This was actually a big factor for me in "leaving the 'Left'" - i.e. remembering back when it was the religious establishment trying to censor the films (and succeeding in many countries). And now it's happening all over again but by the new "woke" establishment and LGBTQIA2S+ movement.
Hate to break it to you, but if complaints about one movie scene was all it took to get you to "leave" the left, then you were never really on the left to begin with.
It's not just that though, but the general shift to identity politics - even in Britain you'll see "leftist" groups doing things like silencing "white males" etc.
And also in many cases their proposals focus too much on the symptoms and/or end up with worse consequences, which is exactly what Marx was against. Like decriminalising theft below 300 euros which is common in many places now, but just leads to organised gangs exploiting it (just like lesser / no sentencing for teenagers, etc.). Likewise for pushing for rent control which usually just results in great unfairness in who is lucky enough to get the rent controlled properties - and then pass them down in their family, so you end up with unlucky working people paying far more in rent than much wealthier lucky families and pensioners.
I still usually vote for the centre-Left just due to being anti-religion and republican (anti-monarchy). But I wish there were more sensible economic and justice options too - like supporting the working class by shifting the tax burden to property owners and the wealthy (and taxing unproductive economic activity) over income and VAT, supporting the free market except for natural monopolies, etc.
You know the focus on identy and LGBTQ+ and all that comes from the right, correct?
Do you have any more info on that? I know a couple of trans people. They found that scene hilarious. It sounds like the sort of false flag complaint that come out of the far right quite often.
Unlike the right, the left does not aim to be monolithic. There are a variety of views on many topics, and how to fix them. There are idiots across the spectrum though, and all groups need to police them, to some extent.
I'm quite surprised it made you shift to the right. The right have been doing FAR more censorship, and that is backed by the leadership, to the point is being pushed into law.
I never said I shifted to the right, I just don't really take part in politics and usually vote for more centrist options on specific issues. I agree the right-wing are worse, here in Europe they're mostly extreme Catholics and royalists to start!
It doesn't say anywhere in that article that leftists are trying to censor that scene, John just mentions other actors he knows personally who suggested that he cut it out of worry that it would be viewed as offensive. Not because people on the left actually called it offensive or called for it to be censored. So according to that article, nobody tried to censor it, just suggested that Cleese cut it, and their reasoning wasn't because it's offensive, but because they were worried that it might be considered offensive. It also mentions in that article how religious groups were the ones actually trying to censor the movie in the past. Cleese didn't want to cut that scene, so he didn't. It wasn't at risk of being censored considering he'd never had any intention of cutting it and the choice was always his to make.
This discussion actually made me think, so who pushed to get the dark elf scene removed from Community? I don't know if it was the left or right, but whoever it was, is a moron.
I don't know about the reasoning behind that one specifically, but most leftists I know generally don't have an issue with that scene because the butt of the joke is the guy inadvertently looking like he's doing blackface, not black people. If I had to guess, in a lot of cases like those, it's a corporate decision made by higher ups who don't understand the nuance of the topic and just want to avoid controversy or try to shallowly virtue signal regardless of how offensive the scene actually was or whether the people they're virtue signalling to actually wanted them to do it or not.
Just some suit who works for the Mouse and has never heard of a Drow but definitely knows blackface and the controversy it causes. Ironically, probably in large part due to Walt’s prolific racism and the actual blackface scenes they’ve put out over the years.
Who's "they"?
Blazing saddles
I thought I told you to wash your hands?
Yes!
tropic thunder!
Airplane
Joey, have you ever seen a grown man naked?
"Hey, I know you! You're Kareem Abdul Jabar!"
I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
And
I am serious... and don't call me Shirley.
It's not my favourite now, but there was a time in my youth, Ace Ventura is definitely on this list!
I was more of a Dumb & Dumber guy, but ace is a classic.
"Finkle is Einhorn? EINHORN IS FINKLE!"
What's the issue with Ace Ventura? I don't recall any poorly aged jokes or anything like that but it's been a while since I've seen it.
Transphobia was a punchline in basically every 90s comedy.
Hmm. I remember a lot more gay jokes than trans jokes but I'm sure they were there too.
Oh man. Twenty guys puking because the woman is a man.... For starters
To be fair, that scene was just as much an attempt to parody the scene from "The Crying Game", as it was straight up transphobia. But regardless, it doesn't sit right today.
Whaaaat, lmao. I am honestly amazed, thanks for the link.
Both of the Ace Ventura films.
Frankly, they don't hold up well. 😭
Parody movies like scary movie or not another teen movie I really miss.
A over the top parody of the superhero genre would be great right now or a new star wars/star trek/sci-fi parody.
It makes me feel old calling these older movies but male driven sex comedies like American Pie or Superbad seem to be extinct. The closest that comes out today are gender flip versions like Booksmart. I understand the need for a fresh take and the desire to avoid certain questionable aspects of the genre but it feels like there should still be a place for dude centric raunchy comedies.
