Right-wingers reach for these religious or moralistic justifications and laws, but Putin is probably just noticing, like many other countries, that their economy is screwed if their birth rates continue to decline. And yet the planet is screwed if we continue to increase. As climate change eats away at the habitable areas of the planet, the obvious thing is for habitable countries with declining birth rates to accept many immigrants from places climate causes people to flee from. This will help those people and help the receiving country's economy. Unfortunately the right wing is also too wrapped up in xenophobia to accept this solution. They'd rather double down on controlling women.
I recently heard a “housing expert” say that cities have to keep growing, there’s no sustainable static level of population, and I thought “there’s better be or we’re all fucked.”
The problem with capitalism is that it only works if there’s perpetual growth, which (as many before me have pointed out) is the logic of cancer.
Tbf, people moving from rural areas to more dense and urban areas is kind of inevitable as time goes on. Megacities when?
And why is that “inevitable?” Is it because capitalism makes agrarian life basically impossible?
The problem with studies based on any current trends is that they are all framed with the assumption that capitalism will continue to be the dominant socioeconomic system.
Currently the earth is overpopulated and many parts of the world are only just starting to slow their population growth. The problem of crowding is going to be here for awhile. Eventually it would be great if we could reduce our population to the point where there's plenty of space for all, if that sounds utopian to you, but for the time being we're going to have to live in denser areas if we want to deliver amenities and services to all (and we do).
Dense and (I guess I should have said or) urban areas. If these people are moving to the outskirts of metro areas, they're creating a dense, if not urban, community.
You are wasting you time with this person. They have already decided and nothing you post will be good enough. Anyone can see the population is way too high and further growth is dangerous for us all. Anyone who can't see it doesn't want too.
Hey, everyone deserves two or three back and forths before I write them off as not really wanting to have a debate on a thing
Let's send young men to die in Ukraine then I guess, IDK...
Economies are only screwed with declining birthrate if the goal is unlimited growth. What will happen if the trend continues is stability. Stability is bad for empire building types. It leaves less room for manipulation.
In any country with public healthcare, there is a problem with how to afford to care for the elderly when the population contains more elderly people needing expensive healthcare than working people paying the taxes that fund it. This seems like a problem that extends beyond capitalism's growth-seeking. It's an issue of how to achieve stability.
That is the hole you dig with the myth of unlimited growth. No doubt the correction will be somewhat uncomfortable.
New ones are born every day, as the "women's purpose" dictates. I wish it was a generation thing, but I'm afraid it's ingrained on a deeper level.
If you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself.
Who said it? Putin or JD
Yes
You leave Newbie outta this, he's a beloved Doctor!
Oh, Bambi.
"Putin's purpose is to lick my dog's butthole" - me
Contrary to popular belief, you are actually factually spot on. It is all described in detail in soviet-era files, locked away.
Even JD Vance confirms this, ans I challenge FSB to release any documentation that disputes it.
What if I dress up like Putin?
No wonder Republicans love this asswipe...
Putin is now leading polls in the south.
If Putin is doing it, then Republicans are not far behind. Look for that bill that taxes single people way more.
Vance is already talking about it.
Russia took a more original turn: as the key interest rate approached 20% APY, legislation was implemented to subsidize mortgage to people with kids (6% APY).
With rent prices soaring along (up to 75% in some places, about 40% on average year on year), housing market simply prices out everyone without kids, making living conditions way worse.
sure. in putins russia. just like a mans is to die after insemination in the military.
No, it's just to die in the military.
The government bureaucrats will do the hard work of inseminating their daughters for them, to serve the state.
Russian men are being inseminated in the military?
of course. its lonely in the front.
Rape is rampant in Russian military and prisons.
There’s this shit, and there’s people right here on lemmy that worship the ground this piece of human filth walks on.
I don't think you should take the words of paid actors seriously in that context
Oh I don’t. But the fact that there are people here that will, does concern me.
Where? I have never seen this...
People will probably say hexbear or .ml, but I've been browsing hexbear lately and haven't seen any of that. In fact today I saw a post bringing attention to this particular topic (Russian gvt cracking down against "childfree lifestyle")
I thought a woman's purpose is to seize the means of production, just like a mans?
If you're saying this ironically because you think Putin is a communist, you're extremely misguided about the current political situation in Russia.
If you're endorsing communism, based
But what do you do with them after you've seized them? Do you still have a purpose in life? 🤭
"you will make us more wage slaves or you will be jailed"
Ohh, my wife's ex said the exact same thing to me whilst they were still married. He's also Russian and loves Putin.
I wonder why she's his ex now 🤔
"and a man must fuck around and find out" - also Putin
Anyone who can look at a human being and say "this is what your just do no matter what because of what parts you have and nothing else" doesn't see others as full people.
