Donald Trump is barely holding it together at trial — no wonder Republicans are afraid of a debate
Trump tantrumed and even quit a debate with Joe Biden in 2020, but now he's even more emotionally volatile
Donald Trump has tried to taunt President Joe Biden by claiming he's ready for a presidential debate "anytime, anywhere." The gambit left him little choice but to immediately accept when the Biden campaign offered debate dates in June and September, and terms like not having an audience and allowing real journalists to moderate. But within mere hours it became clear that Trump and the rest of the GOP already regretted the decision.
Pretty quickly, Trump tried to change the terms of the debate, pretending that it will be held on Oct. 2 on Fox News. The Biden campaign swiftly rejected this lie, accusing Trump of "playing games," and pointing out that Trump frequently talks big but then ends up "pulling out at the last minute, or not showing up at all."
It's true, of course. Trump has a habit of promising that he'll do bold things and then backing out, whether it's his empty promises to testify at his various trials or his false claims he'll release policy proposals in a week or two. (It's been over a month of silence, for instance, since he promised he would release an abortion platform in "14 days.") In 2020, still burned by his terrible first debate with Biden, Trump refused to show up at the second and held an ego-flattering rally instead.
Trump: My team will play football only if it’s a home game and I get to pick the referees. Also, your team doesn’t get to to play, only my team does. And if you don’t agree then I’m not showing up and your team is to blame.
Also you’re not invited to my birthday party
I read this in the voice of Seth Myers doing Trump.
Or Stephen Colbert doing Trump.
The words are too coherent to hear them as Trump.
Biden should just invite RFK to take Trump's place if he doesn't show up. RFK would then draw from Trump voters, splitting the anti-Biden vote.
If he doesn't show up, Biden should call Trump direct on his cell phone with a spoofed number from one of Trump's associates, and then ask him live on air why he's not at the debate, and offer to have the debate right then and there with Trump on speaker.
If you're gonna be in charge of the USA's intelligence apparatus, and your opponent is okay with weaponizing the power of that exact same apparatus against you when they feel like it, I think you should be allowed to flex with it just a little bit from time to time.
Trump would have Steve chowder moment and hang up immediately.
I want Kendrick Lamar writing the script for that phone call though. He could probably refuse some of the same stuff he wrote about Drake to make it easier.
That’s kind of the best idea out of a horrible situation I’ve heard yet
Idea 💡: Biden tells people he will show up for a speech, with or without Trump present.
Say that Trump will refuse to show up, bc he's too weak and pathetic. Use those exact words.
Trump doesn't show = profit.
Or if Trump does show, doing his usual falling asleep during talky talk, then profit even moar!
Most likely Trump will try to do the identical thing in reverse, but everyone would see that Biden did it first.
Nah he'd get drugs for that. Someone pointed out the Adderall shortage lines up with Trump's sudden constant non ability to stay awake. He might have to resort to cocaine though, so we may get some random rants about wanting to have sex with his daughter again
I encourage everyone to take a look at Fox News's front page when political stories like this hit.
The debate's basically not there, other than the occasional opinion piece about how CNN is too biased to have a fair moderator. Yesterday there was an article where some Trump stooge was saying the debate conditions were designed to make it impossible for Trunk to win.
People who already support Trump get their media from places that will make his skipping this debate into a masterful gambit and a great victory. He won't lose votes over this.
Of course he won't lose votes over this. The guy is a deplorable menace and anyone who still supports him is a lost cause as a human being.
I remember the past debates where trump made a fool of himself like he usually does and the next day, conservative opinion stations declared that trump won the debate for absolutely no reason instead of telling the truth.
The conservative propaganda machine has done immense damage to this country and they're still attacking it on a daily basis without anyone stopping them. Nothing will get better until the misinformation machine is stopped and Americans start getting factual news again.
What an interesting observation. I can see Trump closing his eyes to pretend that he’s not in a courtroom facing the consequences of his actions. After all, the man has never been held accountable for anything in his life. Now that he’s forced to sit down and shut his fucking mouth, he closes his eyes to shut out the world which eventually leads him to falling asleep. And this is the ALPHA male MAGATs worship.
