Abbott: ‘We’re not shooting people’ who cross the border because feds ‘would charge us with murder’

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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) said shooting people who cross the border is the only tool the state is not using to deter migrants because the Biden administration would sue the state for “murder.”

“We are using every tool that can be used from building a border wall, to building these border barriers, to passing this law that I signed that led to another lawsuit by the Biden administration where I signed a law making it illegal for somebody to enter Texas from another country,” Abbott said on “The Dana Loesch Show” last week.

“The only thing that we’re not doing is we’re not shooting people who come across the border, because of course the Biden administration would charge us with murder,” Abbott later added.

Texas Democratic Party Chair Gilberto Hinojosa blasted Abbott’s remarks in a statement issued Thursday.

“The only thing stopping Greg Abbott from ordering law enforcement to shoot migrant women and children are murder charges. Time and time again, Greg Abbott and Texas Republicans have made it abundantly clear they have no morality or humanity,” Hinojosa said in a lengthy statement.

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International law too. They have the right to seek amnesty. You murder them and there will nowhere to hide.

Why would someone seeking amnesty cross the border at a random spot, rather than an official border crossing where they could tell the workers they are seeking amnesty?

Per international law, they must stand on foreign ground, not a particular place or time. A few years ago I saw figures which indicated most US illegal immigrants to the US actually fly into the US and overstay their visas. They too can request amnesty at any time and anywhere in the US.

Because that would actually lower your chances of receiving amnesty. And it's not like they can just go home once denied.

The problem is, since Trump, we completely fucked up the process for requesting refugee status, and that's what these people are requesting, amnesty is a related, but different thing:

https://www.usa.gov/refugee

"Typically, to apply, you must first register with the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) in the country to which you have fled. UNHCR will determine if you qualify for refugee status."

Same for requesting asylum:

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-in-the-united-states

"To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status."

In order to request asylum or refugee status, you have to be INSIDE the US, and we've been turning away potential refugees at the border:

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2023-06-20/biden-asylum-seekers-turned-down-rates

Why would you want to require that for someone running for their life ?

What good among that ?

That defeats the purpose.

You have an absolute right under natural law to trespass onto your neighbor's property, bang on the door in the middle of the night, and ask for help. They could refuse.

Natural law puts you under their protection while you ask, and while they decide.

"why would you not go to the places where the people putting you in concentration camps prefer to catch you?" 🤔

Probably much safer to try and get into New Mexico or California and THEN seek asylum than to give yourself up to the people allowed to do anything short of murdering you who don't even always abide by THAT restriction.

Maybe because at these spots there are many people that only don't shoot them becazse they would be charged by the feds if they did.

Im not sure you would trust them to treat you fairly if you sought amnesty.

Yes, it's against the law to murder people, very good.

It's supposed to get cold there this weekend Greg, maybe worry less about migrants and worry more about keeping the lights on.

Cold snap? Thanks for reminding me that I need to have the staff prepare Mr. Cruz's usual suite. He gets cranky if he has to wait too long in the executive lounge, despite free margaritas and a breathtaking view of the Carribean.

The same people who say without religion we would all be murderers.

Wow, imagine PROUDLY proclaiming you would be a psychopathic murderer of people who walked over an imaginary line with absolutely no remorse, but the only thing stopping you is prison time...

This is why they're such strong supporters of violence police and incarceration - they believe society is only held together by violence because that's the only thing stopping them.

What was that thing these religious fools like to say? Thou shalt not kill?

Or is he just displaying his "Christian" pro-life values

Yeah, they need sky daddy to tell them not to do it, because they have no morals or value of their own.

Their "sky daddy" has explicitly told them not to do it. They just don't care

If one of those migrants is pregnant, though, then wouldn't a nosy neighbor in Texas get to sue them for murder, or something?

Silly rabbit. That's only when it's politically advantageous. Fascists have no problem aborting immigrants or their babies.

Not true. They don't allow immigrant women bodily autonomy either.

Alternate headline: "Abbott: Hunting season for migrants is open."

What a sick fuck!

