Which GPU to choose for Linux gaming?

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so my old GPU died a few days ago and I was thinking which brand of GPU to get next. AMD or Nvidia? I've heard Nvidia drivers are very annoying with Linux but I've never had an AMD GPU before. Which would be better? I'll sometimee switch to Windows to play specific games as well.

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AMD all the way. Few weeks ago I finally made a switch from Nvida for the first time. I have no problems in gaming. All games that I play run same as on windows.

a question i have: I use pop!_OS and I installed it using the Nvidia ISO, will there be a problem if I switch to an AMD GPU?

I don't think there will be any issues. On that note, use open source AMD drivers. You dont need proprietary one from their site.

No. That ISO just installs the drivers by default. You can just uninstall them. Or leave them. They won’t break anything, although they will slow down your updates because they are huge.

I've decided to buy AMD but which one do I buy? I found a few used RX 6600 and RX 5700. Some of them have XT after them, and I don't know what that means.

That all depends on what games you play. Do you want to play new AAA games or retro? Indie? What is your budget? XT is stronger version of regular 6600.

I guess spider-man miles morales would be the newest game I would play. I usually play older games.

For spider man recommended gpu is RX 580. I would suggest you, of course if you can afford, to go for RX 7700 xt or 7800 xt. You will be more future proof.

isn't the RX 580 significantly worse than RX 6600?

I'll probably go for 6600, I found one for very cheap

Just chipping in to say I have a 3060 and I’m scared of every update breaking my drivers again - just don’t get a Nvidia, don’t do it to yourself

I have a 3080 ti and haven't had any issues yet, worst that happens is I would just load the previous driver from the cache in recovery mode. That said, I want to get back to amd, I just don't have the money for it

I'm not. Nvidia dkms hasn't failed me yet. I'm using Garuda Linux.

Short answer: AMD

Long answer: AMD used to be very bad, NVIDIA has always been the same, i.e. if you're willing to use proprietary drivers it works, but it has some hiccups. A while back AMD open source their drivers so the game turned around, nowadays they're very easy and compatible from what I've heard. I've used NVIDIA for over a decade, but my next card Winn be AMD for sure.

PS: if you're still in doubt, the latest Linux kernel purposefully broke the NVIDIA proprietary driver because NVIDIA has been copyright infringing the Linux kernel by using functions that are considered so integral to the kernel that if you have to use them you work should be considered derivative and be bounded by GPL licence.

A while back AMD open source their drivers

No, they abandoned their proprietary driver and joined development of existing mesa driver. Basically as if Nvidia joined nouveau.

if you're willing to use proprietary drivers it works, but it has some hiccups.

Pre-Pascal GPUs aren't supported by closed source driver, so your only option there is nouveau.

He's asking to buy a new one, so old cards not working is not really an issue. But are you sure about the Turing line (i.e. 20 series)? I thought the Maxwell (i.e. 7 series) was the oldest you can use on the proprietary drivers. In fact up until recently I had a 1080 that I used with the proprietary drivers.

Oops. Pre-Pascal? The one after Maxwell.

Also Maxwell AFAIK only 750, 700-780 except 750 are Kepler.

if you’re willing to use proprietary drivers it works, but it has some hiccups

Do you know if nvidia still has issues with Wayland or are nvidia and MAD on par nowadays in that area?

The only way nVidia works well with Wayland is with nouveau

Their proprietary drivers still don’t work. They announced plans to make them work better, but they haven’t put in the work to merge them yet

Sounds like currently AMD is a safer bet if one was in the market for a new card.

Thanks for your answer.

Last I tried it didn't worked, however last I told Reddit/Lemmy that NVIDIA didn't worked on Wayland I was downvoted to hell and told it obviously worked and had worked for a long time. So in theory it works, but I was never able to get it to work and I have given up trying until I get an AMD card.

