Should phones have something that shows your profile to people in the proximity?
The whole idea is a privacy minefield, so it would have to be very carefully designed and implemented, of course making it opt-in. But still, should we even pursue this idea?
So that, for example, even if I met someone just briefly, they can still later see the contact information that I am willing to provide.
Wouldn't that make it much easier to connect with people who live close to you?
Are there any relevant projects or ideas that already exist?
I kinda can't see many women wanting to share any contact information with the random creepy stranger sitting opposite them on the train.
It should also creep man out a lot. There are a lot of weirdos out there.
Oh, definitely. It's just that in my experience, women are more likely to be immediately wary of this possible danger. Or maybe I'm biased because I'm a woman. But men definitely can (and should) be wary as well.
GRINDR used to have this feature;. Usually, it was just annoying with randos (who never read my profile and had nothing in common with me) messaging me simply because I'm in the vicinity. Occasionally, guys got creepy/stalky and randomly knocked on neighbours doors trying to find me.
I don't recommend resurrecting it.
Yes there is, it's called a business card. It's opt in, has all your relevant information, and best bit, no phones or proprietary software required.
Fuck no. If I fucking wanted to talk to those fucks I'd fucking talk to them. If I fucking wanted them to have fucking information about me, I'd fucking give it to them.
There is not enough fucking fucks to emphasis how fucking bad, how fucking stupid, and how fucking deranged this idea is.
fuck
Seriously fucking sounds fucking awful
Does using your mouth not work lol
I'm socially neurotic about bothering other people. I hate the idea of forcing myself into someone else's day by talking at them.
An app would kind of solve that, because they'd have to have their phone set to accept my advances.
Then why are you wanting to exchange information if you don't want to talk to them. Also that'd be weirder to do that, where it's a lot more socially comfortable and acceptable to just talk in person if you can. It's much better to get consent in person then through privacy settings through technology
I want to talk to them! I am afraid of ruining their day by being an unwanted intruder.
I won't get consent in person, I'll just never talk to anyone and die alone. π
How is creepily adding some stranger through an app any different lol. Like I said, having a random unknown person add you without seeing what they're like is weird and already says a lot about the person that they're probably creepy if they don't want to talk to you in person instead. That's something you kind of have to learn in life. Technology is not a replacement for that. Sorry to be blunt but you literally will die alone if you don't learn to do this.
What's creepy about it? They chose to leave their phone profile open for strangers, which means they have flagged themselves for introduction. Just a little becon that basically says "Hey! I'm here and available! This is who I am and what you can expect. Don't be afraid π "
If everyone who was open to friendly conversation with strangers had a way to signal to me that I won't ruin their day by talking to them it would really help my anxiety.
It's not a matter of learning. It's a matter of mental illness. It is a fact that some people do not want to be bothered, and I'd basically rather kill myself than bother them and there's no way to fucking know without bothering them first. I take medicine for it but it's not magic - a tool to help my mental disability would be genuinely helpful.
That's uhhh, you should definitely see a therapist. It's not a fact. You need to adapt to the world, not have the world adapt to you, sorry to say it. It is very alarming to read that lol.
There is nothing wrong with using technology to cope with living with disability.
Do you think I've never seen a therapist? You can't therapy away every mental illness, you learn to cope with it. It is a fact that some people do not want to talk to me. You can not deny this! There are people who would rather not be bothered than have me intrude into their life and try to be their friend, some of them would even hate it. Unarguable. Or do you expect me to believe that everyone on Earth wants to be my friend? π
I and my therapist agree the only nontech solution is to accept that, sometimes, you're going to annoy people by intruding on their day without invitation. That's what everyone else does because that's how you make friends. You can't always wait for someone else to make the first move, sometimes you have to take initiative or you die alone because you never reach out in the first place. I understand this is an irrational and neurotic brainworm that is ruining my life.
I'd also rather die than do that, so yeah, a technological solution is preferable.
I mean this is moving away from the point of the technology talk, but the words you're using says a lot. Words like intruding, without invitation, annoying people, deciding that people don't want to talk to you for them. It's like you view social interaction as putting an undue burden on to people. It's like you're deciding you're unlikeable for them. Thinking stuff like that affects your body language, your words, how you say things. On top of your appearance and all that too. You got to work on your internal battles first and realize you're not being a burden talking to someone. Did you think that when replying to me, or care what I think about you? Hopefully not. Channel that same energy irl. The difference is, rejection irl definitely hurts more then being called cringe thru online text
You're basically right, and all I'm saying is that a technological solution like: my phone buzzes and tells me "the person over there is open to meeting new people and isn't busy at the moment" would be rad as hell. Just a little reassurance that I'm not an intruder so I don't get caught in my own head and trip over my own neurosis.
Also, online is totally different from IRL. We're all just lines of text on a screen here; NPCs in the posting RPG. Even better, by responding you've already proven that you're open to responses.
... although I just realized we can't disable inbox replies and now I'm freaking out! π
I am like you, also wanting a signal before interacting.
I think for me, a big reason is because I'm autistic and I won't be able to perceive any 'cues' from other people, so I default to assuming they don't want to talk unless they're extremely explicit about the opposite.
But I think a lot of people also look for a signal, they're just better able to read it from body language and whatnot?
I'm actually overly sensitive to perceiving cues from other people, so I get constant false signals all the time and it stresses me the hell out! I try so very hard not to assume what other people are thinking, but I am so so so sensitive to even the slightest signs that I blow things way out of proportion.
