past few days.
i believe OP is misidentifying the issue. trolls. it’s just trolls. :(
It's true, if you or FlyingSquid weren't there, it didn't happen.
I identify with this all too much, and I agree.
Can confirm, I see you (both) everywhere
...does that mean you've blocked me?
that's genuinely kind of upsetting -- i think you're a really cool person
You're not blocked. 👍
Unfortunately the internet is full of Americans.
Sorry
You sound Canadian.
People think Canadians are nice.
Canadians are not nice. They are polite.
So, to quote Jimmy Carr: an American, but not armed? 😛
It's ok I'd rather I not exist too
It's almost like it was invented here 🤔
Ok, if you had to choose one country to repopulate the Internet, who do you pick?
FWIW, you have my permission to wipe us off the face of the planet
with peace and love 196 has always been this way you won’t be able to fight it without changing the core culture of 196
what you can do is post content you want to see, which you are doing here so excellent work keep it up 😎👍🙌
Speaking of shitshow, have you been following American politics right now??? Asking for a friend.
i cant help but not to when the entire internet has nothing but amerlcan politics
i dont even live in america
You don't live in America yet
Don’t threaten them with a good time.
Neither do I.
But don't you love it when US election may affect your country too?
It will get even worse this election year. :(
get shitposting then cuz a lot of us are real pissed off and i cant blame them with the situation here in the us
Some advice, just block the users posting the politics, if your Lemmy phone app or the desktop browser version support doing so. If they post stuff you don't want to see now, they'll post stuff you don't want to see again in the future.
Me personally, that's what I do. My mental health is in a tight spot and I don't have the energy for the doomer shit any more, so I'd like to hang onto some of my essence, because I can just wait to go full doomer panic mode if Trump cucks his way into 2024 and starts banning trans people from life (which would affect me).
Also it's worth considering, a lot of these people being "no I want the Dems to lose because some bullshit" might be fucking tankies/accelerationists sneaking in here again, not all of them but a bunch. That idea really clicked when a friend of mine pointed the possibility out.
I'm not that versed in politics because of my similar aversion to it as you seem to have, but I do know those idiots exist, are annoying and loud, and are just contrarion moron cowards who want democracy to end so they can con someone else into doing a whole revolution for them after it gets bad. Even though none of them would last through the getting bad part.
So just block people posting uncomfy memes, ignore Internet psychos, vote in November, including local elections wherever possible, and we'll all hopefully come out of this without too much lasting trauma.
good advice, sending love 💕 (assuming you haven’t blocked me cuz i post politics sometimes) 💞
I find reporting trolls and bad faith actors to be far more constructive and also productive then pretending that they don't exist.
If the de facto response is to block these trolls instead of reporting them then there's no way that the situation can get better. Lemmy isn't a free speech platform like Nostr moderation is important and one big part of moderation is reporting trolls and bad faith actors, essentially calling them out to the moderators.
So do your part and report the trolls and psychos and if you don't want to follow up later then block them, but it's important to file a report first.
sort by top of all time
I can't believe HP and Tom Scott is becoming a political movement smh my head
Yeah I am not sure I get where op is even coming from here.
Out of the top 20 of all time, only 5 are even about American politics at all, and arguably 2 of those 5 are not American specific.
Where I'm from, if you're a conservative, leftist women won't fuck you either.
Edit: Ok, I went deeper and kept scrolling (this is honestly a good community, with good memes lol, glad to be here) and, I'm just eyeballing it here, but less than 1 in 5 posts even applies to American politics, and less than half of those is exclusive to it. So honestly, wtf op?
partially my fault i recently made a bad post which poked fun at certain users. who come into us politics posts and blame americans for their own suffering for not having a better system calling them lazy etc. i was literally just like hey that’s not nice lots of americans especially young ones haven’t had a say in their government. comments immediately turned sour and i got called names for “ruining 196” 🙁(even though it’s like always been this way). i deleted the post because i agree it was a bit mean spirited on reflection.
but i made a better one that was more to the point and has been better received. 🙂
No one is sorting by top of all time when they casually browse the community. They're sorting by hot, or something else restricted to a semi-recent time period.
sort by top of the day
Can't believe placing building is such a political move smh my head
Look, i get what you mean, but i feels like the community didn't sunk as low as you thought.
True, but you're not sounding casual at all with your hissy fit post 😄
I just sorted by hot, then sorted by top 24 hour and top 12 hour, and I don't see what you're talking about. None of the top 10 in any of these three sorts is about American politics
Hey, I am trying hard to post silly shitposts grunble grumble grumble
You are doing a wonderful job, keep posting silly shitposts.
🥰🥰🥰 I lub pets C: ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ
If you don't want trans people dealing with politics then you should stop politics from dealing with trans people.
We got to the "this entire community..." stage way faster than Reddit did.
Experience matters
Set default sort to new.
100% love that lemmy is still small enough that sorting by new still feels fresh almost every time 💞
I can't say the same thing OP says, because I blocked every politics community/magazine I could see when browsing all. But the truth is that most posts and comments, whether politics or not, are related to something about US.
The sad thing is that we can't do anything to bring balance onto the existing instances, so 80% of content will keep being related to US and 20% of content will keep being related to the rest of the world.
The good thing is that an instance called lemmywithout.us or kbinwithout.us could be created, similar to this magazine, but at instance level. Or we can block every community/magazine where most content, whether posts or comments, is related to US.
Preach
More b holes, less b holes!