I don't know about you all but I'm still feelin' the Bern...
I think I will always have lots of empathy and admiration for him. He was and is someone who's actions show character and who's character is genuinely rooted in trying to help the populace.
If there was a way to traverse dimensions to one where things went right for his election, I'd go there. The one we're in just...sucks.
Bernie's emails are worth subscribing to imo. He's sending out stuff railing on citizens united with the tone of "yeah yeah, crazy ol Bernie on it again. Well guess what, it's still a big fuckin problem"
Always will. He is too old to run but I believe we will not see another politician like him in our lives. Regardless of you views on his policies you cannot deny that he cares about others and is doing what he believes is best for all humans.
There are plenty of good and charismatic people. Political systems are wired to filter them out.
I think Larry Lessig is not too old. His political focus is a bit less gigantic and heroic than Bernie's, but in a bit longer term may cause enormous positive changes if applied.
He is too old to run but I believe we will not see another politician like him in our lives
I met Bernie once at a rally in 2016. I said, “Bernie, you’re awesome!”
He shot back, “No! You’re awesome! You’re all awesome!” And everyone went fucking bananas! BANANAS!!
I love that guy!
Everyone loves Bernie. I've never thought of him as the Keanu Reeves of politicians, but it now occurs to me.
Sometimes even the not-surprises still feel good.
Ozma, you've posted a variety of not super negative articles about democrats and Harris recently. Are you feeling okay? Do you have a fever?
(This is a joke)
It's Harris time baby
And then she Harrised all over Trump!
"She's Harris-ing him!"
Republicans, probably
Look if she wins she can Harris on me anytime and anywhere she wants
Have we been coconut-pilled? Will we ever recover from this? Long-coco?
I thought I read he was putting off endorsing her for certain reasons. What changed so that he changed his outward opinion? Don't say nothing--I thought he was waiting to see a more pragmatic demand for improvement or something?
Aside from having to switch his stance because Biden dropped out, higher profile politicians have to plan out when they announce their endorsements. The ones that progressive and liberal voters really care about are those of Obama and Bernie. You let the candidate build up some momentum to see how they do, and she did pretty well. They also want to make sure they can actually successfully accomplish making her the new nominee, seeing as how this was a weird situation. Then, you start doling out the endorsements at opportune times. You want to spread them out a little bit, but still leave them close enough to give the public that overall impression when they’re reading the news that the candidate is still building and gaining more momentum. As you can see, it works. Excitement about her replacing Biden is a wake they absolutely should ride as long as they can. Go too fast or too slow and you lose the boost.
I think Sanders along with others was working with Biden to make sure the policies he ran on were as progressive as he could get them to be, presumably he was holding off on whether Harris would change tack or run on those same policies.
Perhaps they spoke.
EDIT: Who knows? Maybe about a cabinet position?
Probably Obama's endorsement which finally shut down the prospects of a contested primary.
The Dems got into the mess with Biden because they wouldn't test him with an actual open primary process. Not having a contest for Harris may be pragmatic but it may dog the party in the future. If she loses then there will be recriminations. And if she wins they will have to think about what they do in 2028 - does she get a free pass again or does the party get a say? Do all those ambitious contenders step aside again?
Problems for another day. I think the dems are doing the right thing in coronating Harris now as they have been left with no choice. But they really need to think about what happens with sitting presidents and the primaries - waving Biden through was disasterous, and him dragging his feet on steeping down shut down all other options. I have very little respect left for Biden - he did the right thing but took far too long to do it, risking everything.
IDK, i think the timing was strategic and about as good as it could've been. they wasted most of the GOP resources by dragging Biden out as long as he could, and now Trump is locked in to a fight he didn't want to sign up for. but it's too late now. lol
their shock at Biden actually stepping down kinda tells me that they are not used to leaders who do what the people ask for
Right? They waited till the GOP locked in messaging AND made a VP pick AND were done with the convention.
Then they dropped the hammer, denied them the convention bounce by stealing all the media oxygen AND rendered their messaging not just obsolete but actively harmful to them (candidate is old? You’re right) AND now they are stuck with a VP that hurts them with the demo Harris is going to make major gains in.
If I didn’t know better, I’d think the democrats were actually organized and disciplined for once.
