Supporting either side in this idiotic war over religion is stupid. That said, I don't know what anyone expected Iran to do after Israel bombed their embassy.
You can just support international law, you don't have to choose between Israel and Iran. Embassies are considered soverign soil of the nation they represent and so bombing an embassy is a direct attack on another country. When Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022 they got sanctioned by the international community. There are plenty of other examples in recent history of consequences for aggression. The only question is why is Israel exempt from consequences that apply to other countries? That's what this false dichotomy (Israel vs. Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah etc.) is trying to mask- instead of asking why Israel is exempt from legal consequences it changes the dialogue to "if you don't support Israel then you support terrorism" and thereby nullifies international law since the law is applied selectively.
What I see is that in general, the big powers, as in the US and China don't hold their close allies accountable. It's not like China held Russia to account for Bucha or Ukraine in general.
Personally I think Iran kinda spoiled ever getting to complain about foul play involving foreign embassies, what I'm more interested in here is how far the US is gonna go in retaliation, because obviously they're gonna do something here, I'm just wondering how much it'll be and in what form.
Personally if I was making the call, I'd sweep the IDF out of Gaza altogether and relegate them to "defensive line duty", or more accurately "DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE TOUCH ANYTHING YOU GENOCIDAL MORONS.", and then kill two birds with an army of drones, Iran just invited destruction onto all of their war material production shit and Russia is probably shitting bricks that their entire reserve strategy just got exposed to causus belli.
Russia is gleefully rubbing their hands because they know the US public can literally only keep one thought in their heads at once and this grantees political apathy towards the Russian invasion.
Maybe not though. Russia needs all the drones they can get from Iran. Israel making Iran focus on them negates part of the supply support Russia requires for Ukraine.
The only thing required for Russia to win is the US to continue not sending aid.
Iran and China are no longer necessary. Russia's wartime economy is in full swing.
Iran and China are 100% necessary. That's where Russia is getting components from. Russia mostly doing final assembly. Reports nearly weekly bring up Chinese and even US made components being found in Russian equipment.
Lots of false equivalances related to this war but being against Israel bombing an embassy in another country is not the same as supporting Iran. You don't have to choose between Israel and Iran, you have to choose between Israel and international law / human rights.
Phrasing it as "if you don't support Israel then you support Iran (or Hamas, Hezbolla etc.)" is to disregard the importance of international law and the fact that it applies to everyone.
being against Israel bombing an embassy in another country is not the same as supporting Iran.
Yep. I support Israel but they crossed the line. I fully expected Iran to attack back and Israel should let it go now.
This Article is about Iran bombing Israel, not anything else.
Any Comment on here going "But what about Israel bombing the Embassy" is derailing the Conversation and defending Iran.
You are allowed to be against indiscriminate Attacks without supporting the bombing of Embassies.
Any Comment on here going "But what about " is derailing the Conversation and defending Iran.
this has been the zionist game forever, by the way do you condemn the genocide in Gaza?
I do in fact condemn the warcrimes in Gaza.
And no: you're using the same tactics currently you always decry the "Zionists" using. You're seeing a article about Party A and immediately cry "but what about party B, you Antimesites Zionists"
You're not a lick better than them, you just root for the other team.
???
the reason for the attack is very relevant when discussing an article about the attack
More like seeing event B which was caused by event A and saying "check out event A." It's not whataboutism. It's literally cause and effect. Israel has promised a response to these attacks. These attacks were a response to an attack. Which part of it should be ignored?
How is retaliation for an act of war indiscriminate? Bombing an embassy isn't like accidentally parking across two spaces. It's a gross violation of international law.
Just remember that Israel started this.
There are strict rules about legitimate military targets. Those are to be followed. Period.
If you demand Israel follow these rules, but don't hold Iran to the same standard I don't wish to continue this conversation.
Your honor putting aside my crimes for a moment is it really justifiable to send me to jail for no reason? Remember now, we are only talking about sending me to jail we're not talking about all those things I did
Lmao perfect
This is a deeply flawed analogy. We are not talking about the actions of Israel but the Response of Iran being illegal: targeting civilian targets, forbidden by the rules of war.
A better analogy would be: The law says a criminal should be punished with a maximum of 5 years in prison, but the judge hands out 20 years.