If by alpha you mean a broken, unstable mess unsuitable for production, then yes, Trump is an alpha.
As an person who takes medication for ADD, wonder if it's cause he's not taking them these days (least as much as he used to) he's pretty much confirmed taking them and before I knew I had it I'd knod off in meetings, much as I tried not to. Mostly get to two the head knod stage and jerk more awake.
Also I'd knod off on car rides even while on work trips, they were longer and boring, like a couple hours. For those that may think they have it as well but may need further proof of signs, those were some signs to it previously that I didn't know. Before reading up on it I had no idea getting sleepy in certain situations was a flag for it.
Of course if I've misread these signs in articles incorrectly please correct me in comments, I don't want to give false information, I just sort of take my meds and deal with it these days.
Are you also in your late 70s?
I think this is vastly understating how prominently placed is total transparent bullshit, in the Trump mental model, and how willing his followers are to it
He can simply pretend that October 2nd is the real debate, and Biden is the one trying to back out because he’s too old and scared to debate Trump. If his followers also watched news with some connection to reality, and cross checked Trump’s pretenses against it, then they’d see the lie, but they don’t and they won’t.
Nah, that doesn't give Trump any advantage. He can just go on Fox any time he wants and have a "pretend debate" with no one. There are still rules to the reality Trump supporters have in their heads.
Basically, Trump supporters want to see him as better than someone else. So that other person has to play along. If you notice, the Republicans who support Trump have to pretend that he's better than them when they give speeches. It's just a modern monarchy (a conservative form of government).
Biden doesn't play along, so he actually doesn't look weak. Trump was begging for a debate and was ignored (looks weak). Biden said "let's debate" and Trump accepted. No one ever accepted Trump's debate on Fox, so rejecting it actually makes Biden look more powerful.
Pretty sure what the guy above is saying is that no one (on the right) cares about what was accepted. He's saying Trump can just say it was Oct 2 and everyone will eat it up. And if Biden doesn't show up, Trump will say "Biden weak" and everyone will eat it up. No one (on the right) will care that Trump just made up a new date and terms.
Mmmmmmmm . . . are there?
Yesssssss. It's about looking powerful. These are people who drive big trucks and don't use them. A powerful image is important to them.
They value hierarchy and rules that don't apply to them. Without anyone who plays along, they don't feel good. They need someone to be upset at their giant Trump flag or there's no point to it.
Completely agree.
I mean are they though?
Recent NYT poll had Trump leading in the several battleground states and let's fucking face it, the American voting populace is dumb AF.
A bad performance from Trump I don't think will do much of anything because Americans are just too stupid to remember or care.
NYT is carrying enough water for Trump they may as well be an aqua duct. Mean the polls may be accurate but it's hard to believe much of what they put out between Biden and Trump. I'm sure I could read the methods but I rarely get to read NYT due to paywall.
The article makes a pretty convincing argument that the right wing spin sphere is already out in full force trying to downplay the debates.
Has the election campaign started off yet though?
Not saying you're wrong btw :-p
Does anyone think auto cut off of the mic is warranted? "You have 60 seconds and then the mic cuts off".
Absolutely. Did you see the last Biden Trump debate?
“Aw just shut up, man”
That was one of the conditions of these debates.
If one of these debates actually happens, I may try turning it into a drinking game, taking a shot every time one of them gets cut off.
Alcohol poisoning sounds like a more fun way to die than whatever is in store for me from another Trump presidency.
Have you watched any of the presidential debates in the last decade or two? How is this even a question at this point?
I won't watch any more debates until they do this.
I am really hoping a solid heat wave this summer takes down the presidential ticket.
Good god. Both of them? What a glorious thought... but what a shitshow that would follow.
As much as I want to watch him fail in a debate, I feel like the MAGA group will double down, and just love him even more.
It's not the maga group Biden needs to convince. Doubling down when they're already all in doesn't mean much.