To add to the AMD part, RDNA3 drivers were actually quite bad at launch, I think they were mostly fixed only by April-May 2023. Now they work great. Also, if you're interested in AI, stick with Nvidia. You can run most stuff on AMD cards, but it's always an issue (The main one I'm having is that a lot of stuff depends on torch 2.0, while there's only 2.1 for ROCm 5.5+)

Definitely AMD. The drivers are actually open source, much better with less bugs and there are no problems known to me. I currently have had a GTX 1070 for the last 5 years, until I've enough money for an AMD card. My setups, especially Wayland based, are riddled with bugs not present on my (Intel based) laptop - which means the only explanation is the NVidia card. The (admittedly: testing on Arch) drivers have broken two times in a year, not making the system unusable but definitely preventing gaming.
On top of that, the 4090 may be 25% better than the 7900 XTX - but it's also 50+% more expensive than the 7900 XTX, which is a pattern which can be seen for every generation and version of GPUs by Nvidia/AMD. Nvidia's equivalents to AMD's cards are generally 25-50% more expensive, with worse performance but better Raytracing and of course DLSS support - oh wait, DLSS 1 and 2 are only for RTX 20 and up, while DLSS 4 is only for 40 Series GPUs. Which means no matter how good it looks, FSR will be the only alternative for almost all players, even those using NVidia cards like me.

Something different: Intel's Arc GPUs would maybe be worth a shot. According to a PC World article, the A770 beats the 3060 even in it's own habitat - Raytracing. It's cheap and gets better with every driver update. It also seems like the Arc GPUs are compatible with Linux fine, though I'd suggest you look up the compatibility with the games you want to play.

I have a 1070 Ti, but I'm on Ubuntu and I haven't had any issues at all for ~5 years. IMO the issue then is Arch, and how the drivers are handled. I also have only updated the driver once (450-server to 525-server), when Satisfactory switched to unreal engine 5.

I would still recommend AMD though, and I also plan on switching when I have the money for it.

I have a 1060 on Arch and had no problems whatsoever. It will get ugly once the 1060 is no longer supported by the mainline driver, though.

Yup. It's getting to be fairly old GPU, I'm feeling anxious about getting a new one because I'm poor af but... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

AMD, easily. Its literally plug and play. You can even pick some second hand options for cheap that are still solid for gaming such as the vega 56/64 and the RX 5700XT (which is I use). Intel isn't bad so long as you're not playing the newest stuff, my Arc a750 is solid in games like Fallout 4 and Elden Ring. Starfield is complete mess on it. Another thing with Intel is you'll need a distro with a 6+ kernel to get the most out of it.

AMD is better on Linux most of the time. Running a AMD card day one is not hassle free.

That being said if you pick a up to date distro all 7000 and 6000 series should work fine now. They are already in the kernel and mesa for a while. You may want to update you kernel and mesa sometimes to get better performance and stability.

But in my experience nvidia is fine on Linux. (I only used older cards gtx 970 and a rtx 2060) especially when you have just one monitor or all monitors on the same refresh rate. It's not on par with windows but will work with the Nvidia drivers.

So I would say if you a simple setup Nvidia is fine and AMD is better. It all depends on the best deal you can get. If ray tracing is not that important AMD is new the best value. If you more on a budget second AMD Rx 5700 XT are pretty cheap here and there are some good deals on Nvidia 30 series cards.

As far I have read intel cards can be a pain on Linux. So I would not recommend it for now.

"Better" is relative to your own use case. If you're a casual user, who maybe play some games on Linux, and don't really care about getting those games to work with Nvidia's version of ray tracing upscaling stuff, getting an AMD card is no brainer because it's cheaper and works out of the box too, and many games are starting to support ray tracing and upscaling on AMD card as well.

But, if you absolutely need to have access to CUDA, RTX and DLSS, then you'll have to get an Nvidia card and deal with consequences of using their drivers (buggy on Wayland, etc).

This sums up my feelings on Nvidia.

If I were buying a card right now I'd get either the 6700XT or the 6800XT because they're both at crazy good value for the money right now, especially if you can get one used or refurbished from a reputable seller with a return policy.

I have never had issues with AMD for my graphics cards, been running team red with Linux for almost a decade now. Even switching distros no issues. But, I don’t buy new hardware, I always grab last gen, so bugs are usually worked out by the time I get my hands on it.

I'm mostly a newbie to Linux, I've been using it as a main gaming rig for several months and only Nobara. I hear often that AMD is hassle free, but I'm using Nvidia and honestly I've had no roadblocks. I started with a 2080ti and have since moved to a 4080, no hassles. There is a built in updater and it automatically downloads the newest driver packages. They are always a version or so behind the latest Windows set but meh. Switching on gSync was as simple as toggling VRR for my 144hz monitor.

The one thing that I needed to look up was getting ray tracing running. There was additional stuff I needed to add in Steam (copy paste from the post I found), and then RTX was up and running.

Like I say, I definitely don't know better than the people saying AMD is a smart choice, but I don't think people necessarily need to worry that their Nvidia system is a roadblock to switching to Linux.

