Teacher accused of having sex with two students says she ruined her 'dream job' with stupid 'mistakes', jury hears
news.sky.com
Rebecca Joynes allegedly became pregnant after having sex with one of her victims, known as boy B, Manchester Crown Court heard - she denies the allegations against her.
Rebecca Joynes denies having sex with the two boys but admitted, in Manchester Crown Court, to having broken safeguarding rules by being in contact with them on Snapchat and having them back to her apartment in Salford Quays.
The 30-year-old was already suspended from her job and on bail for alleged sexual activity with boy A, 15, when she allegedly took the virginity of a second boy, known as boy B, 16, who she later became pregnant by.
Joynes denies that any sexual activity took place with boy A - whose semen was recovered from her bedsheets.
Notice how it says "having sex with" instead of "raping" because she is a woman.
Yeah as fucked up as it is men cannot be raped by women according to the definition under UK law. That's what I read anyway someone please correct me though because I would love to be wrong here.
It's not the best source obviously, but according to Wikipedia this is incorrect, women can be charged with rape (if I've read this correctly):
The last time I pasted a Wikipedia link on a world news community I was banned, so mods please just delete this comment if I've done something wrong. [Edit] note it was a different world news community, I'm just trying to be extra careful.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_English_law
I honestly think that’s more about ensuring that they can charge trans women with rape (which they obviously should, when relevant). It seems like the thing they’re commenting on is the pronoun, not the noun.
Where I am, penetrating someone with an object counts and they phrase it very differently
It does specify being the penatrator in a different section, I'm no lawmaker though so I'm not sure how the two statements converge.
You might be right about the trans argument.
.ml? The mods there are really ban-happy, especially if you say something counter to tankie orthodoxy and back it up with unassailable logic and/or data lol
Yeah that's the one. I hadn't noticed they were so ban-happy and I did enjoy getting some, definitely not all of them, different takes on world events.
What I really don't like is over policing though as it means you can unintentionally be stuck in a bubble.
Maybe there are stats on the number of bans a community has. That'd be interesting to have an idea of how much a community is policing.
It'd be up near the top for sure! Of the four times total I've been banned on Lemmy,
I cannot officially speak on behalf of any other mods, but I can't imagine any of us deleting a Wikipedia link. Really, any mainstream source is acceptable. If you posted a link to something like womencantrapemen.co.uk, that might be a different issue.
Thanks. yes this was a different world news community. I wasn't saying it was this one that banned me, sorry if that wasn't clear.
I was just adding the disclaimer because I didn't want to get banned from this one too.
I've edited my original comment to try and make it more clear that I'm not referring to this community.
IDK why people hate on Wikipedia links so much. Most wiki pages provide sources at the bottom of the page and are annotated, the [12] at the end.
This was the other world news community which is much more eastern based. I was questioning what somebody had said about a certain subject. Not saying they were wrong. Just asking if everything on the Wikipedia page was nonsense (I used stronger language which I won't make the same mistake of doing here).
For some reason this was justification for a ban. I guess I don't want to be part of a community which is policing itself so much as this will obviously lead to a scewed comment section.
Because a lot of Wikipedia pages can be edited by anyone, sure some are annotated at the end but lots are not as well. Therefore the trust of Wikipedia is in question.
EDIT: you can downvoted all you want but even Wikipedia itself says that everyone can edit the page.
I think Wikipedia is a fine source for general information. It's when you want specifics that you move on. The sources list at the bottom is usually helpful for that.
I disagree, it’s a starting point but it is not trustable source at all. We differ in opinions and that’s alright.
German law is curious (and well-written) in that regard. "rape" is something an offence may be called but it's not a category of offence in itself. There's one single section covering sexual assault in various aggravation stages:
StGB, Section 177:
Note the "at least two years" doesn't inherit the "up to five years" of the previous section and there's even higher minimums for carrying weapons, risk of damage to health, etc.
Only acts involving penetration are considered rape but it doesn't say by who or what, and even if the e.g. forced face-sitting didn't involve penetration it's still going to be on the same aggravation level.
OTOH under German law what she did probably doesn't even begin to be rape it's sexual abuse of persons in one's charge.
Can confirm. It's the same in my British former colony.
Statutory rape does not exist as an offence in English law. The offence is sexual contact with a minor.
The age of consent is 16 but 18 if the older party is in a position of responsibility (like a teacher). So whether or not she had unlawful sexual contact with the second boy would depend on how that law was interpreted, as well as when the first contact took place.
Notice how it says it was consensual and they were at the age of consent?
The defendant, pleading innocence, said that. The case is about sexual activity with children.
Hitman denies being hitman and you believe him, that's your angle? I know you're being intentionally obtuse, but it's clear I was talking about the teenagers, not the woman trying not to be arrested.
She is an authority to them, they are obviously not adults, she invited them to her home, and there is little doubt she had sex with both because one evidently came at least on her bed and the other inside her.
This is sexual abuse. If the sexes were reversed the guy would be scheduled for a life sentence with high probablility of getting shanked every time he encounters another prisoner.
Ohh! It’s just your reading comprehension, not that you’re really suggesting that it’s cool for a teacher to fuck their fifteen year old students and former students. If you care about what the children said, there’s this from the older one:
Age of consent is 18 in the United Kingdom, when the older individual has a duty of care for the younger.
Raping two students.
Cool now give her the same sentence a male teacher should get
Pedophile upset that raping children got her cut off from easy access to a pool of children to rape.
