2 men are charged with cutting down famous 150-year-old tree near Hadrian's Wall in England

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Two men have been charged with cutting down the popular 150-year-old Sycamore Gap tree next to Hadrian’s Wall last year in northern England, prosecutors said Tuesday.

Daniel Graham, 38, and Adam Carruthers, 31, were charged with causing criminal damage and damaging the wall built in A.D. 122 by Emperor Hadrian to guard the northwest frontier of the Roman Empire.

They were ordered to appear in Newcastle Magistrates’ Court on May 15.

The sycamore’s majestic canopy between two hills made it a popular subject for landscape photographers. It became a destination after being featured in Kevin Costner’s 1991 film “Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves.”

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Tree was 150 years old.

Sentence them to the same amount of time.

Not for prison, though. For community service rebuilding historic sites.

Hear hear, who’d want to pay for all their meals as they generate nothing besides prison profits.

Prisons should not be for profit institutes.

That'd be reasonable, I guess. Probably just on weekends, but for the rest of their working lives.

Even better, give the tree a citizenship, then try them for (attempted?) murder. Battery at the minimum.

Wow, look at those upvotes. It's a tree, even if a very special one; this is pure rage jerk.

Nothing more British than zealously and dogmatically defending a 150 year old celebrity.

Why are you booing us, we're right!

Although, my own comment has nearly broken even as of writing, which really surprises me. I'm proud of you, Lemmy. On Reddit I'm sure I'd be on the downvote elevator to hell.

These dudes should be punished as the worst kind of vandals, but 150 years is what you give someone when you wish you could execute them. It's a tree. Another will grow, and it would have blown over eventually anyway; don't escalate to bloodshed or bloodshed substitutes.

Good. I'm glad to hear it. I can't imagine what excuse they're planning on giving, but it won't be a good one.

I find this just so completely impossible to understand. At least with crimes like murder or burglary, I can understand where the motivation came from, but this? What could they possibly gain by doing this, other than the thrill of destroying something beautiful, or the knowledge that they're making other people sad? How is that at all fulfilling?

I honestly feel that people who get their kicks from this sort of thing just have no place in modern society.

Some people just love being destructive. Like these assholes who were filmed a couple of weeks ago and who I don't think have been caught yet.

https://www.iflscience.com/national-park-service-seeks-help-finding-two-men-caught-vandalizing-rocks-at-lake-mead-73834

I don't understand it either, but there doesn't seem to be any more to it than 'we wanted to destroy it.'

Tldr: people are dicks and absolutely will just break shit they know other people like just because they get a little thrill at causing other people to feel bad, or they really do just like breaking things and have no regard for others, history, or significance.

A couple years back there was a big search going on when someone decided to topple a cliffside tree and it fell onto the path below and crushed someone.

Looked it up just now because I never heard any follow up, and not only is it now reported as a "log" (idk if you can call a mostly dead tree a "log" but whatever) and three teenagers were charged.

At a state park near my house, there's an insane amount of huge sandstone boulders deposited by glacial melt, and half buried. Someone knocked an eroded piece away that was kind of like a table that people had a tradition of "you walk up the super steep sideof the mountain/hill, grab a pebble on your way up, and when you get to the top you try to toss it onto the pile that's accumulated over the years"

Now there's just a slowly building pile of palm sized rocks where the sandstone table fell as people started a new tradition.

I fully believe that if the world was introduced to a newly discovered alien species that only exists in one single hole on Mars, and teleportation on the same day, someone would have stuck an explosive in the puddle by the end of the day.

Don't forget the long-lasting human tradition of making sure everyone knew you were there by carving your name into something beautiful. Literally goes back thousands of years.

I think that this is a significant motivation. We humans want to feel that that we have impacted the world around us and left a lasting mark to show that we were here and that we mattered. In modern society, that is hard to accomplish because of how many are struggling and having to dedicate all of their time to jobs instead of connecting with the community and world around them.

Naturally, this causes people to act out and do shitty things, from vandalizing unique rock formations and trees to mass shootings. I pose that much of that spectrum is rooted in the same alienation that people feel due to the pressures and situations caused by the mass polarization of wealth and lack of societal benefit from automation.

Bet it's going to be: "We were making a Tic-Tok video...."

As far as I'm concerned, it can be "we noticed the tree was destroying the wall and we cut it down before it did any more damage." It was a unilateral decision on their part and done clandestinely. There's just no good excuse they can give.

If it was teenagers, this would be what I'd expect. That would at least be an explanation (a shitty one, but teenagers have stupid brains).

Far more likely in this case that those men did it simply out of spite.

I'm not defending these guys, but holy shit. Y'all in here are fucking bloodthirsty. One of you is literally tossing out due process like all we need is an accusation.

I just recently watched Star Trek TNG S04E21 The Drumhead. A reminder how important due process is and how easy it can derail.

Damn if I don’t have to give bonus points for you wrapping it up in Star Wars to make like 85% of the fediverse pay attention and get it

I gain nothing from making people pay attention, but am just a fan of most Star Trek myself, so part of your "85%". I mean why else would I rewatch TNG again 😅 (I want to watch it in chronological order mixed with DS9 this time. (not accounting for time travel))

It's Lemmy, folks here are ready to join a violent uprising at any moment if the banner is right

folks here are ready to join a violent uprising at any moment if the banner is right

They are right up until it's their time to bleed.

Have you met Lemmy? There’s a reason it will never truly take off no matter how shitty Reddit gets; it’s the people.

Is there any more info on how the hell they found them? I thought back then they had basically no idea who the perpetrators were.

Stupid assholes doing stupid asshole shit. I'm not as bloodthirsty as most here, but I do hope they really fucking hate their punishment. I hope it bothers them far more than any fun they had being dumb assholes. That'll be enough for me.

I thought they initially arrested a 16 year old kid for this? So he was innocent?

Every 16 year old boy is guilty of something. You just haven't figure out what yet.

This is the best summary I could come up with:

LONDON (AP) — Two men have been charged with cutting down the popular 150-year-old Sycamore Gap tree next to Hadrian’s Wall last year in northern England, prosecutors said Tuesday.

Daniel Graham, 38, and Adam Carruthers, 31, were charged with causing criminal damage and damaging the wall built in A.D. 122 by Emperor Hadrian to guard the northwest frontier of the Roman Empire.

They were ordered to appear in Newcastle Magistrates’ Court on May 15.

The sycamore’s majestic canopy between two hills made it a popular subject for landscape photographers.

It became a destination after being featured in Kevin Costner’s 1991 film “Robin Hood: Prince Of Thieves.”

The nighttime felling last fall caused outrage as police tried to figure out what inspired such an act of vandalism.

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Okay so let’s skip the whole court, and trial, and prison thing. No need to go through that. Everyone who wants to gets to punch these fuckers in the head. Done.

What a dumb comment. Yes, let's just throw out the due process.

Comments on lemmy.world seem to have sunk below the Reddit standard these days.