Hey guys, listen up. The scraps Amazon is giving me are insufficient to make ends meet. UNIONS ARE THE PROBLEM!
Jesus, when you put it like that, even if Darla isn't a robot or a paid astroturfer, she's still making the case for unions.
Yeah the argument itself is so transparently dumb that no legitimate person would hold it; and I think the dunk tweet is pointing out that in addition to having no good argument, Amazon thinks we're too stupid to notice the astroturf.
There are people who genuinely believe this, sadly. I've encountered them here where I live in South Dakota where we're propagandized against unions from a very young age. These are people who would easily fall for obvious astroturfing like Darla above. It's one reason I think basic tech and media literacy are so important.
Yeah, imagine being paid so poorly that union dues are a hardship. Maybe you could use a union there, pals.
Amazon pays me SO LITTLE I can BARELY Squeak by! And that's why UNIONS are bad!
Jesus fuck how can they be this pathetically transparent?
Amazon probably outsourcing to a PR that specializes in union busting.
But the PR firm that has little technical expertise - they just know they need bots to do some astroturfing.
So the PR firm outsources to an IT consulting firm.
But the IT consulting firm only bids on contracts, they don't do the actual work, so they find a subcontractor.
The subcontractor may hire subcontractors. Continue this step for however many iterations the value of the contract will allow.
Eventually the subcontractor hires a gig worker or an underpaid staffer to do the minimal amount of work possible.
The gig worker avoids as much effort as possible, because they're paid by volume rather than time.
At this point the requirements may or may not be fulfilled, but the admins of each org are satisfied, so they move on to the next contract without verifying the work.
Edit: I wrote this facetiously, but u/SpaceNoodle found a news article suggesting at least some of these accounts are legit, as backed up by a Belling Cat investigation.
No, they rolled their own in-house program to get real brainwashed dolts to be "brand ambassadors."
Not saying I don’t believe you at all, but would love to read about this if you have a source?
If Amazon wants better astroturfing from the gig workers, those gig workers doing the actual work need to get a much bigger chunk of the money. They should unionize!
Damn it seems even PR firms that specializes in union busting have been enshittified too? Is nothing sacred?
Sounds like they could use a union :p
The Amazon employee hired to do this and is trying to fight for unions secretly: :(
They're even shafting their shills when it comes to paying a decent wage.
There's no reason to try any harder than this. Most people who will see this tweet won't look at the handle or the replies - they're read the tweet, then move on. And if they see enough of these tweets, they may just internalize the notion that unions aren't worth it. It's better for Amazon to make more tweets than it is for them to make better tweets. And it's not like they're going to see any repercussions for trying to maliciously influence their employees.
Something similar happened when there were all of those news stories about abusive work environments at Amazon. Amazon employees spontaneously tweeting about how much they loved their jobs.
As a gay black man...
My union dues are 1/52 of my yearly pay. I make $25.77 an hour in an entry level job with no education requirements. Minimum wage here is $16.55 an hour.
You could have made -34.5% more without an union
Yeah you could have not bought like 5 xboxes instead
Well you may be making 50k before taxes, but you're paying like a thousand dollars a year in union dues! You could instead be making 33k with no union dues, and a smaller tax burden. Think of how much you could buy with that extra thousand dollars!
On a side note are you hiring, and how far are you from Wichita, Kansas? I don't mind a commute
This year because I’m a union member I get 3 paid sick days and a personal day extra, which would pay for my dues for the year twice.
unions are trying to use the threat of a strike to increase worker wages so that fewer workers need to scrape by. We should have union loans that pay union dues until the wages are increased (by union activity), and then use part of the increased wages to pay off the loan.
That's pretty well what a strike fund does. Dues get paid in, and paid out if a strike happens.
no, I think a strike fund is different, a strike fund is like a collective savings account for union members to save up for a strike, while my idea prevents workers interested in unions but not interested in union dues from needing to pay union dues until after their wages are increased.
Yeah, but that starts to walk right up to the 'right to work' line, give me the benefits of a union shop without the responsibilities like voting, dues, or solidarity of action until later. If a union is in place you already have benefits of it most likely by having a guaranteed raise schedule or higher starting wages than you otherwise would. If it's just being established you'll have a vote, and if it gets established against your vote then that's just the way it is and you either join or leave.
