Louisiana public schools now required to display 'In God We Trust' in all classrooms
cnn.com
The bill’s author, state Rep. Dodie Horton, said to CNN affiliate WVUE, “It doesn’t preach any particular religion at all, but it certainly does recognize a higher power.”
Satanists, do your thing! I fucking hate these attempts to make the US a christofascist country. I wonder if there will be arguments about whether Trump, DeSantis and their ilk were Christians in 80 years.
As a Satanist, I would love to challenge this, but this one is unfortunately much more difficult to challenge than, say, the 10 Commandments because Christians managed to fuck up our national motto. And all this law is doing is requiring teachers to put our national motto up in classrooms.
It's crazy because the first amendment literally says that there should be no national religion, yet it's acceptable that "in god we trust" because it's not a specific religion. That's just such a bad faith interpretation of the law. Plus it's always the "constitutionalists" who are pushing this kind of shit, which I guess is the kind of hypocrisy we've all come to expect from them.
It shows a bias to monotheistic religions. I don't understand how that's justifiably neutral enough.
Sadly, the Supreme Court came up wit the bullshit idea of ceremonial deism and here we are.
In Satan we trust!
Social studies teacher here. Aside from the obvious church/state problems with this, there might be an easy way around it for teachers: put up a poster with a dollar bill on it. Less conspicuous, still follows the letter of the shitty law.
Could they not also put up multiple banners stating "in [yet another diety] we trust" and continue with "in [notable scholar] we trust" etc... Dilute the message intended by the law?
I like it. Surround it with "In bigfoot we trust", "in the tooth fairy we trust"
'In God we trust', followed by 'In God we trust' in Arabic. 😆
Oh please hang it up and make it say "in Allah we trust". Anti discrimination and shit.
some people say
in god we trust
with knowledge, trust is not necessary: you know
Give kids extra credit formless defacing it. “In God We
trustThrust” and then send the bill for constant replacing of said signage to the state.Just hang it up in Arabic.
I like your thinking
I've been teaching for almost 20 years at this point. Malicious compliance has a better chance of working than arguing with people who either don't have the power or the will to change anything or stand up for what is right.
This is the truth of it. You can kill yourself trying to directly fight a system, when a simple dollar bill would suffice in this case.
Pretty sure the law specifies minimum size of the poster and states that the motto must be the focus of the poster...
I think multiple signs from many deities might be nice. Especially the flying spaghetti monster.
I'm all for people's religious freedoms but this kind of BS is a huge problem. They act like we are requiring the LGBTQ flag in every classroom and respond by doing the exact thing they accuse others of doing.
This is one of the hallmarks of fascist movements. Accuse your opponent of what you yourself are doing as a justification for your own bad actions. It's straight out of the Joseph Goebbels playbook. The republicans have been using it successfully for at least 30 years now, but we're going to see it used more and more blatantly as the GOP becomes more and more openly fascist.
This is the opposite of religious freedom since it imposes one religion unto everyone else.
Yes that's what I was implying.
It imposes nothing, it's just a national motto that is currently used as a trigger against the left.
"E pluribus unum", that's the national motto. "In god we trust" is only on the money because of evangelicals doing this exact same kind of thing in the 50's.
No, "In God We Trust" is a national motto since the 50's. It was also used as a (political) motto since the Civil War.
Edit: Downvotes despite being a fact as verifiable through Wikipedia, etc.
Actual US motto is 'Fuck you, got mine'.
Oh shit, I had to scroll this far to find the truest statement. I love this. You are clearly correct.
Yes it's "officially" the national motto, but “E pluribus unum” has been the de facto motto since 1776. Like I said, “In god we trust” is only on the money because of evangelicals doing this exact same kind of thing in the 50’s.
Please post a link. I shouldn't have to find your supporting evidence myself.
How do you think a Hindu feels about that motto? In the so-called land of the free?
A Hindu shouldn't feel bad because the motto was established back when most of the people in US were christians. You know, motto's, flags, and things alike tend to become outdated but are part of a tradition and as such still used.
Are you aware the motto wasn't established until 1956? It's not like it has some deep rooted history. Fundamentalists took over the government and put it into place relatively recently.
I know, but it's been, what, almost 70 years... Why change it now? I don't think anyone from a non-christian religion is offended by it, right? Although, true, reverting to a previous motto would please everyone I suppose...
I mean...what's 70 years of precedence...it's not like Roe v. Wade or anything?
So, you're saying the motto shouldn't be changed? :) As for RvW, as unbelivably as it might seem, I didn't follow that one so I can't take a position because I am not informed enough.
I'm certainly offended on behalf of all non-religious parents. I don't even have kids.
Most people in the U.S. are still Christians. What difference does that make? Congress is not supposed to establish religion. It's right there in the first amendment. If you declare a single god, you are establishing a religion and excluding citizens that don't believe- Hindus, Buddhists and atheists to name three.
Would you be okay with the motto of it was "Trust in Jesus?"