Why does Bernie look like he's about to throw hands
That's it. The mittens are off.
Because we're not the fucking Republican party that bows and scrapes at the feet of whatever douchebag has taken the reins of the party. She may be the nominee and hopefully she will become our next president. But there's no way in hell that Bernie's going to tow whatever line she decides to take as president. He's going to fight for all the things he's always fought for. Cause he's fucking Bernie Sanders.
It looks like a WWE main event poster
Who cares, americans wanna know who the Kardashians endorse.
He's not a Democrat, and he endorsed Monday.
He did not formally endorse her earlier, though he said things that came close to it
It was announced on CNN on Monday.
Looking at it, it looks like he said then he would very likely endorse her, but did not formally endorse her then
Bernie Sanders tells CNN he's sure he will endorse Harris
Maybe the upset commenter already had plans on Monday, and upon seeing what he perceived to be Bernie endorsing Kamala on CNN it pretty much dashed their hopes of getting anything else accomplished for the remainder of the day. Little did they realize Bernie was simply showing a predilection for a Kamala endorsement and not outright making the endorsement at that moment. Easy thing to confuse, and i can honestly see how that would have disrupted their schedule.
Hell, my day was shot after i got the news--i called it an early day, went down to the bar and bought all my bros a round in celebration 🍻 Kamala 2024 🇺🇲❤️🙂 thank you, Bernie ✨
Look Bernie can distance himself as much as he wants from the party and technically not be a member, but his voting record and two attempts at running for president as a democrat indicate that he is a democrat in all but name. I know I know “he couldn’t win unless he joined a party” but come on. His not being a democrat is basically a technicality.
I mean the main reason atleast senate wise he caucuses with democrats is because they are the party that is closest to his views and if he didn't caucus with anyone he would be powerless in the Senate. And sure you can say from the current place America is in he is basically a Democrat he definitely is more progressive and pushes for more progressive ideas then Democrats would ever do.
Which Democrats? All 50 of them? Yeah, they're not all progressive. But that doesn't mean that progressives aren't part of the party. Being a progressive pushing for more progressive ideas than the entirety of the caucus would support doesn't mean you're not a Democrat.
In fact I applaud the progressives who are steadily pushing the Democrats further left - it’s easy to go “I’m changing things from the inside” but it’s another matter entirely to move the needle in a way that is relatively easy to observe.
To look at the party platform in 2014/2015 and then where it is now is wild. The 2019 primaries in particular showed how further left the party has been pushed, even if it’s still conservative by most western standards for “liberal” or “progressive.” Some ideas that are baked into the platform now were unthinkable back then.
He's been asked to join the party, but refused to do so only until he decided to run for President. When he failed he reverted back to Independant. That's the fact. BTW, Patrick Leahy, another independent Senator from Vermont, was asked to join the Democratic Party at the same time as Bernie. He did so and retired from the Senate after many years. Leahy remained a Democrat although he never ran for President.
You are a sycophant for the broken 2 party system. He votes in line with democrats because it is the lesser of two EVILS. He still voices his opinions that are much farther left than the democrats. If you think he is a Democrat you haven't actually been paying attention. Maybe the democrats are taking ownership of him and his followers? That would be pretty cool because it might actually pull one of the parties and the country toward sanity, which was his entire life's goal.
you are a sycophant for the broken 2 party system
Wow that is a hell of a leap from what I said. I’d like you to point out a single line where I showed any support for the two party system.
There are also plenty of progressives in the Democratic party. It isn’t a rock solid checklist that you either fully fill out or you aren’t one. See: AOC and others.
I have only joined the democrats to stop the lesser
of two evils. My critiques of them and reasons to be independent are exhaustive. But let’s call a spade a spade here. Bernie has been a Democrat for almost 10 years now. And that’s largely due to his very successful efforts to push the party further left, which is a great thing he did.
He's what I wish more Democrats were.
Evidently he is doesn't.
My favorite sentence ever
Sentences are not your strong suit, but I appreciate your tenacity. Keep it up and some day you'll make sense ❤️
I don't know about you all but I'm still feelin' the Bern...
I think I will always have lots of empathy and admiration for him. He was and is someone who's actions show character and who's character is genuinely rooted in trying to help the populace.
If there was a way to traverse dimensions to one where things went right for his election, I'd go there. The one we're in just...sucks.