What the judge did was still wrong and illegal, no matter what the criminal did.
If you want to live in a world where everyone can bomb everyone, just remember why we introduced those rules and how many nations have nukes today.
But youre still ignoring the context that it's in response to an illegal attack by Israel. If Israel isn't being held accountable then Iran knows that it won't either, in which case what's illegal have to do with it? Either that or Iran will be held accountable and Israel won't, in which case illegal isn't the issue here, rather hypocracy and favoratism.
So you're saying that we should hold neither accountable because they both did something, do I understand that correctly? Because that sounds like an awful solution.
No, I'm saying Israel has not right to complain. If you punch someone in the face, you don't get to complain when they punch you back. You also shouldn't get backup for it.
Let me just say fuck anyone who targets civilians.
Israel has killed more civilians in the past six months than the rest of the world has in like 5 years. Absolutely ignorant to say "targeting civilians" is bad and not point that out.
Iran targeted Israeli military facilities, not civilians.
Did I say otherwise?
And Israel got 99% of what was launched, is it not suspicious they suck at intercepting diy dumb rockets but somehow get near perfect intercepts on higher tech guided munitions?
The Iran launches were a country away. So a lot more time to target, the diy stuff is coming from a lot closer so less time to prep. They can hit the stuff coming out of Lebanon pretty accurately too.
Simple question, is it easier to catch a baseball or a locomotive.
Ed: also not to be pedantic but both are fired from another country.
This is so disconnected from reality. The most obvious flaw is the blatant fact that nobody loves Trump and wants Trump to win more than Netanyahu. Israel is a chud-nation.
vigerously starts watching the Amazon Fallout series
I just finished the first episode. If nukes start flying before I finish the series, I will be very annoyed.
Me too! Pretty good episode. At least they had a good budget to replicate the world. It's very promising....assuming we all survive.
I'm on episode 7.
You can do it! It will at least help if you become a Ghoul.
When a fictional series becomes a documentary.
I’m already at the 5th training video. Waiting to see if I get a certification at the end
I guess this is the next chapter in the endless middle-east war. The British & French got exactly what they wanted when they drew up those borders. It’s truly tragic how many people are going to die in the next decade because of religious and nationalistic despots and their egos.
Even in that very long list of European crimes in history, Sykes-Picot really outshines the rest in how big of a fuckup it was.
This has very little to do with the colonial borders drawn by the British and French almost 100 years ago. Rather it's animosity due to more recent events. In this case, Israel's betray of the Iranian people right before the revolution of 1979.
I support Iran’s defensive actions against Israeli aggression. I hope Iran chooses military and intelligence targets instead of civilian ones, in compliance with international law, despite Israel targeting primarily civilians in their war of conquest.
You’re supporting widening the war. You’re supporting more suffering and death. There is no genocide against Iran. Iran is stirring up trouble, widening the war, involving more and more people. That’s bad
Israel intentionally caused this, not Iran.
Israel blew up a compound where the IRGC was training Hezbollah. Go look up who died in the attack, no one’s refuting that bit of data. Hezbollah’s been in open conflict with Israel for months now.
Are you really so naive to think that blowing up another country's embassy on another country's sovereign soil is all hunky dory because "muh terrorism"? Embassies are civilian objects. To not expect retaliation for such a thing is incredibly stupid. Israel knew what it was doing.
Iran intentionally caused all of this when they had Hamas attack in October. The whole point of Hamas starting shit was to derail peace talks between Israel and the Saudis. With one of the main focus areas being an official Palestinian state.
To say Iran ordered Hamas to attack on October 8th is to show how much of an ignoramus you are.
Russia and Iran met to coordinate weeks before the attack. Hamas then executed an attack plan they had been holding back on for 2 years.
It wasn't a coincidence and acting like it was is idiotic. But you're welcome to follow the crowd here and put your head in the sand.
Israel is trying to widen the war. The Iranian response fairly tame and measured as usual. Like when we illegally killed their general in Iraq and they casually hit our bases there.
They'll go after nuclear facilities
Iran going to get its ass kicked.
Comedy gold right here. You couldn't be more biased or more wrong if you tried.
I am biased against genocide, wars of conquest, and bombing civilians. You got me
Who’s committing genocide in Iran? Are they killing off Kurds again?
