Continuing in personally attacking Engoron, he raged, "He’s an out of control 'Nut Job,' who fined me $10,000 over a ridiculous Gag Order
Maybe instead of a fine, it'll any amount of jail time instead.
Violations of gag orders and contempt always feel infuriatingly "gradual" because usually people just STFU after the first one. Trump (as we all know) doesn't have the self control normal asshole defendants have. Give it another gag violation and this moron is gonna spend the night in jail, then we all get to see him without his daily hair routine. That shit scares him more than anything.
Once Chutkan's gag goes back into effect, he'll be in jail quickly unless Kise or Lauro actually manage to get through his thick skull with an air hammer.
E: Also getting the idea that Engoron is patient enough not to expand the gag order (yet, anyway) because he knows he's already effectively ended the Trump organization. Trump's business "empire" is basically a dead man walking already.
What about the direct grifting he's doing? Someone needs to find a way to seize those assets and end that supply of money.
I feel bad for the victims but as PT Barnum said there's a sucker born every minute. Trump is tapped into a large number of suckers.
In NY.
A short stay in jail won't break Donnie. It will energize his followers, and we'll have to hear them comparing him to Mandela and MLK for the next century.
I think the mugshots without his hair and makeup will go a long way in deflating not only his ego, but also the cult of personality built on his ego.
All his followers look in the mirror every morning. He is their ego projected. They will feel rage vicariously as if they were the ones being robbed of their dignity and dig in further.
Sounds hilarious.
More seriously, these people are lost. There is little purpose in trying to convert them, anyone hanging onto Trump now is either so incredibly ignorant we should just try to stem their paint-chip eating habit, so stupid they shouldn't be allowed to order appetizers unsupervised, or basically just fantastically bad, as in "I don't care if the world burns as long as I make a tidy sum before we collectively have to close up shop."
I've taken to publically shaming my maga family members into temporary Facebook silence. It's cathartic after a particularly frustrating work day.
They always bounce back to their old form after not-too-long, which just provides another opportunity to catharticallly wail on them.
"These people" are a fairly large percent of the country. Certainly enough to get him elected again. Wailing about them being lost, ignorant, and stupid doesn't change that fact. Ignore them at your own peril.
It's not that they're a particularly large portion of the country, it's that they have outsized power thanks to the electoral college and it's easier to disenfranchise dem voters. I'm not wailing about them, so much as stating fact. If 4 years of the chaos of Trump, cozying up to dictators, the million+ dead from COVID that didn't need to happen, the complete tanking of the economy and causing rampant inflation, an attempted coup/insurrection, many of his own staff saying he's not fit, Fox News turning against him (privately, but those texts all got released, thanks Dominion), a rape conviction, a fraud conviction, him spilling military secrets on tape, him stealing and attempting to hide classified docs, and now the likelihood that he's going to likely be jailed or under house arrest while trying to campaign for president, if all of that isn't enough to convince someone to not vote for Trump, what will?
The point of the comment was essentially don't bother with these people, the only answer is to vote dem in '24, and get as many people as you can to do the same. Things are stacked towards Republicans by nature of the system, you can ignore trying to change these people's minds because idk anything will at this point, but you can't sit it out or not vote dem this time around.
They're roughly half of all voters. You'll have to contend with that fact at some point.
That's the problem, they're not roughly half of all voters, but as previously stated have outside power. As for contending with them, the only thing to do is vote dem and start changing policies. Republicans, especially with a majority control of basically anything, are a policy failure on multiple levels.
Trump received 47% of the popular vote last election, i.e., roughly half. That has nothing to do with the electoral college, that means that roughly half of all voters voted for Trump to receive a second term, and there's polling to suggest he would receive more than that if the election was held today.
Regardless of your feelings about them, they're roughly 1 out of every 2 voters in this country. You can't just hand wave that fact away because you don't like them.
Lol, they would, too! And then, like King's and Mandela's followers, they'd peacefully march with signs saying 'Free my president, Li'l Donny! probably start shooting people in vengeance because it's clearly the end of times and Joe Biden is the anti-Christ apparent.
