Did Trump let Americans die purely for political purposes?

Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world to politics @lemmy.world – 360 points – Did Trump let Americans die purely for political purposes?
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of at least a half-million Americans is to argue — nonsensically — that the virus came out of the Wuhan virology lab and therefore something, something, something Trump is not responsible. He’s doing this with House Oversight Committee hearings this week.

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Yes, emphatically YES!

There was a dramatic shift in tone from the Trump White House during the early COVID days once it was realized that the virus outbreak centered on urban areas.

And it was incredibly obvious to anybody paying attention.

And it was also painfully obvious that once it bit into rural areas, it was going to extract even more blood.

Trump lost GA by less votes than people who died of Covid before the election in GA.

I’m so glad trump isn’t skilled in anything, but it does suck that his poor handling of the pandemic meant that a lot of people earned Herman Cain awards needlessly

No, he didn't "let people die".

He actively contributed to those deaths.

Right wing media spent the entire pandemic fighting against distancing, masks, vaccines, against science. And pretending horse dewormer was a miracle solution for everything. But it turns out reality isn't a political opinion, and millions of people died because of those lies.

When humanity was fighting against covid, Republicans were fighting on the virus' side

But at the very beginning, there was one moment where they said we didn't need masks, so all of your points are refuted! /s

I know you're being sarcastic but I still want to punch you. So fucking sick of that shit.

In general, we were lucky that the epidemic wasn't something worse. Imagine the governmental failure during an Ebola pandemic.

Thanks Obama for making us not have to deal with that.

And for having a pandemic response team/office, which Trump dismantled...6 months before COVID hit.

Something worse is coming, and based on what happened this time, I'm terrified.

it happens at least once every hundred years, doesn't mean it won't happen sooner but it will happen again

Will we ever be far enough removed from the pandemic that we can talk about how the federal government lied and ignored 100+ years worth of science on the efficacy of masking (including effective mask mandates during the "Spanish"/Kansas flu pandemic), without being accused of being an antivax conspiracy theorist?

I'm vaxed, waxed and ready to party, but it is a stone cold fact that they told people not to wear masks - and caused untold numbers of deaths - because they didn't want the general public to reduce the current supply.

(Fauci also did an absolutely horrendous, I mean historically awful job dealing with the AIDS crisis, but I guess that's for another time.)

It was a mistake. They screwed up. Talk about it all you want and learn from it. Don't use it to justify not wearing a mask ever again regardless of all evidence presented.

I know you are not saying that.

My problem is the second part of that, so I have no issue with you.

I get frustrated trying to figure how this should go in the future because on the one hand infantilizing the citizenry is acting in bad faith. On the other hand, I lot of people seem to be incapable of critical thinking. The answer is probably somewhere between those extremes but I am not sure where.

I can't get over how 1.1 million Americans died and people are acting like it was bullshit.

Imagine a war causing that many deaths. There would be statues and a memorial holiday. All I got was a slightly diminished sense of smell and grandma's house.

Yup who knows how many people got long covid, chronic fatigue, do we even know all the effects?

Ever since I got COVID, I wake up at night coughing. Every night. It must be connected.

His administration stole supplies meant for liberal states and gave them to conservatives.

So, ugh , yes.

Worse, they sold much of it to the Sauds. Some of the very first shipments of masks and sanitizer.

I wouldn't say for political purposes. I'd say for lazy, ignorant narcissism-yet-inferiority-complex (call it self-loathing), mindless knee-jerk flailing with a five-seconds attention span that resets every five seconds.

Attempt at lazy instant gratification - RESET - Attempt at lazy instant gratification - RESET - Attempt at lazy instant gratification - RESET...
Over and over again. A million times over. Never-ending until that parasitic creature dies. With no care to the death and suffering any of this could bring to those "inferior to me"... and EVERYONE is inferior to that pig, EVERYONE will eventually be thrown under the bus. All for a five-second knee-jerkoff hollow satisfaction.

That's not quite politics. It's something much sicker than that, if you can wrap your head around such a thing. The politics are just the fucking wallpaper on the dungeon.

When you side with Trump, you're siding with Genocide Denial.

Why is this even phrased as a question?

A fun past time of the Trump years has been the articles and videos and such adjudicating whether or not Trump did something that usually we saw him do on TV, at a campaign rally, or through often multiple audio recordings.

"It's fake news! I never did that, never said that!" (except on the video...

Not political reasons, just personal greed. He was busy being a bean salesman when we needed a president.

If somebody can be vaccinated for a serious communicable disease but refuses, they’re basically telling me that they’re an idiot, and/or they don’t really care about others (despite whatever arguments they may make to the contrary). That isn’t someone I want in my social circle.

If someone has demonstrated that they don’t care whether I live or die, I don’t feel bad for ignoring their phone call at 2 AM.

Yes. All billionaires do this every single day they don't donate the majority of their wealth.

Generous to assume he's that rich.

He could certainly sell his assets if he felt the need. No one has to live in a luxury hotel.

Tell that to the twice impeached former president. He not only put himself up in what he considered luxury, but he also placed the secret service in that same hotel at the tax payers expense while charging extortionate rates, just because he could.