He's trying to win an election so it's the various "I don't want to vote for Biden so I'll vote for trump or not vote" in swing states people he needs to be moving. To those people, Trump trying to go on an unhinged Twitter tirade at a debate could be persuasive. At least that's what a lot of Dems, and according to this GOP, think is going to happen.
Aren't they wearing diapers in solidarity with Ronald McDonald?
Doesnt really matter how bad he gets, his magats are still gonna worship him
Don’t forget ‘anyplace’ too!
See you on the surface of the Sun 😎
I wonder if there's beer on the Sun...
Totally, I have a mid August trip planned, but something came up. I'll sell you my ticket for half the price, £5000, it's all inclusive though, so you don't have to pay for anything once you're there.
That’s being moved to earth, iirc. Or at least, we’re getting rid of the woke cloak that used to filter out a lot more than it does now.
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Same . . . ?
The link in this post seems to get to Trump's brain for some reason...
Offering Donald Trump a stage is one of the most consistently idiotic thing Democrats do.
He's still playing a different game than you are D's.
Uh.. there's a lot of people looking forward to the debate between Trump and Biden, however some of us find it unfair that RFK Jr. isn't involved.
I don't care if RFK Jr. is in the debate or not. But any left leaning person actually entertaining voting for that moron is as bad as a Trump voter. It amounts to the same thing anyway.
I'm only saying it's unfair because it appears he's being blocked.
CNN already put out the conditions required for him to be part of the debate. Needs to get 15% in 4 high quality national polls and be on the ballot in enough places to be able to get elected.
15% is a pretty low bar in a winner take all election, and being able to possibly win seems like a reasonable standard if the goal is to have a real debate. In that case I would include the top 5 polling candidates, no matter how low their percentage is. That way there is a chance for sokething to be important other than the talking points of the two major parties.
I don't think it would be better, but then again the 'debates' are pointless any as they are just another place to spout campain slogans, and no actual debate occurs.
It doesn't matter how high they are polling if they aren't on the ballot in enough states to win.
Kennedy, Stein, and West COMBINED aren't on the ballot in enough states to win.
Out of curiosity, why does a news media outlet have the rights or the authority to set conditions? Is it just because they're hosting the debate? That's my assumption.
Yes, they "have the authority" because Biden and Trump agreed to have them host the debate. RFK Jr. (big emphasis on Junior) is intentionally excluded because he's nuts, and that's before the brainworms.
There's a person for the democrats, there's one for the republicans. Due to the voting system only two parties matter. Why invite someone else? Doesn't make sense. Don't get why you make that as blocking.
On October 9, 2023, RFK Jr. said that he would run as an independent candidate. Technically if he's independent, he too should be on the stage.
Don't get it mixed up, I'm not vouching for RFK Jr., I just believe in what's fair. But you're right, the U.S. seems to be a two party system, so they make the rules.
If you let every independent unaffiliated unnominated person running for president on stage it would be chaos. There have to be barriers to entry for it to be anything but.
Saying you're running isn't enough, you have to be on the ballot and RFK isn't on the ballot in enough states to win.
True.
Are you not from the US? It’s pretty standardized, but not necessarily in a good way, from much of the world.
RFK Jr. isn't on the ballot in enough states to be considered a serious candidate.
He's on the ballot in Michigan (15), Oklahoma (7), and Utah (6). Total of 28 electoral college votes, far short of the 270 needed, even if he won all three (which he won't.)
He CLAIMS he has enough support to get on the ballot in 10 more, however this is unproven and he's still not on the ballot here:
California (54), Nevada (6), Idaho (4), Texas (40), Nebraska (5), Iowa (6), Ohio (17), North Carolina (16), Delaware (3), and New Hampshire (4), however all of those are unconfirmed.
https://elections2024.thehill.com/
Even if all of that is correct, and he won all of them, it would still only be 183 electoral college votes, 87 short of what's required to be President.
Debates are for actual Presidential candidates.
Thanks for your response, that makes sense.
Brain worms can't debate if they're dead