I thought obama was the antichrist apparent
And clinton
And the other clin - no wait she was pedo queen
I remember many years ago - while Clinton was still president - some idiot I knew said Hillary Clinton was the anti-christ and I started listing all of the people over the years they'd called the anti-christ at various times, then I asked them, 'doesn't the Bible say the anti-christ would be beloved by the masses?'
They replied with, 'well...maybe'.
I said, 'it does, and if you actually read that book you'd know that.'
These people are just children, not credible adults, walking around saying idiotic nonsense and we need to start calling them out until they shut the fuck up in shame.
He already compared himself to Mandela.
I think some wag already said they'd be fine with the comparison - throw him in prison for 27 years.
Can we get the universe where he dies in prison?
I'd be okay with calling him Mandela if he gets 27 years.
He’s going to live to 102 or something?
as his followers go, he even might compare himself to good ol' Adolf and the maga crowd will cheer...
I hope that doesn't deter people from wanting him punished, because that fact alone shows why punishment is so important. It's about something greater than the provincial minds of petty little men who only care about themselves. It's about ensuring reality does not work in their favor. It's about creating the just world.
A just world like Pala from aldous Huxleys:The island? Good read, highly recommended if you share the same mindset as me. Which, although not quite as far along the journey as me, you seem to.
And don’t you guys have like… rich people jail in the states? Where he can play golf n shit?
He also called James a racist again so I see a $25k fine coming Monday
Nah, James isn't court staff. The judge already said. Otherwise trumps peekaboo comment would have been 20k I think.
Just read in the news that Afroman calling a cop a lesbian was proceeding to trial for the emotional damage caused, yet trump can say these things without consequence?!
well cops are a protected class above judges, i’m pretty sure that’s in the bible somewhere
They need to seize any assets being given by the rubes that help offset this, AND raise the fines to the point where it actually hurts him.
Nah, for some reason this defendant gets to trash the judges all he wants, no consequences.
He's never ever going to get contempt of court.
"some reason" being the "first amendment".
You try it and see how far the 1st amendment gets you. Most defendants don't get to trash the judge with no consequences.
[citation needed]
People keep saying this but from what I can tell "gag orders" aren't common.
They’re not common but they’re also not rare. More often, defendants are not incredibly corrupt loudmouth morons, don’t have any public following, or are in jail, and it’s not needed.
You know that a gag order is a specific restriction on free speech that courts can issue, right? That's literally what they are for.
The gag order doesn't apply to Judge Engoron. Both he and Judge Chutkan in the DC case specifically exempted themselves from being covered by their respective gag orders. The logic is that the 1st Amendment protects criticism of federal judges. He can't, however, threaten federal judges, so it'll be interesting to see how far he pushes it. Unfortunately, in the past he's shown a surprising amount of restraint in skating just up to the line, but not actually crossing it.
They don't allow a judge to declare whatever they want. Trump is appealing one of his gag orders and will likely be successful in part.
Judges can't simply do whatever they want.
Gag orders on indicted felons who can't shut up are extremely common. He isn't likely to prevail on that.
They can't stop him from saying just anything, gag orders need to be narrow and serve a justice purpose.
That's why part of the gag is likely to be changed as its overly broad.
They haven't prevented him from saying anything. They prevent him from attacking witnesses and court employees which is well within scope of a gag order.
Which isn't what this thread was talking about at the start...
"Congress shall make no law...".
This is the judiciary: different branch of government.
The executive could also issue an order that restricts free speech and not violate the first amendment.
The court cannot violate the freedom of speech willy nilly. It must serve the purpose of justice being served.
I sure do hate his usage of 'quotation marks' and Capital Letters.
Well how else would "you" know what the Big Important Words were?
He's allowed to go after the judge, just not the judge's staff
It's actually illegal to threaten a federal judge whether you have a gag order or not, but yeah, this falls short of that. He needs to be very careful about "going after a judge", which isn't advice that most people need to hear, but here we are.
Hopping onto social media to bash the guy that decides the future of your entire business empire is a really bold choice
It makes his base believe all of this is a total fraud, Dump knows he's guilty and is fucked. His only recourse will be angering his base enough to attack the courts.
