Third day of bomb threats inspired by Trump lies sends Springfield hospitals into lockdown

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The threats, which already closed government offices and caused school evacuations, come as Trump pushes racist lie

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So terrorism..

No, no, no, no, it’s only terrorism if the perpetrators are brown. If they’re white republicans it’s just a little prankarooni!

If they’re white republicans it’s just a little prankarooni! they're called freedom™️ fighters!

This is unironically what most of them believe they are.

Bruh, prankaroon is not the preferred nomenclature.

Violence or the threat of violence by non state actors. Yup, fits perfectly.

They wear their title proudly. Openly admit it in the streets.

And yet for some reason, are allowed to continue to operate freely.

Our country goes to war for less.

Edit: A friend of mine got this shoved in their mailbox today

Totally not domestic terrorists...

Our country goes to war for less.

Against brown people.

When was the last time the US bombed a white country?

Yugoslavia 1999

If you'll forgive me for taking an opportunity to rant a bit, I once saw a hexbear saying Bernie was terrible because he voted to "carpet bomb" Yugoslavia. Besides the fact that carpet bombing by air isn't how things work anymore, this is one of the least objectionable things the US military has done post-cold war.

Can you provide a list of “white countries”?

"beasts of the field"... What is this? Reads like some Klan shit.

A few sentences later. Oh.

Jesus, is this real??

Yup

I don't see anything in that link confirming that this is real. It talks about a thing from 2 years ago.

I mean, if you're just trying to say they're proud pieces of shit, that's known. But not what they asked.

I saw Hasan Piker share that KKK flyer yesterday on his stream. It's fucking disgusting, with the font and everything.

I was apprehensive about using the term Nazi to describe conservatives because I didn't want to group them all under that banner, but there's no hiding it anymore. I'm going to use this language around my friends and family until and after the election in hopes of setting there minds straight. We are literally watching the coming of the Fourth Reich. Fuck

10 years ago, this would have looked like something out of a dystopian movie.

If it was in their mailbox and had no postage, report it to your post office. That's illegal and the postmaster can hit them up for postage due.

I doubt it will happen, but it would be poetic justice if so many people get pissed over this that Trump loses Ohio.

Current model from Silver and the polls raw data averages say it’s not even close. Trump will win the state by a 97.6% to 2.4% spread.

Because so many of you cannot understand modeling vs polling averages… that is the likelihood of a win as a result of taking poll inputs through Silver’s model, reflecting overall chances of a win as a output.

It is NOT polling average percentages.

Doubt

If it starts to make his numbers dip it could trigger them to divert more money to Ohio it hadn't previously meant to. Could have a broader effect.

In the latest version I found of Nate Silver's model (not 538), he has Ohio coming in at 52.4% for Trump and 43.6% for Harris, an 8.8% spread. I did not dig deeper to find the dates or particular polls from Ohio he's basing that on.

However, based on these numbers, he is likely modelling that Trump wins Ohio in 90%+ of outcomes to Harris's <5% of outcomes.

This is the same way he spoke to his model in previous elections. It wasn't that Hillary was expected to win 80-90% of the popular vote or electoral college just weeks before the 2016 election, it was that his model had her winning that percentage of the outcomes when he ran the model.

The numbers I gave are the model outputs for the state as of yesterday off his subscriber based model talk page.

So no.

Of course these are the likelihood of a win and not polling differences. That’s why I said model output, not a poll aggregate.

An 8 point spread in a state for polling averages is incredibly large. For reference Ohio is as deeply spread red in polling averages as Nee Jersey is blue. You think New Jersey votes red this year in any reasonable reality? No.

For an even more crazy but accurate comparison: Alaska has the same mid point statistical odds of going red as Ohio, but its error bars are more than double Ohio. Meaning? There is an incredibly slim but massively more possible chance Alaska goes blue than Ohio.