Most of the Connery bond movies.
Waterloo (1970). That many extras required the collaboration with the soviet army, as well as bulldozing a big area to film.
We can see the difference very clearly with the new Napoleon trailer, which despite the huge budget looks outright poor in battles.
Blazing Saddles.
This. While it’s not my favorite movie all time, it’s definitely my favorite one that can never be remade!!
Team America. While I’m not offended by any of it, something tells me a lot of folks would be (and it wouldn’t even be over the puppet sex).
It’s a fucking masterpiece!
Blazing Saddles
We need more movies with the soul of Blazing Saddles, though
I love that film. Definitely can't make that one these days, even if it is satire.
That movie is actually surprisingly progressive if people got their head of their ass. It's ok to make fun and laugh if the overarching message is positive. That's the best kind of comedy
This is all I need!
“When I was a kid, my mom told me THAT was my special purpose”
not a fav but, "meet the feebles"
You just blew my mind. I have seen that one more than a few times, but haven't thought about it in years.
Wobert was so adorable in that.
I like bringing this classic up whenever I come across a doe-eyed fan of the recent Hobbit movies. 🤣🤘🏼
Fitzcarraldo
Kentucky Fried Movie
Welcome to the Doll House
I was kinda surprised that it got made at the time..
Kids too
The Young Girls of Rochefort. At least one lead is dead and Catherine Deneuve is almost 80.
I'd say any of the Pauly Shore movies.
The Major and The Minor
Terminator 2 and 12 Angry Men
Oh, come on, I'm pretty sure 12 Angry Men could get made again in the right context.
Family Guy did a parody episode of it a while back.
Why could T2 not get made?
Look at all the sequels and tell me if they are even on the same level of quality as T2.
You're not wrong. T2 would be garbage today with the CGI. Having to use practical effects made it so much better.
idk, making a bad movie is always possible, just as making a good one. I interpreted the OP question as "can't get made due to cultural taboos" not business reasons.
The first one that comes to mind is Revenge of the Nerds. (minus the rape scene)
The Super with Joe pesci
"Who you calling buckwheat you fat fuck?"
Any movie where the leading actors, director, or other key people are dead (though deepfakes are removing some of this restriction).
The Monty Python films.
They recently tried to censor the Loretta scene.
This was actually a big factor for me in "leaving the 'Left'" - i.e. remembering back when it was the religious establishment trying to censor the films (and succeeding in many countries). And now it's happening all over again but by the new "woke" establishment and LGBTQIA2S+ movement.
Hate to break it to you, but if complaints about one movie scene was all it took to get you to "leave" the left, then you were never really on the left to begin with.
It's not just that though, but the general shift to identity politics - even in Britain you'll see "leftist" groups doing things like silencing "white males" etc.
And also in many cases their proposals focus too much on the symptoms and/or end up with worse consequences, which is exactly what Marx was against. Like decriminalising theft below 300 euros which is common in many places now, but just leads to organised gangs exploiting it (just like lesser / no sentencing for teenagers, etc.). Likewise for pushing for rent control which usually just results in great unfairness in who is lucky enough to get the rent controlled properties - and then pass them down in their family, so you end up with unlucky working people paying far more in rent than much wealthier lucky families and pensioners.
I still usually vote for the centre-Left just due to being anti-religion and republican (anti-monarchy). But I wish there were more sensible economic and justice options too - like supporting the working class by shifting the tax burden to property owners and the wealthy (and taxing unproductive economic activity) over income and VAT, supporting the free market except for natural monopolies, etc.
You know the focus on identy and LGBTQ+ and all that comes from the right, correct?
Do you have any more info on that? I know a couple of trans people. They found that scene hilarious. It sounds like the sort of false flag complaint that come out of the far right quite often.
Unlike the right, the left does not aim to be monolithic. There are a variety of views on many topics, and how to fix them. There are idiots across the spectrum though, and all groups need to police them, to some extent.
I'm quite surprised it made you shift to the right. The right have been doing FAR more censorship, and that is backed by the leadership, to the point is being pushed into law.
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/john-cleese-has-no-intention-of-removing-controversial-monty-python-scene/
I never said I shifted to the right, I just don't really take part in politics and usually vote for more centrist options on specific issues. I agree the right-wing are worse, here in Europe they're mostly extreme Catholics and royalists to start!
It doesn't say anywhere in that article that leftists are trying to censor that scene, John just mentions other actors he knows personally who suggested that he cut it out of worry that it would be viewed as offensive. Not because people on the left actually called it offensive or called for it to be censored. So according to that article, nobody tried to censor it, just suggested that Cleese cut it, and their reasoning wasn't because it's offensive, but because they were worried that it might be considered offensive. It also mentions in that article how religious groups were the ones actually trying to censor the movie in the past. Cleese didn't want to cut that scene, so he didn't. It wasn't at risk of being censored considering he'd never had any intention of cutting it and the choice was always his to make.