As far as I know, Supreme Court ruled that it does not establish religion. I'd say the same if most of the country was Hindu and it referenced their deity. It's a fucking motto and most motto's are outdated and show some cultural reference to the people long gone.
Yes, I know what they ruled. Do you think every Supreme Court ruling is correct? Dred Scott v. Sandford was the proper decision?
I mean, you said that most of the country is still christian? So, in a democratic society which is mostly christian there is a motto that references times when even more of the country was christian and the soul of the country was mostly christian?
Yeah, a huge problem.
Again- First Amendment. No establishment of religion. How is this so hard for you?
But it does not establish a any religion as a country's official religion. It's a remnant of past times.
The Constitution doesn't say anything about establishing religion as the country's official religion.
There's a reason teachers aren't allowed to lead school prayers from any religion and it has nothing to do with what the official religion of the nation is or is not.
Alright. Then why is it the national motto? What does the phrase mean? Why God? Why one god?
It meant something and it still partially does for a big part of the country. Also, it's part of tradition and a phrase that US is recognizable across the globe. Nothing wrong with it unless you hate faith/catholicism. Currently, it's being used to provoke the left and people shouldn't fall for that provocation. Other countries and regions also have some historical motto's that partially or fully lost their meaning through time, but are part of a tradition and recognizability.
If you argue it's tradition, it's a relatively recent one what was created during the cold war and the last time we had a red scare. The same time they added "one nation, under god" to the pledge of allegiance.
If you want to talk about using the traditional national motto. It was "e pluribus unum" and was established during the birth of the nation.
It's bullshit, and why people don't like it, is that like much of what the GOP is doing is a slow burn. They are actively working to push their flawed Christian beliefs through at every stage. And even worse, they keep doing it in schools to influence children.
You actually changed my postion on this. "If you want to talk about using the traditional national motto. It was “e pluribus unum” and was established during the birth of the nation." - I agree and it seems reasonable.
Although, I still don't see a problem with "In God We Trust" (because of the reasons I wrote before) as it's a part of the tradition now and something that almost everyone associates with the US.
As for the influence in schools - both sides are doing that. Sadly, all that political bullshit breaks over children's back.
"Both sides!"
It was adopted as motto in the 50s. It's not some historical relic we need to be stuck with. Hell, both Trump and Biden are older than the motto. Just change it back to E Pluribus Unum.
Don't think so. It tells everyone not believing in God that they don't belong to "we".
Well I guess I, and the other people not part of the Christian "we" should just make own "we". With blackjack. And hookers.
It’s all projection.
Every thing they say, somewhere one of them is doing it.
Satan is not God though is he/it? So they are discriminating. It has to be challenged by those legends at the church of satan.
The Satanic Temple is who you're probably thinking of because the Church of Satan doesn't do much of anything except post snarky things on X and whine about how TST isn't real Satanism and how TST shouldn't be engaging in political action.
Haha. Right you are.
Not only that, but what if I observe more then one god huh?
Would she be just as ambivalent if it was “In Allah we trust”?
Separation of church and state and all of that...
The SCOTUS has ruled that the phrase "In God We Trust" is not a religious statement, because the SCOTUS is a joke. That wasn't even this SCOTUS.
As long as it's only in Arabic, I'm cool with it.
Watching all those fucking hypocrites melt the fuck down would almost be worth the chaos. :D
aka fuck atheists
Freedom of religion includes freedom from religion dumbass.
Yup. Also the largest growing philosophy, for lack of a better word, in the US. Also the one that’s most dangerous because we’re okay with ignoring their brimstone and hellfire.
It doesn’t say where it has to be displayed. Laminate that shit and put it on the floor so it can be stepped on every day.
R.I.P. Douglas Adams.
“make sure you wipe your feet kids!”
This is the way
Your mission if you choose to accept it. Switch the ‘G’ and the ‘d’ so it says ‘ In doG We Trust. Thereby altering the meaning completely. Sit back smoke a joint and watch the chaos ensue
Just add a h to trust.
Trusth?
In dog we thrust? 🤨📷
Hurray for regression!
In which of my gods am I supposed to trust?
How is this even legal?
Those pieces of shit, displaying official US motto that is used since Civil War! It's just not right...
You are thinking of "E pluribus unum" , which was our original motto from the civil war until the whole communist scare in the 50s. So.....
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dub is clearly replying to this aspect of your comment. The In God shit was signed by Eisenhower, a century after the Civil War.
The In God We Trust and E. Pluribus Unum phrases were BOTH seen and used in the the late 1800s, both in an unofficial manner. HOWEVER, E Pluribus appeared in the Great Seal of the US in the late 1700s, much earlier than the latter phrase.
Neither was official, but if you're going to pick a "de facto" motto, E. Pluribus Unum was the oldest and most used. Linking to more of your factually incorrect comments is about as useful to this thread as the guy shouting nonsense at the clouds by my office.
As you've already been told, only since the 1950s, and it's fucking discriminatory, so yes, they're pieces of shit.
It's just been since the cold war though. It was used to put emphasis on the religious righteousness of the US versus the Godless culture of the communists.