Bernie's emails are worth subscribing to imo. He's sending out stuff railing on citizens united with the tone of "yeah yeah, crazy ol Bernie on it again. Well guess what, it's still a big fuckin problem"
Always will. He is too old to run but I believe we will not see another politician like him in our lives. Regardless of you views on his policies you cannot deny that he cares about others and is doing what he believes is best for all humans.
There are plenty of good and charismatic people. Political systems are wired to filter them out.
I think Larry Lessig is not too old. His political focus is a bit less gigantic and heroic than Bernie's, but in a bit longer term may cause enormous positive changes if applied.
I hope not. We need more like him.
We must continue his legacy... https://youtu.be/ZlZaVtCT5HI
Bern, Switzerlandwait, wrong oneI met Bernie once at a rally in 2016. I said, “Bernie, you’re awesome!”
He shot back, “No! You’re awesome! You’re all awesome!” And everyone went fucking bananas! BANANAS!!
I love that guy!
Everyone loves Bernie. I've never thought of him as the Keanu Reeves of politicians, but it now occurs to me.
Sometimes even the not-surprises still feel good.
Ozma, you've posted a variety of not super negative articles about democrats and Harris recently. Are you feeling okay? Do you have a fever?
(This is a joke)
It's Harris time baby
And then she Harrised all over Trump!
"She's Harris-ing him!"
Republicans, probably
Look if she wins she can Harris on me anytime and anywhere she wants
Have we been coconut-pilled? Will we ever recover from this? Long-coco?
I thought I read he was putting off endorsing her for certain reasons. What changed so that he changed his outward opinion? Don't say nothing--I thought he was waiting to see a more pragmatic demand for improvement or something?
Aside from having to switch his stance because Biden dropped out, higher profile politicians have to plan out when they announce their endorsements. The ones that progressive and liberal voters really care about are those of Obama and Bernie. You let the candidate build up some momentum to see how they do, and she did pretty well. They also want to make sure they can actually successfully accomplish making her the new nominee, seeing as how this was a weird situation. Then, you start doling out the endorsements at opportune times. You want to spread them out a little bit, but still leave them close enough to give the public that overall impression when they’re reading the news that the candidate is still building and gaining more momentum. As you can see, it works. Excitement about her replacing Biden is a wake they absolutely should ride as long as they can. Go too fast or too slow and you lose the boost.
I think Sanders along with others was working with Biden to make sure the policies he ran on were as progressive as he could get them to be, presumably he was holding off on whether Harris would change tack or run on those same policies.
Perhaps they spoke.
EDIT: Who knows? Maybe about a cabinet position?
Probably Obama's endorsement which finally shut down the prospects of a contested primary.
The Dems got into the mess with Biden because they wouldn't test him with an actual open primary process. Not having a contest for Harris may be pragmatic but it may dog the party in the future. If she loses then there will be recriminations. And if she wins they will have to think about what they do in 2028 - does she get a free pass again or does the party get a say? Do all those ambitious contenders step aside again?
Problems for another day. I think the dems are doing the right thing in coronating Harris now as they have been left with no choice. But they really need to think about what happens with sitting presidents and the primaries - waving Biden through was disasterous, and him dragging his feet on steeping down shut down all other options. I have very little respect left for Biden - he did the right thing but took far too long to do it, risking everything.
IDK, i think the timing was strategic and about as good as it could've been. they wasted most of the GOP resources by dragging Biden out as long as he could, and now Trump is locked in to a fight he didn't want to sign up for. but it's too late now. lol
their shock at Biden actually stepping down kinda tells me that they are not used to leaders who do what the people ask for
Right? They waited till the GOP locked in messaging AND made a VP pick AND were done with the convention.
Then they dropped the hammer, denied them the convention bounce by stealing all the media oxygen AND rendered their messaging not just obsolete but actively harmful to them (candidate is old? You’re right) AND now they are stuck with a VP that hurts them with the demo Harris is going to make major gains in.
If I didn’t know better, I’d think the democrats were actually organized and disciplined for once.
Why does Bernie look like he's about to throw hands
That's it. The mittens are off.