Maybe instead of a fine, it'll any amount of jail time instead.
Violations of gag orders and contempt always feel infuriatingly "gradual" because usually people just STFU after the first one. Trump (as we all know) doesn't have the self control normal asshole defendants have. Give it another gag violation and this moron is gonna spend the night in jail, then we all get to see him without his daily hair routine. That shit scares him more than anything.
Once Chutkan's gag goes back into effect, he'll be in jail quickly unless Kise or Lauro actually manage to get through his thick skull with an air hammer.
E: Also getting the idea that Engoron is patient enough not to expand the gag order (yet, anyway) because he knows he's already effectively ended the Trump organization. Trump's business "empire" is basically a dead man walking already.
What about the direct grifting he's doing? Someone needs to find a way to seize those assets and end that supply of money.
I feel bad for the victims but as PT Barnum said there's a sucker born every minute. Trump is tapped into a large number of suckers.
In NY.
A short stay in jail won't break Donnie. It will energize his followers, and we'll have to hear them comparing him to Mandela and MLK for the next century.
I think the mugshots without his hair and makeup will go a long way in deflating not only his ego, but also the cult of personality built on his ego.
All his followers look in the mirror every morning. He is their ego projected. They will feel rage vicariously as if they were the ones being robbed of their dignity and dig in further.
Sounds hilarious.
More seriously, these people are lost. There is little purpose in trying to convert them, anyone hanging onto Trump now is either so incredibly ignorant we should just try to stem their paint-chip eating habit, so stupid they shouldn't be allowed to order appetizers unsupervised, or basically just fantastically bad, as in "I don't care if the world burns as long as I make a tidy sum before we collectively have to close up shop."
I've taken to publically shaming my maga family members into temporary Facebook silence. It's cathartic after a particularly frustrating work day.
They always bounce back to their old form after not-too-long, which just provides another opportunity to catharticallly wail on them.
"These people" are a fairly large percent of the country. Certainly enough to get him elected again. Wailing about them being lost, ignorant, and stupid doesn't change that fact. Ignore them at your own peril.
It's not that they're a particularly large portion of the country, it's that they have outsized power thanks to the electoral college and it's easier to disenfranchise dem voters. I'm not wailing about them, so much as stating fact. If 4 years of the chaos of Trump, cozying up to dictators, the million+ dead from COVID that didn't need to happen, the complete tanking of the economy and causing rampant inflation, an attempted coup/insurrection, many of his own staff saying he's not fit, Fox News turning against him (privately, but those texts all got released, thanks Dominion), a rape conviction, a fraud conviction, him spilling military secrets on tape, him stealing and attempting to hide classified docs, and now the likelihood that he's going to likely be jailed or under house arrest while trying to campaign for president, if all of that isn't enough to convince someone to not vote for Trump, what will?
The point of the comment was essentially don't bother with these people, the only answer is to vote dem in '24, and get as many people as you can to do the same. Things are stacked towards Republicans by nature of the system, you can ignore trying to change these people's minds because idk anything will at this point, but you can't sit it out or not vote dem this time around.
They're roughly half of all voters. You'll have to contend with that fact at some point.
That's the problem, they're not roughly half of all voters, but as previously stated have outside power. As for contending with them, the only thing to do is vote dem and start changing policies. Republicans, especially with a majority control of basically anything, are a policy failure on multiple levels.
Trump received 47% of the popular vote last election, i.e., roughly half. That has nothing to do with the electoral college, that means that roughly half of all voters voted for Trump to receive a second term, and there's polling to suggest he would receive more than that if the election was held today.
Regardless of your feelings about them, they're roughly 1 out of every 2 voters in this country. You can't just hand wave that fact away because you don't like them.
Lol, they would, too! And then, like King's and Mandela's followers, they'd
peacefully march with signs saying 'Free my president, Li'l Donny!probably start shooting people in vengeance because it's clearly the end of times and Joe Biden is the anti-Christ apparent.I thought obama was the antichrist apparent
And clinton
And the other clin - no wait she was pedo queen
I remember many years ago - while Clinton was still president - some idiot I knew said Hillary Clinton was the anti-christ and I started listing all of the people over the years they'd called the anti-christ at various times, then I asked them, 'doesn't the Bible say the anti-christ would be beloved by the masses?'