Remember, Republicans have "Christian" values.

WWJD WWSWAJD What would straight white American Jesus do?

Maaaan these christofascists would HATE the real Jesus if he came back

He'd definitely free all the detained immigrants and flog the people who put them there

Ah, so the reason you don't shoot innocent people is not because it's immoral? It's because you'll get caught?

Texas Gov. and professional little piss baby Greg Abbott

FTFY

Prolife except when it comes to murdering people that are not white

“The only thing that we’re not doing is we’re not shooting people who come across the border, because of course the Biden administration would charge us with murder,” Abbott later added.

He didn't clarify that immediately, he took a while. Hmm.

Feds aren’t charging them with human trafficking for the bus/flight “relocations”…

This is the best summary I could come up with:

“We are using every tool that can be used from building a border wall, to building these border barriers, to passing this law that I signed that led to another lawsuit by the Biden administration where I signed a law making it illegal for somebody to enter Texas from another country,” Abbott said on “The Dana Loesch Show” last week.

Texas Democratic Party Chair Gilberto Hinojosa blasted Abbott’s remarks in a statement issued Thursday.

“The only thing stopping Greg Abbott from ordering law enforcement to shoot migrant women and children are murder charges.

Texas has installed razor wire barriers alongside its border, which the Biden administration asked the Supreme Court to weigh in on last week.

We laid down this razor wire, hundreds of miles of it that was an effective deterrent and repelled migrants from entering the state of Texas,” Abbott told host Dana Loesch.

The Justice Department already filed a lawsuit against Texas last week after warning the state not to enforce the new law.

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What should America do about the border?

Accept those that come and act to integrate them into society. They come seeing a better life and reprieve from persecution, just as the immigrants from Europe through the 1700s, 1800s, and early 1900s did.

I am so for this. I would love for immigrants to come into my area and open businesses in all the empty storefronts and do all the hard work in restoring a lost economy. I don't know what conservatives are trying to protect? The long picked over bones of the 50s?

I don't know what conservatives are trying to protect?

The "white race" is the lie sold by people like Tucker Carlson and his promotion of the white supremacist "Great Replacement theory." Its why Trump said immigrants are "poisoning the blood" of our country.

There's a reason they were both endorsed by David Duke in 2020.

I would say white is a color not a race, not a culture. White skin spans many different cultures and places, and anything anyone today might consider to be "white" about those places is just as likely to be steeped in brown. Africa was the cradle of all civilization after all.

That's exactly why I put it in quotes; race is a social construct that is constantly being redefined.

Practical answer: pour funding into immigration courts and hire a bunch more immigration judges, and scale up the pro bono legal aid.

The phenomena of mass asylum requests are driven by the 4 year wait times to get a case adjudicated. If we got that down to a couple of months, then fewer people with weak cases would attempt it.

these people dont seem to understand the migration actually helps our economy. if immigrants are successfully integrated with jobs and taxes, etc. they cause less legal problems and are a benefit to the community.

but they cant see past their racism. this is all racists all the way down. there is no border problem accept when we choose for it to be a problem.

we spend 2 Billion dollars a day to protect the planet with our 'defense'... but we cant seem to figure out how to just let immigrants come in and get jobs that no one else wants??

Start tracking the number of migrants leaving the country, for starters.

Google "circular migration," if you want to get a full grasp of what's actually happening at the border and what the politicians don't want you to know.

Yes!

These governors bitch about migrants depend on them for their states' economies.

Everyone in America does.

Like 99% of them don't overstay their Visas or do anything illegal while they are here.

And if they did care about immigrants taking American jobs, they would crack down on the people hiring them illegally.

But they want to have a permanent underclass of workers who can't demand a fair wage.

Open that bitch up and make America truly great. Israel is a false idol, if their God was true then America could be Zion for all people. Instead, religious fascists allow corporations to enslave the public to make room for their own agenda. We should immediately defund Israel and put that money into the border and use it to fund asylum programs, especially for Palestineans and Ukrainians displaced by their genocidal neighbors, as atonement for our own genocidal past.