I assume you're not using Wayland at the moment?

I am, yes. Are you referring to the disappearing mouse cursor thing, because that's really annoying, but I hadn't seen any mention of it being linked to Nvidia. It seemed more Proton related. I tried several fixes I found and none worked. There was a few suggestions to switch to XOrg (?) But when I tried that I was locked at 60fps and couldn't use VRR.

Anyways, I'd say that's been my most frustrating issue.

Thanks for this. I just shot a 3060ti since the 6700xt was similar in all things but ray tracing and dlss (I tried to go team red but I ultimately couldn’t). The comments made me very anxious that it wouldn’t work on linux.

I had a gtx1060 when I started using linux, then upgraded to 2060 then again to 2080, they all worked fine without any major problem (except that file system checking at boot sometimes and wayland). Last year I upgraded to RX6800 and man everything just works, no more filesystem checks at boot, Wayland is mu way to go now.

If I have a nvidia card now I would just use, but if I'm buying a new/used gpu it will definitely be AMD.

The file system check at boot thing is a symptom of NVIDIA? I was wondering about that, but kept forgetting to look into it. Thanks for saving me time :D

STOP recommending Intel Arc for Linux, people. Do any of you saying that even own one?

For gaming and desktop use, I've had a flawless experience using AMD cards and a decent time with NVIDIA. The only reason I'm with NVIDIA now is for the AI capabilities (don't bother trying to run stuff using AMD's ROCm - it's near impossible to install).

PyTorch actually works pretty well on Arch with opencl-amd and opencl-amd-dev (the official packages didn't work for me). I'm extremely happy with my new Radeon.

There is also Intel Arc now, which does offer some relatively good value for money.

Otherwise, yeah AMD is more hassle free on Linux. Any model works, so just look at your budget.

I bought a Rx 5700xt for 190€ in Germany this was 4 month's ago

Not Nvidia, they do not play well with Linux. I've had all sorts of weird problems that I've traced back to driver errors caused by Nvidia, both proprietary and open source.

I'm on a 2060 super with Manjaro and I haven't had any issue with drivers other than when I accidently uninstalled all the drivers at once, and then it was just a matter of running a command found from googling to get it back up and running.

I haven't tried an AMD card, and I'm strongly considering it for my next, but I just haven't seen you have a issues people report.

Literally Intel or AMD. You may pick Intel dGPU as well.

Intel dGPU

That's not the best idea. Performances are not even close of what they are on Windows
Also there's an idle power draw issue which can sometimes be fixed on windows but not on linux

That's not the best idea. Performances are not even close of what they are on Windows

Personal experience or rumors? First link I found says it's slightly(4%) better than on windows.

Also there's an idle power draw issue which can sometimes be fixed on windows but not on linux

Can you share how to fix it? What to write in which registers?

Upd: just set scaling governor to powersave, lol

Your link is for an iGPU

Here for Intel Arc

From January but it hasn't improved all that much

The fix for power consumption is changing a setting for ASPM in motherboard (if it supports it) and pluging the monitor in the motherboard directly. It worked for me on windows but not on linux (no workaround AFAIK) This means 40W idling instead of 1W

You need CONFIG_PCIEASPM in kernel for ASPM support

I just built my first every dedicated Linux machine. With gaming and 3d design for printing as focus. I chose RX 6700 XT and it's been plug and play. Of course I've only been playing Starfield so far on it. I did have a bug with Steam but got that sorted.

What do you use your PC for? Just games? Or AI as well?

If it's just games, I'd go AMD. More VRAM = more better and AMD has more VRAM for the same price.

If you want to do AI on your PC as well, I'd go Nvidia. The software support from AMD is just not there yet.

I had no issues with Nvidia on pop os and Ubuntu, and rarely any issues on arch. That's the bleeding of "bleeding edge" for ya, lol. But it's a single command to roll back to a previous version of the driver, so no big deal anyway.

I use PyTorch daily at work and I'm happy to have gone AMD. Initial support for last gen was lacking but it's there now. It mostly works , the performance is great but it crashes on some unusual tasks.

Yes, it is worth differentiating between writing AI yourself and trying to get some giant open source project to work where you have no idea why it fails.

Your comment is appreciated, because everyone has to decide for themselves if "it crashes on some unusual tasks." is worth the performance or VRAM increase you can get with AMD.

Quick update to let you know that it works on all my tasks with ROCm 5.7

I just swapped from NVidia to AMD, since Proton was not working under NVidia for Starfield at launch (and I’ve generally been unhappy using NVidia for a while).

