Not the first time people "bought" digital media only to have it taken away.
Physical media or local downloads is the way to go.
Apple did it to apps I bought years ago, Microsoft has done it with Live Arcade games I can no longer redownload, and Nintendo closed their online stores to consoles they stopped supporting. The only store I can think of at the moment which doesn't seem to fuck people is Steam (perhaps Epic but it's too new to cast opinions on).
Epic fucks people in other ways.
The only store I can think of at the moment which doesn't seem to fuck people is Steam
"To be fair, with the servers shutdown, the game would have been impossible to play anyways. This isn’t simply because it’s an online-only game. In fact, Order of War: Challenge has 18 single-player missions as well. But due to always-online DRM, even the single-player portion of the game requires the servers to be up and running."
I guess it's the Always-On DRM that's the issue. Best get rid of that entirely, or force developers to disclose IN LARGE PRINT if a game has it, like they did with parental warning stickers in the late 1980's. And I mean FORCE, as in "you can't be on Steam/whatever because you have unnecessary DRM"
I can still play World Of Goo any time I damn well choose because I paid for it and I own it and the developers were probably not inherently evil humans.
I can still play World Of Goo [...] and the developers were probably not inherently evil humans.
Well, both creators of WoG are former EA employees, so...
"Update: It appears that contrary to what I first believed, the single-player portion of the game---Order of War without the "Challenge"---is still available on Steam, and only the multi-player content has been removed."
No DRM is the way to go, physical or digital. Some physical DRM can revoke the licence on the disk (like Blu-ray)
And don't forget shit like Flexplay. The no-return rental DVD that self-destructs after ~48 hours. How ecological. Thankfully it was discontinued in 2011.
Not to be confused with Flexi Disc, which was essentially a CD-sized vinyl record with a sample track, that used to be inserted into magazines. Especially big in russia.
The sound quality left a lot to be desired. He's a very rare Slowdive track with a banging tempo that was only released on Flexi Disc.
Warning: You left tracker in the YouTube link: https://youtu.be/TyePtIPTfB4?si=GgCtvVl-npQWAAGM
How? It would need an internet connection to revoke it, and you can't write to the Blu-ray disc can you? In other words, you could just turn off internet connection from the player?
Blu-Ray discs can carry offline updates that blacklist other discs. All players must support these updates as part of licensing the technology. All your blu-rays may play today, but if an update comes along to revoke the license on a title and you play a disc that carries the update that enables that revocation, it won’t play back on your device. It’s occasionally been used to disable known pirated discs, and so far hasn’t been used on licensed materials, but “so far” is never much assurance.
Welcome to data hoarding
when 4TBs are 50-100€, you bet your ass i'm gonna host a jellyfin server for the entire family.
Damn right you are
*coughs in pirate*
I had to change my email/account with google and couldn't port the apps in the gplay store. This was mostly due to having a google domains that did many years ago, but still didn't get any solution when I explained that to the google customer service. It was clear to me that is not worth wasting a penny there.
Physical media or local downloads is the way to go.
PS5 games are like 90 GB. A DVD ROM stores 4.7 GB.
Sony should invent a way for people to buy a movie, own it, and be able to store it on a shelf or something. Maybe we can even lend them to friends or start a library.
What do you mean "lend"? They won't buy it themselves?? Corporate blasphemy!
And to think the joke back in 2013 was that it was Microsoft who so fervently defended the right to "not allow people to sell, lend or share their games", while Sony was just "With our console, you can"
Something round and flat and blue. If only that technology existed 😩
You could even like, use a really high frequency of laser rays so that you can pack as much data on that blue disc! Maybe we could trademark this. I'll call it High Definition DVD.
I wasn’t expecting that HD DVD throwback. Cracked me up!
Wasn't it SME that constantly came up with the dumbest fucking DRM garbage on their CDs that made you unable to play them in regular media players?
Sometimes they also came up with literal malware as DRM.
Ok, but why would I want to store digital media on a shelf? IMHO not having physical media cluttering up my physical space is a big advantage of online purchases. That, and being able to acquire new stuff at any time, day or night, without even leaving home.
Well, I'd also take the option of just downloading it and keeping it on my hard drive.
So they're promoting piracy, because that's how you promote piracy.
This is the unfortunate reality of current intellectual property. Anytime you don't have a copy of something directly in your possession, either as a physical object like a BluRay, or digital file(s) on digital storage only you control, you don't really own it. You're just borrowing it, or more strictly speaking, you're purchasing the right to access it until the agreement between the creator company (i.e., WarnerDiscovery) and the hosting company (i.e., Sony) expires.
When issues like this come up, there are right ways and wrong ways to handle it. This is an example of a wrong way. Google's handling of the Stadia shutdown was an example of the right way. Any game you purchased on Stadia was refunded to the original payment method, not store credit, at the price you paid giving you the ability to reacquire the game on another platform and/or in another medium. They even refunded in-game purchases of things like premium currency (e.g. silver in Destiny 2, or crowns in Elder Scrolls Online) which was a great bonus because you got that whether you had spent the in-game currency or not so it was essentially free.