Who’s trying to conquer Iran?
Who’s bombing civilians in Iran?
How dare the Iranians care about Palestinians lives.
But you support Hamas who openly want to kill every Jew in the middle east.
I feel like you’re trying to play a game called “who has more blood on their hands,” and believe that game has a winner.
The only winning move is not to play.
israel doesn't stop playing.
No one reading your comment will take you seriously when you claim OP said something they didn't say. You realize the comment is right there for us to read, right?
A more militarily active Iran is never a good thing.
As opposed to an active genocidal occupier in Palestine?
shouldn't have pissed off the Israelis.. now go back to bed, there are missiles flying..
It's literally been happening on and off for thousands of years there..
Not really. The occupation only began in 1917 at the earliest categorization.
The Palestinians had self rule before 1917?
They weren't colonized that's for sure, they were (mostly) Muslim Arabs in a country where being a Muslim/Arab was normal and didn't imply you had less rights or straight up didn't deserve life.
I think I understand your point of confusion. The original comment said this has been going on for thousands of years, and I meant to say that it only began around 1917. Although there was an Ottoman occupation before the brief Arab rule period, the Ottoman occupation did not have the turmoil and issues associated with the Zionist occupation.
Where did I make any self rule claims? Don't see why it's relevant.
Anyone taking action against a country committing genocide has my appreciation
They do not care about the genocide, they care about reacting to the bombing of their own embassy.
I don't particularly care what their motivation is.
The US House will vote on Israeli aid next week because of all this. Hopefully it'll include Ukrainian and humanitarian aid.
Big influx of Hasbara bots here today
Ngl, I read Hasbro
I'm glad Biden's saber rattling, instead of attempting de-escalation when it was hand out on a silver platter was effective!
No one could have seen that coming though, obviously.
Supporting either side in this idiotic war over religion is stupid. That said, I don't know what anyone expected Iran to do after Israel bombed their embassy.
You can just support international law, you don't have to choose between Israel and Iran. Embassies are considered soverign soil of the nation they represent and so bombing an embassy is a direct attack on another country. When Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022 they got sanctioned by the international community. There are plenty of other examples in recent history of consequences for aggression. The only question is why is Israel exempt from consequences that apply to other countries? That's what this false dichotomy (Israel vs. Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah etc.) is trying to mask- instead of asking why Israel is exempt from legal consequences it changes the dialogue to "if you don't support Israel then you support terrorism" and thereby nullifies international law since the law is applied selectively.
What I see is that in general, the big powers, as in the US and China don't hold their close allies accountable. It's not like China held Russia to account for Bucha or Ukraine in general.
Personally I think Iran kinda spoiled ever getting to complain about foul play involving foreign embassies, what I'm more interested in here is how far the US is gonna go in retaliation, because obviously they're gonna do something here, I'm just wondering how much it'll be and in what form.
Personally if I was making the call, I'd sweep the IDF out of Gaza altogether and relegate them to "defensive line duty", or more accurately "DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE TOUCH ANYTHING YOU GENOCIDAL MORONS.", and then kill two birds with an army of drones, Iran just invited destruction onto all of their war material production shit and Russia is probably shitting bricks that their entire reserve strategy just got exposed to causus belli.
Russia is gleefully rubbing their hands because they know the US public can literally only keep one thought in their heads at once and this grantees political apathy towards the Russian invasion.
Maybe not though. Russia needs all the drones they can get from Iran. Israel making Iran focus on them negates part of the supply support Russia requires for Ukraine.
The only thing required for Russia to win is the US to continue not sending aid.
Iran and China are no longer necessary. Russia's wartime economy is in full swing.
Iran and China are 100% necessary. That's where Russia is getting components from. Russia mostly doing final assembly. Reports nearly weekly bring up Chinese and even US made components being found in Russian equipment.
Lots of false equivalances related to this war but being against Israel bombing an embassy in another country is not the same as supporting Iran. You don't have to choose between Israel and Iran, you have to choose between Israel and international law / human rights.
Phrasing it as "if you don't support Israel then you support Iran (or Hamas, Hezbolla etc.)" is to disregard the importance of international law and the fact that it applies to everyone.
Yep. I support Israel but they crossed the line. I fully expected Iran to attack back and Israel should let it go now.