He really is running low on soldiers, isn't he?
If what he says is true men have no purpose
They may offer their seed. So, women should have the control...oh I get it...
Gross
Putin’s job is to bounce on my dick.
Fuckin shorty mktherfjcker im so sick of that twerp and everyone who thinks like him
Pooty poot knows how bad off russia really is. The population has taken several generational hits in the last hundred years and he just delivered another. To him women are nothing but things and those things better be producing male cannon fodder.
*mans purpose is to procreate
I wonder if Putin's plan to ban talking about childless lifestyle and saying this will work? Russias are not as traditional as people make it out to be, especially those in the cities. He will just rile up many folks.
No, that's a woman's specialty.
And God said it should be painful! That's what you get for wanting to know stuff!
Can't wait for Putins youtube. He's got some killer tips on how to pick up women.
If you're going to assign purpose of a thing, you gotta also be claiming that you own that thing in some capacity. Otherwise it's not yours to purpose. So, it seems Putin is in favor of property. Bad communist!
All living things purpose is to reproduce, that being said, If your leader tries to restrict your freedom’s to your most basic instinct you can probably find a better value with someone else.
I mean, inherently there is zero purpose to anything.
Incorrect, you can purposely build things, you can build a birdhouse for the purpose of housing birds, a factory can build a car for the purpose of driving and cells can build a human for the purpose of reproduction.
All Most living things have the option to reproduce.
It doesn't matter. If a living thing "chooses" not to reproduce, it will not pass on its genes, and that decision was detrimental to the species. As such, it no longer exists. This could still be considered a choice, just a flawed one. However, this has taken place trillions of times throughout history, and anything that made that choice was weeded out. You might not understand your purpose, and you might die before fulfilling it, but make no mistake: you have a deep evolutionary instinct to prioritize reproduction over anything else. Everything else consists of instrumental goals that emerge from the primary goal of reproduction. It is literally mathematically, scientifically, psychologically, sociologically, experimentally, and simulatively PROVEN—to the extent science can prove anything and even further thanks to mathematics.
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When will these people just die already?!
Right-wingers reach for these religious or moralistic justifications and laws, but Putin is probably just noticing, like many other countries, that their economy is screwed if their birth rates continue to decline. And yet the planet is screwed if we continue to increase. As climate change eats away at the habitable areas of the planet, the obvious thing is for habitable countries with declining birth rates to accept many immigrants from places climate causes people to flee from. This will help those people and help the receiving country's economy. Unfortunately the right wing is also too wrapped up in xenophobia to accept this solution. They'd rather double down on controlling women.
I recently heard a “housing expert” say that cities have to keep growing, there’s no sustainable static level of population, and I thought “there’s better be or we’re all fucked.”
The problem with capitalism is that it only works if there’s perpetual growth, which (as many before me have pointed out) is the logic of cancer.
Tbf, people moving from rural areas to more dense and urban areas is kind of inevitable as time goes on. Megacities when?
And why is that “inevitable?” Is it because capitalism makes agrarian life basically impossible?
The problem with studies based on any current trends is that they are all framed with the assumption that capitalism will continue to be the dominant socioeconomic system.
Currently the earth is overpopulated and many parts of the world are only just starting to slow their population growth. The problem of crowding is going to be here for awhile. Eventually it would be great if we could reduce our population to the point where there's plenty of space for all, if that sounds utopian to you, but for the time being we're going to have to live in denser areas if we want to deliver amenities and services to all (and we do).
(Citation needed)
https://www.un.org/development/desa/en/news/population/2018-revision-of-world-urbanization-prospects.html
Your data is pre covid.
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2024/05/exurbs-city-population.html
Dense and (I guess I should have said or) urban areas. If these people are moving to the outskirts of metro areas, they're creating a dense, if not urban, community.
You are wasting you time with this person. They have already decided and nothing you post will be good enough. Anyone can see the population is way too high and further growth is dangerous for us all. Anyone who can't see it doesn't want too.
Hey, everyone deserves two or three back and forths before I write them off as not really wanting to have a debate on a thing
Let's send young men to die in Ukraine then I guess, IDK...
Economies are only screwed with declining birthrate if the goal is unlimited growth. What will happen if the trend continues is stability. Stability is bad for empire building types. It leaves less room for manipulation.
In any country with public healthcare, there is a problem with how to afford to care for the elderly when the population contains more elderly people needing expensive healthcare than working people paying the taxes that fund it. This seems like a problem that extends beyond capitalism's growth-seeking. It's an issue of how to achieve stability.
That is the hole you dig with the myth of unlimited growth. No doubt the correction will be somewhat uncomfortable.
