I've long since lost any hope of real consequences.
Yes. Furthermore it seems if you’ve ever held office, been a director, worn a uniform or robe your invincible. Unless you did the right thing. I’m sure you get punished for having integrity.
You can thank a single, unnamed, person in 1874 for that. Congress passed section 1983 of the Federal Code in 1871. They included a 16 word clause that the person entrusted to copy the Congressional Record into the Federal Register illegally omitted. This clause became the focal point of Harlow V Fitzgerald in 1982. Because the 1982 SCOTUS didn't bother checking the Congressional Record, because why would they, the entire argument that allowed Qualified Immunity revolves around the missing clause. Had they had they original text, they wouldn't have ruled the way they did.
Got more details on this missing clause? I'd like to learn more.
This has really brought to light just how broken our legal system is. It's not even remotely just Trump, it's virtually everyone with money and/or power.
Elon Musk straight up directly helped protect the offensive military assets of an enemy nation during their ongoing, unprovoked invasion of a country ours is fully invested in protecting, and nothing happened.
Fun fact: It's not just the legal system. It's kind of fucking everything. Corruption is everywhere. It's progressively gotten worse over the decades while not enough people cared to do anything about it. Now we have campaign finance shenanigans, lobbying tomfoolery, citizens united ruling, regulatory capture all over, the first trillion dollar company and numerous other oligopolies. Here in the good ol' US of A, it's Dollar Über Alles.
It's not everywhere. You don't have to bribe/tip your doctor or your police.
But yes, in higher levels there's a lot. I'd still say less than half of Congress is explicitly compromised.
We're far from the bottom, but also far from where we should be. This police problem should be first on the list.
you don't have to tip your doctor because he's already bending you over anyway
not enough people cared to do anything about it
And still don't
Elon Musk straight up directly helped protect the offensive military assets of an enemy nation during their ongoing, unprovoked invasion of a country ours is fully invested in protecting, and nothing happened.
I think the problem there might be that we don't actually have a law prohibiting that yet (probably because until recently, it wasn't possible for one guy to have the power to do that sort of thing in the first place). We apparently need one, but we can't do anything about the Musk incident because of the whole "ex post facto" thing.
I’m assuming that because his network is carrying what the US would consider classified information, he (and his involved employees) have clearances and have signed those great NDAs that will send you to prison for violating them.
I’d be interested to see an infosec audit of the top offices.
You're suggesting a law mandating that private businesses must allow their products to be used for military purposes? That sounds fashy as fuck to me
First of all, no, that's not at all what I said and I resent the your dishonest attempt at DARVO-ing. Musk is the fascist here, not me.
Second, your argument about SpaceX being a "private business" is ridiculously oversimplistic. It is intimately intertwined with the US government in myriad ways, from receiving grants to develop its technology in the first place, to having contracts to launch stuff on behalf of NASA and other government agencies, to being subject to the regulations of the FCC, FAA, etc.
Third, Musk allowed his product to be used to help Ukraine voluntarily, then he betrayed that commitment in order to play kingmaker and interfering in something he had no right to. He shouldn't get to pick and choose what Ukraine does with the service any more than Comcast and AT&T should get to pick and choose what websites people visit.
The consequences haven't been fully enforced yet, but I'm cautiously optimistic about this one. He's already been found guilty of fraud and there's already an order from the judge to dissolve Trump Org and all presence in NY - hotels, golf courses, businesses, etc. The rest of the trial is just "how much of an additional fine does Trump need to pay?"
Of course, there will be appeals and it's possible the verdict gets overturned. Still, it's a promising direction.
So like, if I was a defendant in a civil case, and if I tried a fraction of the bullshit he’s pulled in the context of this particular trial alone, I’d be thrown in jail for contempt of court faster than you can say “hamberder”.
I am waiting for the judge to throw the book at him, but I’m honestly not expecting it.
hamberder eh?
"fold like a stack of cards" 🤔
If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards.
Checkmate
King me.
Go fish.
Bingo
Yatzhee!
I lost the game
I.e., collapse in the most satisfying way possible?
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." -Zapp Brannigan
Imagine having a deck of cards. Now try to fold them. Slow and difficult right?
That's the analogy.
Stack of cards ^^
Deck of cards ^^
Can a stack of cards get so tall that the bit at the top escapes Earth's gravity?
Or does it just take like... most of a decade to fall?
The left needs to stop believing that THIS TIME the MAGA followers will see the fraud. It will never happen. There is no house of flares related to his reputation. There is him (the victim truth teller) and the angry left who break laws to bring him down.
Their handlers could tell them the sky is green and grass is blue and the next day there'd be dozens of blossoming new conspiracy theories about "big Crayola" and the leftist elites' woke control over colors and child molestation/adrenal harvesting.
Kid Rock will paint his lawn blue to own the libs
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Maybe 1984 was an instruction manual.
The effects of gravity drop at the distance squared. I believe it technically is felt up to the very edge of the universe (if there is one) or infinity. At a more reasonable scale, it would only be if the card got close enough to fall into another bodies gravity well than the Earth's that it wouldn't fall back to earth. That'd be a house of cards somewhere around 300k-350k km high to get pulled onto the moon.
Cheers. I am very rusty on most of that stuff.
The rich never get convicted.
That is why the civil trial to take away his riches is going first before all his criminal trials.