This Article is about Iran bombing Israel, not anything else.
Any Comment on here going "But what about Israel bombing the Embassy" is derailing the Conversation and defending Iran.
You are allowed to be against indiscriminate Attacks without supporting the bombing of Embassies.
this has been the zionist game forever, by the way do you condemn the genocide in Gaza?
I do in fact condemn the warcrimes in Gaza.
And no: you're using the same tactics currently you always decry the "Zionists" using. You're seeing a article about Party A and immediately cry "but what about party B, you
AntimesitesZionists"You're not a lick better than them, you just root for the other team.
???
the reason for the attack is very relevant when discussing an article about the attack
More like seeing event B which was caused by event A and saying "check out event A." It's not whataboutism. It's literally cause and effect. Israel has promised a response to these attacks. These attacks were a response to an attack. Which part of it should be ignored?
How is retaliation for an act of war indiscriminate? Bombing an embassy isn't like accidentally parking across two spaces. It's a gross violation of international law.
Just remember that Israel started this.
There are strict rules about legitimate military targets. Those are to be followed. Period.
If you demand Israel follow these rules, but don't hold Iran to the same standard I don't wish to continue this conversation.
Your honor putting aside my crimes for a moment is it really justifiable to send me to jail for no reason? Remember now, we are only talking about sending me to jail we're not talking about all those things I did
Lmao perfect
This is a deeply flawed analogy. We are not talking about the actions of Israel but the Response of Iran being illegal: targeting civilian targets, forbidden by the rules of war.
A better analogy would be: The law says a criminal should be punished with a maximum of 5 years in prison, but the judge hands out 20 years.
What the judge did was still wrong and illegal, no matter what the criminal did.
If you want to live in a world where everyone can bomb everyone, just remember why we introduced those rules and how many nations have nukes today.
But youre still ignoring the context that it's in response to an illegal attack by Israel. If Israel isn't being held accountable then Iran knows that it won't either, in which case what's illegal have to do with it? Either that or Iran will be held accountable and Israel won't, in which case illegal isn't the issue here, rather hypocracy and favoratism.
So you're saying that we should hold neither accountable because they both did something, do I understand that correctly? Because that sounds like an awful solution.
No, I'm saying Israel has not right to complain. If you punch someone in the face, you don't get to complain when they punch you back. You also shouldn't get backup for it.
Let me just say fuck anyone who targets civilians.
Israel has killed more civilians in the past six months than the rest of the world has in like 5 years. Absolutely ignorant to say "targeting civilians" is bad and not point that out.
Iran targeted Israeli military facilities, not civilians.
Did I say otherwise?
And Israel got 99% of what was launched, is it not suspicious they suck at intercepting diy dumb rockets but somehow get near perfect intercepts on higher tech guided munitions?
The Iran launches were a country away. So a lot more time to target, the diy stuff is coming from a lot closer so less time to prep. They can hit the stuff coming out of Lebanon pretty accurately too.
Simple question, is it easier to catch a baseball or a locomotive.
Ed: also not to be pedantic but both are fired from another country.
This is just more tankie bullshit. Russia and Iran have been getting buddy-buddy like crazy, especially right before the whole Hamas attack on Israel thing in fall last year. And of course, Iran feeds Hamas war materiel.
Russia is trying to make a war on multiple fronts to exhaust the US and make Biden unpopular while also running a campaign on social media to make Biden look bad and interfere with the 2024 election.
In other words, Russia REALLY wants Trump to win so they can end their expensive and punishing war in Ukraine and come out looking like they won something. Also, trump has made it clear that Israel would get free rein to "finish the problem."
Yeah israel committing Genocide and bombing the Iranian consulate is actually Putins masterplan to make Trump win.
Libs reaching QAnon levels of cope. Vote for God Emperor Biden everyone! He was forced into supporting Genocide!
This is so disconnected from reality. The most obvious flaw is the blatant fact that nobody loves Trump and wants Trump to win more than Netanyahu. Israel is a chud-nation.
vigerously starts watching the Amazon Fallout series
I just finished the first episode. If nukes start flying before I finish the series, I will be very annoyed.
Me too! Pretty good episode. At least they had a good budget to replicate the world. It's very promising....assuming we all survive.