They replied with, 'well...maybe'.
I said, 'it does, and if you actually read that book you'd know that.'
These people are just children, not credible adults, walking around saying idiotic nonsense and we need to start calling them out until they shut the fuck up in shame.
He already compared himself to Mandela.
I think some wag already said they'd be fine with the comparison - throw him in prison for 27 years.
Can we get the universe where he dies in prison?
I'd be okay with calling him Mandela if he gets 27 years.
He’s going to live to 102 or something?
as his followers go, he even might compare himself to good ol' Adolf and the maga crowd will cheer...
I hope that doesn't deter people from wanting him punished, because that fact alone shows why punishment is so important. It's about something greater than the provincial minds of petty little men who only care about themselves. It's about ensuring reality does not work in their favor. It's about creating the just world.
A just world like Pala from aldous Huxleys:The island? Good read, highly recommended if you share the same mindset as me. Which, although not quite as far along the journey as me, you seem to.
And don’t you guys have like… rich people jail in the states? Where he can play golf n shit?
Oh well. Still, do it.
He also called James a racist again so I see a $25k fine coming Monday
Nah, James isn't court staff. The judge already said. Otherwise trumps peekaboo comment would have been 20k I think.
Just read in the news that Afroman calling a cop a lesbian was proceeding to trial for the emotional damage caused, yet trump can say these things without consequence?!
well cops are a protected class above judges, i’m pretty sure that’s in the bible somewhere
They need to seize any assets being given by the rubes that help offset this, AND raise the fines to the point where it actually hurts him.
Nah, for some reason this defendant gets to trash the judges all he wants, no consequences.
He's never ever going to get contempt of court.
"some reason" being the "first amendment".
You try it and see how far the 1st amendment gets you. Most defendants don't get to trash the judge with no consequences.
[citation needed]
People keep saying this but from what I can tell "gag orders" aren't common.
They’re not common but they’re also not rare. More often, defendants are not incredibly corrupt loudmouth morons, don’t have any public following, or are in jail, and it’s not needed.
You know that a gag order is a specific restriction on free speech that courts can issue, right? That's literally what they are for.
The gag order doesn't apply to Judge Engoron. Both he and Judge Chutkan in the DC case specifically exempted themselves from being covered by their respective gag orders. The logic is that the 1st Amendment protects criticism of federal judges. He can't, however, threaten federal judges, so it'll be interesting to see how far he pushes it. Unfortunately, in the past he's shown a surprising amount of restraint in skating just up to the line, but not actually crossing it.
They don't allow a judge to declare whatever they want. Trump is appealing one of his gag orders and will likely be successful in part.
Judges can't simply do whatever they want.
Gag orders on indicted felons who can't shut up are extremely common. He isn't likely to prevail on that.
They can't stop him from saying just anything, gag orders need to be narrow and serve a justice purpose.
That's why part of the gag is likely to be changed as its overly broad.
They haven't prevented him from saying anything. They prevent him from attacking witnesses and court employees which is well within scope of a gag order.
Which isn't what this thread was talking about at the start...
"Congress shall make no law...".
This is the judiciary: different branch of government.
The executive could also issue an order that restricts free speech and not violate the first amendment.
The court cannot violate the freedom of speech willy nilly. It must serve the purpose of justice being served.
I sure do hate his usage of 'quotation marks' and Capital Letters.
Well how else would "you" know what the Big Important Words were?
He's allowed to go after the judge, just not the judge's staff
It's actually illegal to threaten a federal judge whether you have a gag order or not, but yeah, this falls short of that. He needs to be very careful about "going after a judge", which isn't advice that most people need to hear, but here we are.
Hopping onto social media to bash the guy that decides the future of your entire business empire is a really bold choice
It makes his base believe all of this is a total fraud, Dump knows he's guilty and is fucked. His only recourse will be angering his base enough to attack the courts.