The dues are integral towards the operation by funding things like a strike fund, hiring negotiators, or any other operational costs.
Think the other side of it, you get hired and floated a 'loan' until some later point. In the interim a strike is called. Are you going to walk out and expect pay from the union from a fund you haven't paid into?
well yeah kinda. What I mean is that means testing employees trying to unionize by requesting union dues before joining is a great way to to segregate the workforce between the wealthy (those who can afford union dues) and the poor (those who can't afford union dues). At the extreme, it's like an elite club of the highest-earning employees and the employees who work a sidegig. There should be union financial aid available for those whose expenses and budget can't afford to join a union until after they get a raise.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
We are Ju-Di
Even the PFP is so obviously generated by thispersondoesnotexist.com lol
They all have that unnatural looking direct camera stare with a vague background.
A lot of them share that exact same smile. Not sure how to describe it
Also feels like the camera is the exact same distance from every face.
I'm sure if you zoom in to the original pfp, you'll find the classic image artifacts. Probably even the website watermark.
Using an actual unlicensed shutterstock image would feel more authentic at this point.
Darla there reads like a coherent Trump.
Anyone wanna bet on it being a fake account meant to spread misleading information on unions, while appearing to be voicing legitimate concerns?
That is the whole point of this post.
Is it? Hahaha well, at least I'm on the same page. Can't catch them all. My bad.
Yeah no worries
Unfortunately for "Darla", Amazon already pays her barely enough to scrape by. Before union dues. I'm fairly certain the union or the dues aren't the issues "Darla" should be voicing her concerns over.
Jesus, when you put it like that, even if Darla isn't a robot or a paid astroturfer, she's still making the case for unions.
Yeah the argument itself is so transparently dumb that no legitimate person would hold it; and I think the dunk tweet is pointing out that in addition to having no good argument, Amazon thinks we're too stupid to notice the astroturf.
There are people who genuinely believe this, sadly. I've encountered them here where I live in South Dakota where we're propagandized against unions from a very young age. These are people who would easily fall for obvious astroturfing like Darla above. It's one reason I think basic tech and media literacy are so important.
Yeah, imagine being paid so poorly that union dues are a hardship. Maybe you could use a union there, pals.
Amazon pays me SO LITTLE I can BARELY Squeak by! And that's why UNIONS are bad!
Jesus fuck how can they be this pathetically transparent?
Amazon probably outsourcing to a PR that specializes in union busting.
But the PR firm that has little technical expertise - they just know they need bots to do some astroturfing.
So the PR firm outsources to an IT consulting firm.
But the IT consulting firm only bids on contracts, they don't do the actual work, so they find a subcontractor.
The subcontractor may hire subcontractors. Continue this step for however many iterations the value of the contract will allow.
Eventually the subcontractor hires a gig worker or an underpaid staffer to do the minimal amount of work possible.
The gig worker avoids as much effort as possible, because they're paid by volume rather than time.
At this point the requirements may or may not be fulfilled, but the admins of each org are satisfied, so they move on to the next contract without verifying the work.
Edit: I wrote this facetiously, but u/SpaceNoodle found a news article suggesting at least some of these accounts are legit, as backed up by a Belling Cat investigation.
No, they rolled their own in-house program to get real brainwashed dolts to be "brand ambassadors."
Not saying I don’t believe you at all, but would love to read about this if you have a source?
https://futurism.com/the-byte/amazon-bizarre-brand-ambassadors-real-employees
Searching for "Amazon brand ambassadors" should help you find more articles.
I think it's just speculations
Nope.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/amazon-bizarre-brand-ambassadors-real-employees
Interesting, I can't verify this though
How do you expect to verify it? Are the quotes directly from Amazon PR in that article somehow insufficient?
That's not what I 'm saying, I do believe you but it is not something I would tell someone else as a fact, knowing amazon it is very probable though
But ... it's a fact. It's documented. Amazon literally said they did it.
Alright, must have misread something, sorry
The article references a Belling Cat investigation where they find evidence suggesting it's legit: https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2019/08/15/amazons-online-bezos-brigade-unleashed-on-twitter/
It looks like Belling Cat checked it out and figures it's real.