I'm on episode 7.
You can do it! It will at least help if you become a Ghoul.
When a fictional series becomes a documentary.
I’m already at the 5th training video. Waiting to see if I get a certification at the end
I guess this is the next chapter in the endless middle-east war. The British & French got exactly what they wanted when they drew up those borders. It’s truly tragic how many people are going to die in the next decade because of religious and nationalistic despots and their egos.
Even in that very long list of European crimes in history, Sykes-Picot really outshines the rest in how big of a fuckup it was.
This has very little to do with the colonial borders drawn by the British and French almost 100 years ago. Rather it's animosity due to more recent events. In this case, Israel's betray of the Iranian people right before the revolution of 1979.
I support Iran’s defensive actions against Israeli aggression. I hope Iran chooses military and intelligence targets instead of civilian ones, in compliance with international law, despite Israel targeting primarily civilians in their war of conquest.
You’re supporting widening the war. You’re supporting more suffering and death. There is no genocide against Iran. Iran is stirring up trouble, widening the war, involving more and more people. That’s bad
Israel intentionally caused this, not Iran.
Israel blew up a compound where the IRGC was training Hezbollah. Go look up who died in the attack, no one’s refuting that bit of data. Hezbollah’s been in open conflict with Israel for months now.
Are you really so naive to think that blowing up another country's embassy on another country's sovereign soil is all hunky dory because "muh terrorism"? Embassies are civilian objects. To not expect retaliation for such a thing is incredibly stupid. Israel knew what it was doing.
Iran intentionally caused all of this when they had Hamas attack in October. The whole point of Hamas starting shit was to derail peace talks between Israel and the Saudis. With one of the main focus areas being an official Palestinian state.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1141302
To say Iran ordered Hamas to attack on October 8th is to show how much of an ignoramus you are.
Russia and Iran met to coordinate weeks before the attack. Hamas then executed an attack plan they had been holding back on for 2 years.
It wasn't a coincidence and acting like it was is idiotic. But you're welcome to follow the crowd here and put your head in the sand.
Israel is trying to widen the war. The Iranian response fairly tame and measured as usual. Like when we illegally killed their general in Iraq and they casually hit our bases there.
They'll go after nuclear facilities
Iran going to get its ass kicked.
Comedy gold right here. You couldn't be more biased or more wrong if you tried.
I am biased against genocide, wars of conquest, and bombing civilians. You got me
Who’s committing genocide in Iran? Are they killing off Kurds again?
Who’s trying to conquer Iran?
Who’s bombing civilians in Iran?
How dare the Iranians care about Palestinians lives.
And yet you support Iran bombing Israel.
But you support Hamas who openly want to kill every Jew in the middle east.
I feel like you’re trying to play a game called “who has more blood on their hands,” and believe that game has a winner.
The only winning move is not to play.
israel doesn't stop playing.
No one reading your comment will take you seriously when you claim OP said something they didn't say. You realize the comment is right there for us to read, right?
A more militarily active Iran is never a good thing.
As opposed to an active genocidal occupier in Palestine?
shouldn't have pissed off the Israelis.. now go back to bed, there are missiles flying..
It's literally been happening on and off for thousands of years there..
Not really. The occupation only began in 1917 at the earliest categorization.
The Palestinians had self rule before 1917?
They weren't colonized that's for sure, they were (mostly) Muslim Arabs in a country where being a Muslim/Arab was normal and didn't imply you had less rights or straight up didn't deserve life.
I think I understand your point of confusion. The original comment said this has been going on for thousands of years, and I meant to say that it only began around 1917. Although there was an Ottoman occupation before the brief Arab rule period, the Ottoman occupation did not have the turmoil and issues associated with the Zionist occupation.
Where did I make any self rule claims? Don't see why it's relevant.
Anyone taking action against a country committing genocide has my appreciation
They do not care about the genocide, they care about reacting to the bombing of their own embassy.
I don't particularly care what their motivation is.
The US House will vote on Israeli aid next week because of all this. Hopefully it'll include Ukrainian and humanitarian aid.
Big influx of Hasbara bots here today
Ngl, I read Hasbro
I'm glad Biden's saber rattling, instead of attempting de-escalation when it was hand out on a silver platter was effective!
No one could have seen that coming though, obviously.