New ones are born every day, as the "women's purpose" dictates. I wish it was a generation thing, but I'm afraid it's ingrained on a deeper level.
If you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself.
Who said it? Putin or JD
Yes
You leave Newbie outta this, he's a beloved Doctor!
Oh, Bambi.
"Putin's purpose is to lick my dog's butthole" - me
Contrary to popular belief, you are actually factually spot on. It is all described in detail in soviet-era files, locked away.
Even JD Vance confirms this, ans I challenge FSB to release any documentation that disputes it.
What if I dress up like Putin?
No wonder Republicans love this asswipe...
Putin is now leading polls in the south.
If Putin is doing it, then Republicans are not far behind. Look for that bill that taxes single people way more.
Vance is already talking about it.
Russia took a more original turn: as the key interest rate approached 20% APY, legislation was implemented to subsidize mortgage to people with kids (6% APY).
With rent prices soaring along (up to 75% in some places, about 40% on average year on year), housing market simply prices out everyone without kids, making living conditions way worse.
sure. in putins russia. just like a mans is to die after insemination in the military.
No, it's just to die in the military.
The government bureaucrats will do the hard work of inseminating their daughters for them, to serve the state.
Russian men are being inseminated in the military?
of course. its lonely in the front.
Rape is rampant in Russian military and prisons.
There’s this shit, and there’s people right here on lemmy that worship the ground this piece of human filth walks on.
I don't think you should take the words of paid actors seriously in that context
Oh I don’t. But the fact that there are people here that will, does concern me.
Where? I have never seen this...
People will probably say hexbear or .ml, but I've been browsing hexbear lately and haven't seen any of that. In fact today I saw a post bringing attention to this particular topic (Russian gvt cracking down against "childfree lifestyle")
I thought a woman's purpose is to seize the means of production, just like a mans?
If you're saying this ironically because you think Putin is a communist, you're extremely misguided about the current political situation in Russia.
If you're endorsing communism, based
But what do you do with them after you've seized them? Do you still have a purpose in life? 🤭
"you will make us more wage slaves or you will be jailed"
Ohh, my wife's ex said the exact same thing to me whilst they were still married. He's also Russian and loves Putin.
I wonder why she's his ex now 🤔
"and a man must fuck around and find out" - also Putin
Anyone who can look at a human being and say "this is what your just do no matter what because of what parts you have and nothing else" doesn't see others as full people.
He really is running low on soldiers, isn't he?
If what he says is true men have no purpose
They may offer their seed. So, women should have the control...oh I get it...
Gross
Putin’s job is to bounce on my dick.
Fuckin shorty mktherfjcker im so sick of that twerp and everyone who thinks like him
Russian "Mother's Cross" when: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/hitler-institutes-the-mothers-cross
Also the fascists call everything an “ideology”, except fascism of course.
What do humans learn from the past: That humans don't learn from the past: https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/
Where have heard this before? Hmmm.
Pooty poot knows how bad off russia really is. The population has taken several generational hits in the last hundred years and he just delivered another. To him women are nothing but things and those things better be producing male cannon fodder.
*mans purpose is to procreate
I wonder if Putin's plan to ban talking about childless lifestyle and saying this will work? Russias are not as traditional as people make it out to be, especially those in the cities. He will just rile up many folks.
No, that's a woman's specialty.
And God said it should be painful! That's what you get for wanting to know stuff!
Can't wait for Putins youtube. He's got some killer tips on how to pick up women.
If you're going to assign purpose of a thing, you gotta also be claiming that you own that thing in some capacity. Otherwise it's not yours to purpose. So, it seems Putin is in favor of property. Bad communist!
All living things purpose is to reproduce, that being said, If your leader tries to restrict your freedom’s to your most basic instinct you can probably find a better value with someone else.
I mean, inherently there is zero purpose to anything.
Incorrect, you can purposely build things, you can build a birdhouse for the purpose of housing birds, a factory can build a car for the purpose of driving and cells can build a human for the purpose of reproduction.
AllMost living things have the option to reproduce.It doesn't matter. If a living thing "chooses" not to reproduce, it will not pass on its genes, and that decision was detrimental to the species. As such, it no longer exists. This could still be considered a choice, just a flawed one. However, this has taken place trillions of times throughout history, and anything that made that choice was weeded out. You might not understand your purpose, and you might die before fulfilling it, but make no mistake: you have a deep evolutionary instinct to prioritize reproduction over anything else. Everything else consists of instrumental goals that emerge from the primary goal of reproduction. It is literally mathematically, scientifically, psychologically, sociologically, experimentally, and simulatively PROVEN—to the extent science can prove anything and even further thanks to mathematics.
User name checks out.
K.
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