I have doubts that it even approaches 1B if he sells it all. And that is assuming he actually could sell and it's not all tied up in various money juggling maneuvers or solely his (as far as hotels, resorts, etc)

It's not even a debatable point. The fact that it's presented as such is irritating.

Its crazy that he got rid of the folks monitoring for that type of thing in like oct/nov 2019. I mean if you tried to pick a time to fuck us maximally you could not have done better.

He did, and it cost him the election. I know more than a few people who voted for him the first time, but switched to Biden due to Trump's COVID denial.

And just imagine how much of his base died, that would have voted for his reelection!

Can you imagine if he had handled COVID well? He’d still be there! 🙈

This might be a hot take, but I think Trump is too dumb himself to have done this the way the article frames it. He is EMPHATICALLY responsible for the deaths of many, and for varied reasons, but he's simply not intelligent or thoughtful enough to have planned anything further than a few days ahead for political points.

His puppet masters though... different story. I 100% believe that the massive pieces of shit surrounding him manipulated him into doing some truly horrific things that led to more deaths than needed.

You really think a racist/classist turd like Stephen Miller didn't realize that the poor were obviously more at risk of infection and survival, and that the majority of those infected and dying would be in urban areas which largely vote Democrat? That little soulness asshat is probably more culpable for anything truly devious, like the kids in cages thing. He was gleefully laughing when asked about it the first time that was outed.

Pretty obvious Yes to the headline.

Or as Trump said, “it is what it is.”

not as such, but no more than any previous President, and less than some

Foremost the virus was not Trump's fault it came out of Wuhan Lab. To answer the question Trump localized the burden of command to the states. Governors then took executive action. In Michigan Whitmore decided to put infected patients with COVID in nursing homes effectively killing the elderly. Was that Trump's fault?

The pandemic is a convenient culture war battle ground for each side to spite the other. My opinion won't be popular but my life doesn't stop where your fear begins. I completely disregarded all orders and rules then worked as normal. I was the first to demask. You wouldn't believe how many people thanked me as they walked into the store and took off their mask after seeing one man simply dissenting against the bullshit.

Most ppl wore bandanas or surgical masks which were not designed as shields against germs. One was designed so doctors would not spit into patients during surgery. It was never meant to be worn for 8 hours. Now ppl have micro plastics in their lungs. They're certainly not respirators which several liberals tried to convince me they were.

I know the liberals will whine and bitch that the uneducated republicans are killing everyone. But will they call Whitmore out? Will they call out AOC who was dining out in public in Florida and sunbathing on a crowded beach as her constituents were under authoritarian lockdown measures? No.

It's just Trump derangement syndrome and culture war bullshit. Most liberals jabbed from the very vaccine made possible by Warp Speed and Trump's executive action.

I'm not going to say Trump's actions were perfect. Biden and the DNC decried Trump's decision to ban international flights from China and other places as racism during the pandemic.

I'm just sick of the bullshit. It's not all Trumps fault. The democrats had their stinky hands in the COVID deaths too.

You wouldn’t believe how many people thanked me as they walked into the store and took off their mask after seeing one man simply dissenting against the bullshit.

More and more people are saying it, folks

Yes and Biden is doing the same thing by pretending the pandemic is over and even saying he no longer thinks about the pandemic. Its pathetic.

We’re living through a mass disabling event and the leaders are ignoring it. Upwards of 10% of infections causes long covid. People get infected on average 2/3 times a year.

And +90% of those infections are among the unvaccinated that STILL refuse to wear masks. It's nmo one's fault but their own for believing trump and certainly not Bidens's fault.

Y’all are downvoting me because im not kissing Biden’s ass? Trump is a fascist prick who did terrible.

Biden is the current president. Biden hasnt mentioned getting boosters. No one is getting boosters and they arent even updated in time for the new variants. The vaccine efficacy wanes in 6 months. Biden hasn’t mentioned air purifiers, CR Boxes, ventilation, or masks.

Biden is the current leader and is leading the US to reinfections which cause brain damage, organ damage, and disabilities.

https://www.uclahealth.org/news/about-30-covid-patients-develop-long-covid-ucla-research

https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/covid-19-infections-increase-risk-of-long-term-brain-problems/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8871492/

To be fair: most politicians do. I remember the French 2002 presidential elections. Chirac ordered speed traps disabled to get voters. Around 600 people died because of him. Small chance for a presidential mandate.

You shared a single example and then extrapolated that to most. To be fair: that's a bullshit long sword you drew.

Okay, I'll share more: global warming, pollution. Of course there is also war for oil or to get reelected, cuts in social aids and healthcare, homeless people dying in the street. Anyway, you're such a friendly person, have a great day.

If there was a group opposite of Q then it has to be the majority of commenters located right here.

The thing you have in common is believing the most wild, outlandish, baseless conspiracies imaginable.

It would honestly be somewhat impressive if it weren’t so juvenile.

Uhhhhh he was a politician, don’t they all?

The far right wants you to think all politicians are bad to make you stop thinking about politics.

To make you stop thinking about your rights.

To make you stop fighting.

No. Politicians may be selfish but they don’t want their neighbors to drop dead and infect their own family while doing so.

It’s reported that in March 2020 Trump assumed the blue states would get hit the worst and he could do nothing and sit back and criticize them for their failures, but then it spilled over and started devastating his constituents in red states, making him have to backpedal.