Like, a typical person talks to a stranger and see's "oh they're busy, I'll talk to them later"
I talk to a stranger and see "oh they hate me I guess I'll go die lol"
And it doesn't matter that I know it isn't real! I'll just spend the rest of the day beating myself up for bothering them, even as I run around in circles in my own head arguing with myself that I'm being ridiculous. Ugh. Just thinking about this has me stressed lol
This sounds like it would be of particular interest to creeps and stalkers, I can't see how it would possibly be safe.
I am struggling to wrap my mind around how stupid of an idea this is
Oh god no. I always keep gps/location/mobile internet turned off unless I actually need it. I don't want to connect with people. Quite the opposite.
Have you, or are you planning to, stalk someone? Because that sounds like something a stalker would propose.
That's a great way to attract stalkers.
Nintendo had a feature like this implemented in the 3DS called StreetPass. When you passed someone else with a 3DS it would share some information (like game data) that you could later review.
The way Apple does this with Name Drop, where you have to bring your device very physically close to the other, sounds like a much better idea.
I may be alone in this, but rather than profiles, a pseudonymous 'map chat' would be really useful jn a number of ways.
Hahah that's what yik yak used to be! Unfortunately it did not go terribly well..
Nintendo StreetPass? Used to be super popular in big cities.
I like this idea provided it's 100% opt-IN and not opt-out. Nintendo's 3ds streetpass did something like this and it's very cool being able to see what other people are in your area with a 3ds. A social media focused on this would be pretty neat IMO.
I'm a little sad I missed out on Yik Yak, tbh. I think the idea of interacting with people within your proximity has power. Whether it just be casually BSing with your neighbors, or having conversations about a sports event.
I'd prefer if it were anonymous/pseudonymous with effective location fuzzing, though. But that could in theory include profiles with details you're willing to share with randos. Could have augmented reality (AR) uses as well.
As long as you control the information and have the ability to shut it off entirely, it could be useful.
Yik yak was fun, but the reason it was fun was because it was (somewhat) anonymous. The local memes, hilariously kinky posts, and general news was fun. The cyber bullying and depression posts were probably what ended up killing the app.
Pretty sure my phone already does this you just have to pay google a fraction of a penny to see it
No. This would be a mess security-wise.
Theoretically yes, but actually nothing ever happens. I have seen an app's API disclose its 6 million user profiles, with name, gender, age (minor included), hobbies, bio, and exact location. Technical people know about this security breach, but it was never fixed and no user was ever endangered
Theoretically one could ask for contact information
Practicality one is not brave enough
Even if it is opt-in, I personally would absolutely not trust it.
Who's to say there wouldn't be a glitch in an update that causes your location to leak and some wannabe serial killer doesn't come and try to kill you?
No!
You're in luck because Facebook secretly has this feature and can magically suggest you friends based on that.
There's something similar on some bicycle computers, e.g., Wahoo's Find a Friend: https://support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000387844-Find-a-Friend-feature-on-the-ELEMNT-BOLT-ROAM
Not sure the extent to which it shares information though.
Isn't that what the dating app hinge does?
It shows you the profile of people you passed by throughout the day I think.
I mean if you want to I don't see the problem with it. Might be interesting, as long as you can choose when and where your profile might be shown and what information is on your profile.
Definitely don't think it should be some mandatory thing though.
This isn't exactly what you're going for since it isn't automatic, but Apple is introducing NameDrop in iOS 17 which will allow you to share contact info by holding iPhones next to each other (similar to Bump back in the early 2010s). Of course NameDrop is closed to Apple devices which sucks (Android has Nearby Share, but it doesn't default to sharing your contact), but the idea of being able to hold phones to each other to share contact info would be ideal for me - it'd be quick so I wouldn't have to think about it and would be willing to do it for brief interactions, but also ensures my info is only shared with who I choose.
nah, i think what apple did is a great implementation if your idea. simple and safe. just tap two phones together and contact info is shared. i think android should be able to do this too. but ofc, it's "Apple-only" like airdrop
Samsung has something similar but using QR codes. You just pull up the code associated with your profile, the other person scans it, and boom, contact added. I'm not sure if it works phone types though. I assume it would.
That's not samsung specific. My xiaomi has that feature too
So kinda like Happn but without the protection of needing to match first?
The idea doesn't really entice me. I'm sure I'm passing by lots of interesting people on a daily basis that's worth connecting to, but the risk of exposing myself to the types of people I'd like to avoid outweighs that reward for me.
I think in general it would be problematic, but also I wish streetpass still existed because that made traveling fun
Something like Google's Exposure Notification API but for memes... All the controversy but none of the morbidity...
In the upcoming iOS 17, there is a feature to tap two phones together to share whichever contact information you choose to. Itβs all a manual process though, as I think it should be.
I could see a world where augmented reality glasses could show peopleβs names floating above their heads, if they opted in. It would be useful for private work meetings and small classes, not so much for walking around in public. Would need fine grained controls over sharing what, to who, when and where.
That sounds like a nightmare to be honest. Not something I would dream of using.
Dude I saw this idea in a future doco, in the 90s. People had badges that lit up when profiles had similarities. It never happened of course.
Something like this was a thing in Japan.
The one I remember seeing was a massive badge that lit up. Obviously never became a real thing, unless it turned into that.
Telegram messenger has this feature, but I don't remember any of my friends having it on.
I turned it on once. It was all alt right groups whose motives were to take over the local parks with violence, and some nudist group that appeared to be offline. I turned the feature off and went back to the friendly furry faces of normal telegram. :P
Sadly it just results in spam from pornusers that fake their location
I would be intrigued by something like this.
Tell me youβre a white middle- or upper-class male without telling meβ¦
Tell me youβre a white middle- or upper-class male without telling meβ¦also straight and clueless. lol
No.