Because we're not the fucking Republican party that bows and scrapes at the feet of whatever douchebag has taken the reins of the party. She may be the nominee and hopefully she will become our next president. But there's no way in hell that Bernie's going to tow whatever line she decides to take as president. He's going to fight for all the things he's always fought for. Cause he's fucking Bernie Sanders.
It looks like a WWE main event poster
Who cares, americans wanna know who the Kardashians endorse.
He's not a Democrat, and he endorsed Monday.
He did not formally endorse her earlier, though he said things that came close to it
It was announced on CNN on Monday.
Looking at it, it looks like he said then he would very likely endorse her, but did not formally endorse her then
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/joe-biden-election-drop-out-07-22-24#h_33ac2193ddd19fe47be1aef0976c69f7
That guy would be very upset if he could read.
Maybe the upset commenter already had plans on Monday, and upon seeing what he perceived to be Bernie endorsing Kamala on CNN it pretty much dashed their hopes of getting anything else accomplished for the remainder of the day. Little did they realize Bernie was simply showing a predilection for a Kamala endorsement and not outright making the endorsement at that moment. Easy thing to confuse, and i can honestly see how that would have disrupted their schedule.
Hell, my day was shot after i got the news--i called it an early day, went down to the bar and bought all my bros a round in celebration 🍻 Kamala 2024 🇺🇲❤️🙂 thank you, Bernie ✨
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4795884-sanders-wants-more-commitments-harris/amp/
Source?
K
Did you read the article?
“Sen. Bernie Sanders endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris at a rally in Portland, Maine, on Saturday.”
Also: here is Sanders yesterday, Friday, talking about why he had not endorsed her yet.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4795884-sanders-wants-more-commitments-harris/amp/
Look Bernie can distance himself as much as he wants from the party and technically not be a member, but his voting record and two attempts at running for president as a democrat indicate that he is a democrat in all but name. I know I know “he couldn’t win unless he joined a party” but come on. His not being a democrat is basically a technicality.
I mean the main reason atleast senate wise he caucuses with democrats is because they are the party that is closest to his views and if he didn't caucus with anyone he would be powerless in the Senate. And sure you can say from the current place America is in he is basically a Democrat he definitely is more progressive and pushes for more progressive ideas then Democrats would ever do.
Which Democrats? All 50 of them? Yeah, they're not all progressive. But that doesn't mean that progressives aren't part of the party. Being a progressive pushing for more progressive ideas than the entirety of the caucus would support doesn't mean you're not a Democrat.
In fact I applaud the progressives who are steadily pushing the Democrats further left - it’s easy to go “I’m changing things from the inside” but it’s another matter entirely to move the needle in a way that is relatively easy to observe.
To look at the party platform in 2014/2015 and then where it is now is wild. The 2019 primaries in particular showed how further left the party has been pushed, even if it’s still conservative by most western standards for “liberal” or “progressive.” Some ideas that are baked into the platform now were unthinkable back then.
He's been asked to join the party, but refused to do so only until he decided to run for President. When he failed he reverted back to Independant. That's the fact. BTW, Patrick Leahy, another independent Senator from Vermont, was asked to join the Democratic Party at the same time as Bernie. He did so and retired from the Senate after many years. Leahy remained a Democrat although he never ran for President.
You are a sycophant for the broken 2 party system. He votes in line with democrats because it is the lesser of two EVILS. He still voices his opinions that are much farther left than the democrats. If you think he is a Democrat you haven't actually been paying attention. Maybe the democrats are taking ownership of him and his followers? That would be pretty cool because it might actually pull one of the parties and the country toward sanity, which was his entire life's goal.
Wow that is a hell of a leap from what I said. I’d like you to point out a single line where I showed any support for the two party system.
There are also plenty of progressives in the Democratic party. It isn’t a rock solid checklist that you either fully fill out or you aren’t one. See: AOC and others.
I have only joined the democrats to stop the lesser of two evils. My critiques of them and reasons to be independent are exhaustive. But let’s call a spade a spade here. Bernie has been a Democrat for almost 10 years now. And that’s largely due to his very successful efforts to push the party further left, which is a great thing he did.
He's what I wish more Democrats were.
Evidently he is doesn't.
My favorite sentence ever
Sentences are not your strong suit, but I appreciate your tenacity. Keep it up and some day you'll make sense ❤️
Climbing all over a typo. Sad.
SAD!