Unfortunately that's not usually the first impact of terrorism. Support for them will rise until they do something stupid, pointless, and tragic. Unfortunately by that time there's thousands of people deep in the ideology in an area and it requires military action to clean up. Telling that something is wrong and we're all hurting brings people in. Killing innocent people drives people away. It's why David Duke is all rhetoric and little action. He can publicly sever himself and the movement from people who do take action while influencing them to do so and advancing his political position.

He needs to be held responsible, but no one has the balls to do it. This is how he’s been allowed to get where he is.

The US has always had domestic terrorism sure, but you can't tell me we didn't legitimately become a straight up terror state once Trump stochastically sent his goons to do his bidding. Courts are citing the pressure these people are causing in their rulings and handlings of Trump, which means the terrorism is working to alter the rule of law. Since the US law system is based heavily on precedent, there's a good chance this alteration of the law will extend beyond just for Trump. All it takes is the right (or wrong depending on your perspective) judge and enough money for a damn good lawyer.

Insert Reagan "we don't negotiate with terrorists" while negotiating with terrorists

By negotiate, you mean work hand in hand with them.

He was also wrong even in general. Negotiators are trained specifically because you do negotiate with terrorists. Not to give into their big demands, of course, but to try to end the situation with minimal bloodshed, especially to hostages and bystanders.

"We agree to pull back the perimeter by 15 feet. As a gesture of good faith, could you release three of the hostages? You'll still have five more." Or "Let's do the exchange this way" which will just so happen to perfectly line up all the terrorists to give snipers a clear shot. That sort of thing.

Malcolm X had many supporters. He was held responsible when just a handful of them committed 'terrorist' acts.

Malcolm wasn't innocent in that respect, but far more so than Trump.

So let's entertain the eating of pets thing was real (it's not)... How do these help with that? In what way is disrupting hospitals obviously leading to patient care declining not 10000% worse than, eating a duck or cat or whatever...?

Fuck sake.

For these people the point is clearly not about making anything "better" for anybody other than one orange traitor.

For sure but I'll sure as shit pocket this for a discussion with swing voters and the apathetic.

And elementary schools! Don't forget elementary schools.

Something something think of the children! calls in bomb threat

Every hour they are waiting at home for the school to blow up is an hour they aren't having their genitals surgically exchanged at school.

Remember that politics is 98% showmanship bullshit. Substance matters not.

Proud Boys and KKK have showed up. No good will come of this.

Genuine question: what's the success rate of catching and prosecuting people who make these kinds of threats?

I'm guessing it's either nearly 100% or depressingly low but nowhere in between.

Much lower if you're a right wing domestic terrorist like these fucks, that's for sure.

Those who work forces...

I'd wager a lot of these people are indeed going to be caught because many are Trump cultists without the slightest clue what words like 'opsec' and 'comsec' mean. I think the real danger is the already militarized groups like the proud boys and three percenters using the chaos to sneak in their own bullshit. Essentially thanks to Trump riling up his base it's like a DDOS attack but with terrorists eating up the investigators man-hours instead of a barrage of requests consuming data capacity.

Yup, this is a pretty well-known tactic, sadly. It's effectively just paper terrorism - instead of doing the harder work of getting people incited to ACTUALLY kill people or do violence, you get them to do minor shit instead; bomb threats, assaults, etc, and use that as a smokescreen for the people who were already planning to do violence to go do violence effectively unchallenged.

It's so nice to get a rerun of the Nazis for those that missed it the first time round.

How is disrupting a hospital even relevant? So everyone having babies, heart attacks, strokes, perforated bowels from diverticulitis, kids and adults needing appendix removal, car accident victims (like that school bus), and so much more can’t get care or receive delayed care?

How does that help anything?

Well, they also aren't performing sex change operations on kindergartners. I mean, all those other things are important, to be sure. But we need to prioritize, don't we?

Terrorist and chief. We have so many more wonderful things to look forward to. The MAGA cult is terrible.

I wish I could say that once the election is over, all this shit will just fade into the rearview.
Jan 6th 2021 however tells us otherwise.

I fear the coming months.