Personally, I'd like protection like what Google offered to be legally mandated for the purchase of streaming content. Sony has little choice in the matter if WarnerDiscovery won't renew the streaming license. Legally, they must revoke access to the content, but currently they can choose to not compensate users who lose access to the content through these legal machinations and that's what I have a problem with.
This is as good of a time as any to tell you guys that future Oscar winning movie, Barbie, is now also available on Blu-Ray and DVD, physical copies that you'll always have if you want to watch it again.
Blu-Ray discs can carry mandatory software updates that change the functionality of playback devices, add “protections” against “piracy”, and could potentially revoke licenses of content on other discs.
Media companies are prepared to screw you over regardless of wether or not you but content from them. I do believe in paying for content, but I don’t trust any modern distribution to last, so I have a couple backups of all the media I’ve ever purchased. And for formats that make it difficult to back up, I sail the seven seas.
Blue ray only lasts 25-40 years on average. Just pirate it xD.
Hard disk drives will last even less. The lubrication will dry up and the disk will seize way before the 25 year mark.
Bluray is a fine back up media, I use them for stuff on my NAS that I cannot lose like precious pictures of family and friends. Not all of us live on am abandoned salt mine with perfect temperature and humidity for long term tape storage.
Hard disk drives will last even less. The lubrication will dry up and the disk will seize way before the 25 year mark.
That's what you have redundancies and backups
How long are SD and microSD cards expected to last? Asking because I have a dozen of them lying around
I don't have an exact time span but personally I wouldn't trust them as anything more than temporary device storage, they randomly die often
Cheap, low quality flash, poorer QC, etc
Or... you could buy multiple copies of the Blu-Ray so that if one copy fails, you'll always have backup Barbies at the ready.
No they'll all fail at the same time 25 to 30 years in the future.
You need to buy multiple copies and place each one in a deep freeze, then thaw each one out as the previous one fails. It's the only logical response.
The physical discs degrade overtime. Getting 10 copies now won't stop that, even if one might outlast another for a bit.
So I need 100 copies then?
What's the half life of a Blu-Ray?
It's a start
and the quality of a 4k DVD is really high, much higher than the downloaded copy likely is!
Not the first time people "bought" digital media only to have it taken away.
Physical media or local downloads is the way to go.
Apple did it to apps I bought years ago, Microsoft has done it with Live Arcade games I can no longer redownload, and Nintendo closed their online stores to consoles they stopped supporting. The only store I can think of at the moment which doesn't seem to fuck people is Steam (perhaps Epic but it's too new to cast opinions on).
Epic fucks people in other ways.
About that...
Not exactly Valve's fault
"To be fair, with the servers shutdown, the game would have been impossible to play anyways. This isn’t simply because it’s an online-only game. In fact, Order of War: Challenge has 18 single-player missions as well. But due to always-online DRM, even the single-player portion of the game requires the servers to be up and running."
I guess it's the Always-On DRM that's the issue. Best get rid of that entirely, or force developers to disclose IN LARGE PRINT if a game has it, like they did with parental warning stickers in the late 1980's. And I mean FORCE, as in "you can't be on Steam/whatever because you have unnecessary DRM"
I can still play World Of Goo any time I damn well choose because I paid for it and I own it and the developers were probably not inherently evil humans.
Well, both creators of WoG are former EA employees, so...
Also, at the end of the article:
"Update: It appears that contrary to what I first believed, the single-player portion of the game---Order of War without the "Challenge"---is still available on Steam, and only the multi-player content has been removed."
Square fucked people about there, making it impossible to play.
No DRM is the way to go, physical or digital. Some physical DRM can revoke the licence on the disk (like Blu-ray)
And don't forget shit like Flexplay. The no-return rental DVD that self-destructs after ~48 hours. How ecological. Thankfully it was discontinued in 2011.
Not to be confused with Flexi Disc, which was essentially a CD-sized vinyl record with a sample track, that used to be inserted into magazines. Especially big in russia.
The sound quality left a lot to be desired. He's a very rare Slowdive track with a banging tempo that was only released on Flexi Disc.
Warning: You left tracker in the YouTube link:
https://youtu.be/TyePtIPTfB4?si=GgCtvVl-npQWAAGMThis is just the video link: https://youtu.be/TyePtIPTfB4
Thanks, fixed.
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He's a very rare Slowdive track
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How? It would need an internet connection to revoke it, and you can't write to the Blu-ray disc can you? In other words, you could just turn off internet connection from the player?
Blu-Ray discs can carry offline updates that blacklist other discs. All players must support these updates as part of licensing the technology. All your blu-rays may play today, but if an update comes along to revoke the license on a title and you play a disc that carries the update that enables that revocation, it won’t play back on your device. It’s occasionally been used to disable known pirated discs, and so far hasn’t been used on licensed materials, but “so far” is never much assurance.