I can finally also use things like Wayland where NVidia just doesn’t support it well enough to be a good option (e.g., weird issues with full disk encryption unlock screen, no night light support)

I know CUDA and productivity apps might push you in the other direction, but if your main priority is gaming, I suspect AMD will be nicer. My first impressions is that it plays way better with Linux and reduces headaches that shouldn’t exist but you’ll deal with under Nvidia.

I can't play starfield right now because of issues with the Nvidia 535 driver causing the game to crash on starting a new game.
Downgrading to the older 525 driver lets the game play but with severe performance issues and a level of input lag and freezing that is toxic. My playtime says 4.5 hours but 4 hours of that was restarting the game with different drivers and toggling off different settings in the game for the absolute lowest performance. I'll just have to wait a month or so until the bugs are worked on and new driver versions are released.

Summary: If you are ok with playing games a month or two after release with a potential for some driver issues, Nvidia will probably be fine. I can play every older game in my steam library using Proton (which is built in to steam, you just need to turn it on in the game properties).
Otherwise it is a risk and you will always run into issues with Nvidia's proprietary drivers and new games.

I'll be getting AMD processor and GPU for my next desktop gaming computer.

Definitely AMD, they give people enough data to build open source drivers and you will simply have better support and integration with those. It's not like Nvidia drivers are awful or anything but they just cause annoyances and especially with new technologies like Wayland (Display server protocol that most of Linux is about to adopt) they can be a pain. AMD GPUs work great on Linux, have far better pricing rn and they have no issues with Windows ether, even if you used Windows more I would recommend AMD rn for the pricing alone!

No idea about AMD but I have nvidia 3070 and works just fine. I use gnome for gaming and kde works well too. No settings changed, simple archinstall script with nvidia proprietary drivers and steam.

I'm not sure why but xfce multi screen gaming is problematic, haven't dived into it.

Not saying don't get AMD but nvidia has horrible reputation which is kinda unfair nowadays. Their driver has improved a lot.

That's because you are on XFCE and they haven't adopted Wayland yet, NVidia drivers sadly really struggle with that but it's slowly getting better!

I'm sorry for late reply didn't get the notification. Does Xorg struggle with multi monitor gaming? I use awesomewm on top of xfce and don't want to abandon it. If that's the case it sucks. Any ideas?

I have an NVIDIA 1060 and it is such a pain in the ass to deal with. The number of random problems I've had with it has put me off from ever buying a computer with NVIDIA hardware ever again. Save yourself the constant walking on eggshells and get AMD.

I have used an GTX 3070 with no issues for the past 3.5 years, before that I used an AMD Vega 64 with no issues. I think if I were buying a new card and could stomach the prices I'd lean towards a Radeon 7900 XTX.

I have a 2070 super that I use for gaming and tensor stuff. So far no problems with Arch, X11, and i3. I don't really have brand loyalty though, when I last bought a graphics card I just considered what was going to be best for my price point.

AMD is marginally easier but Nvidia is a lot better than people make out. The drivers install with one command in most distros.

I'm using Intel Xe embedded graphics and they are suprisingly good. This is probably the first embedded intel chip that can run games. It's basically on par with low-end Nvidia and AMD cards.

I’ll sometimee switch to Windows to play specific games as well.

That is probably the best answer. Linux is a serious POSIX compliant UNIX like operating system. Gaming on Linux is pretty much an afterthought, with game studios not producing native Linux ports. Last I saw was Starsiege Tribes II, which while they made a native port, they let it languish and die. Most of the games out there will require Proton (A version of Wine) or similar. While that trick can get many games to play on Linux, usually it is not supported by the game studio that made the game, which is less than fun when games games end up having issues. Worse, games running ainti-cheat can mistake that fake windows environment as a hacked system designed to try and cheat the game, which can get you irreversibly banned from such a game. Not worth the risk. Finally, when issues with this compatibility wedge come up, and they will sooner or later, often gamers, such as yourself, take to blaming Linux, instead of the gaming studios or the compatibility wedge, making Linux look bad to others and hinders Linux desktop adoption rates. Do everyone yourself and Linux a favor and just run the games where they were made to be played, Windows... unless it's a native Linux port or even better, was written for Linux from the start.

I haven't had an issue with gaming on Linux in ages. Since the Steam Deck came out checking the compatibility of a game is an afterthought I do not need to worry about.