If Amazon wants better astroturfing from the gig workers, those gig workers doing the actual work need to get a much bigger chunk of the money. They should unionize!
Damn it seems even PR firms that specializes in union busting have been enshittified too? Is nothing sacred?
Sounds like they could use a union :p
The Amazon employee hired to do this and is trying to fight for unions secretly: :(
They're even shafting their shills when it comes to paying a decent wage.
There's no reason to try any harder than this. Most people who will see this tweet won't look at the handle or the replies - they're read the tweet, then move on. And if they see enough of these tweets, they may just internalize the notion that unions aren't worth it. It's better for Amazon to make more tweets than it is for them to make better tweets. And it's not like they're going to see any repercussions for trying to maliciously influence their employees.
Something similar happened when there were all of those news stories about abusive work environments at Amazon. Amazon employees spontaneously tweeting about how much they loved their jobs.
As a gay black man...
My union dues are 1/52 of my yearly pay. I make $25.77 an hour in an entry level job with no education requirements. Minimum wage here is $16.55 an hour.
You could have made -34.5% more without an union
Yeah you could have not bought like 5 xboxes instead
Well you may be making 50k before taxes, but you're paying like a thousand dollars a year in union dues! You could instead be making 33k with no union dues, and a smaller tax burden. Think of how much you could buy with that extra thousand dollars!
On a side note are you hiring, and how far are you from Wichita, Kansas? I don't mind a commute
This year because I’m a union member I get 3 paid sick days and a personal day extra, which would pay for my dues for the year twice.
Spek is a gem.
Fuck Amazon, support the unionization effort at KCVG the companies largest airhub. A small donation can go a long way to support leaders facing illegal firings as well as show solidarity to employees who Amazon is constantly trying to intimidate.
unions are trying to use the threat of a strike to increase worker wages so that fewer workers need to scrape by. We should have union loans that pay union dues until the wages are increased (by union activity), and then use part of the increased wages to pay off the loan.
That's pretty well what a strike fund does. Dues get paid in, and paid out if a strike happens.
no, I think a strike fund is different, a strike fund is like a collective savings account for union members to save up for a strike, while my idea prevents workers interested in unions but not interested in union dues from needing to pay union dues until after their wages are increased.
Yeah, but that starts to walk right up to the 'right to work' line, give me the benefits of a union shop without the responsibilities like voting, dues, or solidarity of action until later. If a union is in place you already have benefits of it most likely by having a guaranteed raise schedule or higher starting wages than you otherwise would. If it's just being established you'll have a vote, and if it gets established against your vote then that's just the way it is and you either join or leave.
The dues are integral towards the operation by funding things like a strike fund, hiring negotiators, or any other operational costs.
Think the other side of it, you get hired and floated a 'loan' until some later point. In the interim a strike is called. Are you going to walk out and expect pay from the union from a fund you haven't paid into?
well yeah kinda. What I mean is that means testing employees trying to unionize by requesting union dues before joining is a great way to to segregate the workforce between the wealthy (those who can afford union dues) and the poor (those who can't afford union dues). At the extreme, it's like an elite club of the highest-earning employees and the employees who work a sidegig. There should be union financial aid available for those whose expenses and budget can't afford to join a union until after they get a raise.
There is no war in Ba Sing Se
We are Ju-Di
Even the PFP is so obviously generated by thispersondoesnotexist.com lol
They all have that unnatural looking direct camera stare with a vague background.
A lot of them share that exact same smile. Not sure how to describe it
Also feels like the camera is the exact same distance from every face.
I'm sure if you zoom in to the original pfp, you'll find the classic image artifacts. Probably even the website watermark.
Using an actual unlicensed shutterstock image would feel more authentic at this point.
Darla there reads like a coherent Trump.
Anyone wanna bet on it being a fake account meant to spread misleading information on unions, while appearing to be voicing legitimate concerns?
That is the whole point of this post.
Is it? Hahaha well, at least I'm on the same page. Can't catch them all. My bad.
Yeah no worries
Unfortunately for "Darla", Amazon already pays her barely enough to scrape by. Before union dues. I'm fairly certain the union or the dues aren't the issues "Darla" should be voicing her concerns over.