Welcome to data hoarding
when 4TBs are 50-100€, you bet your ass i'm gonna host a jellyfin server for the entire family.
Damn right you are
*coughs in pirate*
I had to change my email/account with google and couldn't port the apps in the gplay store. This was mostly due to having a google domains that did many years ago, but still didn't get any solution when I explained that to the google customer service. It was clear to me that is not worth wasting a penny there.
PS5 games are like 90 GB. A DVD ROM stores 4.7 GB.
Its over.
Bluray can store 128GB
I think you missed the "local downloads" part.
We dong use DVDs for games anymore that are physical they use blueray. A blueray xl disc can hold line 100gb
Sony should invent a way for people to buy a movie, own it, and be able to store it on a shelf or something. Maybe we can even lend them to friends or start a library.
What do you mean "lend"? They won't buy it themselves?? Corporate blasphemy!
And to think the joke back in 2013 was that it was Microsoft who so fervently defended the right to "not allow people to sell, lend or share their games", while Sony was just "With our console, you can"
Something round and flat and blue. If only that technology existed 😩
You could even like, use a really high frequency of laser rays so that you can pack as much data on that blue disc! Maybe we could trademark this. I'll call it High Definition DVD.
I wasn’t expecting that HD DVD throwback. Cracked me up!
Wasn't it SME that constantly came up with the dumbest fucking DRM garbage on their CDs that made you unable to play them in regular media players?
Sometimes they also came up with literal malware as DRM.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
Thank fuck for Kazaa at the time.
Ok, but why would I want to store digital media on a shelf? IMHO not having physical media cluttering up my physical space is a big advantage of online purchases. That, and being able to acquire new stuff at any time, day or night, without even leaving home.
Well, I'd also take the option of just downloading it and keeping it on my hard drive.
So they're promoting piracy, because that's how you promote piracy.
This is the unfortunate reality of current intellectual property. Anytime you don't have a copy of something directly in your possession, either as a physical object like a BluRay, or digital file(s) on digital storage only you control, you don't really own it. You're just borrowing it, or more strictly speaking, you're purchasing the right to access it until the agreement between the creator company (i.e., WarnerDiscovery) and the hosting company (i.e., Sony) expires.
When issues like this come up, there are right ways and wrong ways to handle it. This is an example of a wrong way. Google's handling of the Stadia shutdown was an example of the right way. Any game you purchased on Stadia was refunded to the original payment method, not store credit, at the price you paid giving you the ability to reacquire the game on another platform and/or in another medium. They even refunded in-game purchases of things like premium currency (e.g. silver in Destiny 2, or crowns in Elder Scrolls Online) which was a great bonus because you got that whether you had spent the in-game currency or not so it was essentially free.
Personally, I'd like protection like what Google offered to be legally mandated for the purchase of streaming content. Sony has little choice in the matter if WarnerDiscovery won't renew the streaming license. Legally, they must revoke access to the content, but currently they can choose to not compensate users who lose access to the content through these legal machinations and that's what I have a problem with.
This is as good of a time as any to tell you guys that future Oscar winning movie, Barbie, is now also available on Blu-Ray and DVD, physical copies that you'll always have if you want to watch it again.
Blu-Ray discs can carry mandatory software updates that change the functionality of playback devices, add “protections” against “piracy”, and could potentially revoke licenses of content on other discs.
Media companies are prepared to screw you over regardless of wether or not you but content from them. I do believe in paying for content, but I don’t trust any modern distribution to last, so I have a couple backups of all the media I’ve ever purchased. And for formats that make it difficult to back up, I sail the seven seas.
Blue ray only lasts 25-40 years on average. Just pirate it xD.
Hard disk drives will last even less. The lubrication will dry up and the disk will seize way before the 25 year mark.
Bluray is a fine back up media, I use them for stuff on my NAS that I cannot lose like precious pictures of family and friends. Not all of us live on am abandoned salt mine with perfect temperature and humidity for long term tape storage.
That's what you have redundancies and backups
How long are SD and microSD cards expected to last? Asking because I have a dozen of them lying around
I don't have an exact time span but personally I wouldn't trust them as anything more than temporary device storage, they randomly die often
Cheap, low quality flash, poorer QC, etc
Or... you could buy multiple copies of the Blu-Ray so that if one copy fails, you'll always have backup Barbies at the ready.
No they'll all fail at the same time 25 to 30 years in the future.
You need to buy multiple copies and place each one in a deep freeze, then thaw each one out as the previous one fails. It's the only logical response.
The physical discs degrade overtime. Getting 10 copies now won't stop that, even if one might outlast another for a bit.
So I need 100 copies then?
What's the half life of a Blu-Ray?
It's a start
and the quality of a 4k DVD is really high, much higher than the downloaded copy likely is!
🏴☠️
This is actual theft. If they want to go on about piracy being theft, justify this first.
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