This discussion actually made me think, so who pushed to get the dark elf scene removed from Community? I don't know if it was the left or right, but whoever it was, is a moron.
I don't know about the reasoning behind that one specifically, but most leftists I know generally don't have an issue with that scene because the butt of the joke is the guy inadvertently looking like he's doing blackface, not black people. If I had to guess, in a lot of cases like those, it's a corporate decision made by higher ups who don't understand the nuance of the topic and just want to avoid controversy or try to shallowly virtue signal regardless of how offensive the scene actually was or whether the people they're virtue signalling to actually wanted them to do it or not.
Just some suit who works for the Mouse and has never heard of a Drow but definitely knows blackface and the controversy it causes. Ironically, probably in large part due to Walt’s prolific racism and the actual blackface scenes they’ve put out over the years.
Who's "they"?
Blazing saddles
I thought I told you to wash your hands?
Yes!
tropic thunder!
Airplane
Joey, have you ever seen a grown man naked?
"Hey, I know you! You're Kareem Abdul Jabar!"
I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
And
I am serious... and don't call me Shirley.
It's not my favourite now, but there was a time in my youth, Ace Ventura is definitely on this list!
I was more of a Dumb & Dumber guy, but ace is a classic.
"Finkle is Einhorn? EINHORN IS FINKLE!"
What's the issue with Ace Ventura? I don't recall any poorly aged jokes or anything like that but it's been a while since I've seen it.
Transphobia was a punchline in basically every 90s comedy.
Hmm. I remember a lot more gay jokes than trans jokes but I'm sure they were there too.
Oh man. Twenty guys puking because the woman is a man.... For starters
To be fair, that scene was just as much an attempt to parody the scene from "The Crying Game", as it was straight up transphobia. But regardless, it doesn't sit right today.
White Chicks.
White Chicks 2 is coming apparently https://www.techradar247.com/2023/05/17/white-chicks-2-release-date/
Whaaaat, lmao. I am honestly amazed, thanks for the link.
Both of the Ace Ventura films.
Frankly, they don't hold up well. 😭
Parody movies like scary movie or not another teen movie I really miss.
A over the top parody of the superhero genre would be great right now or a new star wars/star trek/sci-fi parody.
It makes me feel old calling these older movies but male driven sex comedies like American Pie or Superbad seem to be extinct. The closest that comes out today are gender flip versions like Booksmart. I understand the need for a fresh take and the desire to avoid certain questionable aspects of the genre but it feels like there should still be a place for dude centric raunchy comedies.
Most of the Connery bond movies.
Waterloo (1970). That many extras required the collaboration with the soviet army, as well as bulldozing a big area to film.
We can see the difference very clearly with the new Napoleon trailer, which despite the huge budget looks outright poor in battles.
Blazing Saddles.
This. While it’s not my favorite movie all time, it’s definitely my favorite one that can never be remade!!
Team America. While I’m not offended by any of it, something tells me a lot of folks would be (and it wouldn’t even be over the puppet sex).
It’s a fucking masterpiece!
Blazing Saddles
We need more movies with the soul of Blazing Saddles, though
I love that film. Definitely can't make that one these days, even if it is satire.
The Jerk
I was born a poor black child 🫥
That movie is actually surprisingly progressive if people got their head of their ass. It's ok to make fun and laugh if the overarching message is positive. That's the best kind of comedy
This is all I need!
“When I was a kid, my mom told me THAT was my special purpose”
not a fav but, "meet the feebles"
You just blew my mind. I have seen that one more than a few times, but haven't thought about it in years.
Wobert was so adorable in that.
I like bringing this classic up whenever I come across a doe-eyed fan of the recent Hobbit movies. 🤣🤘🏼
Fitzcarraldo
Kentucky Fried Movie
Welcome to the Doll House
I was kinda surprised that it got made at the time..
Kids too
The Young Girls of Rochefort. At least one lead is dead and Catherine Deneuve is almost 80.
I'd say any of the Pauly Shore movies.
The Major and The Minor
Terminator 2 and 12 Angry Men
Oh, come on, I'm pretty sure 12 Angry Men could get made again in the right context.
Family Guy did a parody episode of it a while back.
Why could T2 not get made?
Look at all the sequels and tell me if they are even on the same level of quality as T2.
You're not wrong. T2 would be garbage today with the CGI. Having to use practical effects made it so much better.
idk, making a bad movie is always possible, just as making a good one. I interpreted the OP question as "can't get made due to cultural taboos" not business reasons.
The first one that comes to mind is Revenge of the Nerds. (minus the rape scene)
The Super with Joe pesci
"Who you calling buckwheat you fat fuck?"
Any movie where the leading actors, director, or other key people are dead (though deepfakes are removing some of this restriction).