Ephebophile*
A distinction that only matters to people who want to fuck kids.
I think the distinction is important so as not to detract from what is arguably more horrible and worthy of condemnation — pedophilia.
not a drag queen
Just in case someone is uneducated enough to not to understand why grooming is bad, this is what it leads to.
Fucking pedophile
*ephebophile
Of course, it’s all about her, not her victims.
That's because the victims are children, and there are limitations to what you can publish about children in cases like this.
She can express empathy for the victims as well as shame and remorse, without naming them specifically. Apparently, she only regrets the consequences that she, herself, is suffering.
The responsibility to keep the victims’ names obfuscated is that of the publisher(s)/media, not her, and could easily be edited from any statement she made containing them.
Ah, I thought you were referring to the reporting of the article instead of her testimony, my bad.
Oh, my, no. The identities of the victims should certainly be protected. I was just commenting that the teacher appears to have no concern for the impact of her actions upon her victims, only that of the consequences upon herself.
It’s revelatory of her grasp (or lack thereof) of the power dynamic which exists in these situations, and how she doesn’t understand the imbalance— and the impact/consequences on the victims. There’s an element of both narcissism and general sociopathy involved in some types of pederasty and pedophelia.
But there’s a lot that’s unknown about the disorder, and it’s also a field that carries tremendous taboo fin mental health (those who try to treat it and/or research it rather than simply punish it severely meet massive resistance, professional blacklisting, etc.), so learning about it - and how to treat it - progresses slowly. Which is a bad thing, for everyone because ignoring the problem won’t make it vanish. The public just wants to pillory and execute pedophiles, butt that doesn’t help with things like treatment and prevention.
If we want to stop pedophiles - or, better, identify them before they act so they can be treated and victims can never be created - we need to know more than we do now.
Treat paedophiles, execute child molesters seems like a good balance.
Eh, replace death with life-without-parole imprisonment and I'm onboard.
If you think about it, LWP is a far worse fate.
How about we go halves and they get life but in gen pop?
Isn't that just execution by another name?
Rape is not a stupid mistake. It's an intentional action that is immoral and illegal and should be punished as such.
And it’s even less of a mistake when you do it again
How can she possibly deny that when the evidence is undeniable?
Let's hope it's not just her job she ruined but het life too, by going to prison.
Can we face a rule that the country must be in the title if the post?
terfs will claim she technically didn't sexually assault anyone here.
also jk rowling will not mention this
What.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A teacher accused of having sex with two teenage pupils has told a jury she ruined her "dream job" with stupid "mistakes".
Rebecca Joynes denies having sex with the two boys but admitted, in Manchester Crown Court, to having broken safeguarding rules by being in contact with them on Snapchat and having them back to her apartment in Salford Quays.
In court she also maintains that the relationship with boy B only began after he had left school and she had lost her job, so no legal offence was committed.
Mr Allman alleged that both boys were 15 when she began taking them into her flat and she communicated with both on Snapchat - where messages are deleted and not recoverable by police.
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Mr Allman said that Joynes had a supportive family, sister and a best friend back home but instead chose the company of a 15-year-old boy.
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She raped a child and emotionally manipulated them into continuing it after the child attempted to end it. Not nice. Not even close.
You need context from the show to get this meme. This episode is a satire on how women who molest minors are treated differently and how some people are inclined to congratulate the molested instead of seeing them as victims.
It's not nice, and we need to view the attitude of situations like this being "nice" as messed up. Hence the meme.
Yeah that's what that scene from South Park is satirizing if I remember correctly
Like the others said, it's actually a gif from an episode in which this specific double-standard is addressed... through satirical comedy.
The gif is perfect for this post.
Lol I always laugh when people comment on stuff like this with absolutely no idea of the context behind it
WHOOSH
Boy A and Boy B are now the most popular kids in school.
Kid was 2 years older? Totally legal and the top category on every porn site.
Sorry... are you suggesting 16-year-olds doing porn would be acceptable?
The point of having an age of consent (in this case 16 in the UK) is not popularity, and not just parental awareness or protection from people in positions of power.
It's a decision by society that kids below this age are incapable of grasping the full consequences of their consent.
Of course the limit is going to be somewhat arbitrary, and you can definitely argue that age of consent laws are bad without being a creep, but you'd have to argue that a 15 year old understands the ramifications of consent.
It's 16
Corrected.
It's unfair to have a discussion calling names by default. For me, even 18 is not enough to understand the ramifications of consent, but it's too hard to keep 18 year-olds from having as much sex as they desire (some of them do desire a lot). If you start calling me a prude for this, what should I call you from my POV?
Not sure I understand, who is being called names?
And sure, laws like these are always a compromise, with no objectively true answer.
This is why there's so much controversy when these cases happen, it's all down to situation and the persons involved.
15 years old is a freshman in high school. My friends and I had discussed numerous times what hot teachers you'd nail if you had the chance. Sure most of us hadn't gotten further than 2nd base with a girl, but we were absolutely aware of the ramifications of consent and would absolutely take the opportunity if it ever presented itself.
Can't grasp the consequences but def grasped dem titties
I really want to downvote this but I can't bring myself to do it.
Sexual assault can happen to men and boys. Sure, some of them may be "fine" with what happened, but this mentality makes it incredibly difficult for male victims of sexual assault to come forward and get help when they need it. The damage isn't always apparent right away, either.