The children's book "the emperor's new clothes" is so unrealistic who would ever buy into that kind of delusional thinking?
Meanwhile all the people that have been suckered by this guy despite all the evidence that he is just a con man...
That book was banned due to nudity.
former prosecuter
As opposed to the current prosecutor. If the current prosecutor commented publicly in such a manner, it would be highly unprofessional. Rather like Trump publicly bashing the judge presiding over his trial...
Exactly, which makes the comments perfectly apropos.
Eh ... We'll see.
Salon is the liberal version of Brietbart; never trust any analysis that they have.
Feels like what they told Reagon in the first CIA briefing...,"The Soviet Union will fall like a deck of cards, because it is a deck of cards."
Granted, it did fall. All it took was for the US and USSR to race each other towards bankruptcy and for the USSR to win.
Since the USSR no longer exists, i wonder how they won.
They "won" by going bankrupt first. The reward was the collapse of their system of government. Had the US "won" that race and gone bankrupt instead, we might have seen the nations of New York, California, Texas, etc break off from the US.
It was a little more complex than that. The USSR didn't have an industrial base that it needed, so it took from its satellite countries. Like a house of cards, when economic pressure was put on the top, it was felt on those countries below and they began to revolt. For the US, which had an industrial base, the 30B dollars spent on SDI fantasy was absorbed through debt. There was really no chance of the US going bankrupt.
Once again, I'll believe it when I see it.
I've long since lost any hope of real consequences.
Yes. Furthermore it seems if you’ve ever held office, been a director, worn a uniform or robe your invincible. Unless you did the right thing. I’m sure you get punished for having integrity.
You can thank a single, unnamed, person in 1874 for that. Congress passed section 1983 of the Federal Code in 1871. They included a 16 word clause that the person entrusted to copy the Congressional Record into the Federal Register illegally omitted. This clause became the focal point of Harlow V Fitzgerald in 1982. Because the 1982 SCOTUS didn't bother checking the Congressional Record, because why would they, the entire argument that allowed Qualified Immunity revolves around the missing clause. Had they had they original text, they wouldn't have ruled the way they did.
Got more details on this missing clause? I'd like to learn more.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/us/politics/qualified-immunity-supreme-court.html
This has really brought to light just how broken our legal system is. It's not even remotely just Trump, it's virtually everyone with money and/or power.
Elon Musk straight up directly helped protect the offensive military assets of an enemy nation during their ongoing, unprovoked invasion of a country ours is fully invested in protecting, and nothing happened.
Fun fact: It's not just the legal system. It's kind of fucking everything. Corruption is everywhere. It's progressively gotten worse over the decades while not enough people cared to do anything about it. Now we have campaign finance shenanigans, lobbying tomfoolery, citizens united ruling, regulatory capture all over, the first trillion dollar company and numerous other oligopolies. Here in the good ol' US of A, it's Dollar Über Alles.
It's not everywhere. You don't have to bribe/tip your doctor or your police.
But yes, in higher levels there's a lot. I'd still say less than half of Congress is explicitly compromised.
We're far from the bottom, but also far from where we should be. This police problem should be first on the list.
you don't have to tip your doctor because he's already bending you over anyway
And still don't
I think the problem there might be that we don't actually have a law prohibiting that yet (probably because until recently, it wasn't possible for one guy to have the power to do that sort of thing in the first place). We apparently need one, but we can't do anything about the Musk incident because of the whole "ex post facto" thing.
I’m assuming that because his network is carrying what the US would consider classified information, he (and his involved employees) have clearances and have signed those great NDAs that will send you to prison for violating them.
I’d be interested to see an infosec audit of the top offices.
You're suggesting a law mandating that private businesses must allow their products to be used for military purposes? That sounds fashy as fuck to me
First of all, no, that's not at all what I said and I resent the your dishonest attempt at DARVO-ing. Musk is the fascist here, not me.
Second, your argument about SpaceX being a "private business" is ridiculously oversimplistic. It is intimately intertwined with the US government in myriad ways, from receiving grants to develop its technology in the first place, to having contracts to launch stuff on behalf of NASA and other government agencies, to being subject to the regulations of the FCC, FAA, etc.
Third, Musk allowed his product to be used to help Ukraine voluntarily, then he betrayed that commitment in order to play kingmaker and interfering in something he had no right to. He shouldn't get to pick and choose what Ukraine does with the service any more than Comcast and AT&T should get to pick and choose what websites people visit.
The consequences haven't been fully enforced yet, but I'm cautiously optimistic about this one. He's already been found guilty of fraud and there's already an order from the judge to dissolve Trump Org and all presence in NY - hotels, golf courses, businesses, etc. The rest of the trial is just "how much of an additional fine does Trump need to pay?"
Of course, there will be appeals and it's possible the verdict gets overturned. Still, it's a promising direction.
So like, if I was a defendant in a civil case, and if I tried a fraction of the bullshit he’s pulled in the context of this particular trial alone, I’d be thrown in jail for contempt of court faster than you can say “hamberder”.
I am waiting for the judge to throw the book at him, but I’m honestly not expecting it.
hamberder eh?
"fold like a stack of cards" 🤔
If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards.
Checkmate
King me.
Go fish.
Bingo
Yatzhee!
I lost the game
I.e., collapse in the most satisfying way possible?
"If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." -Zapp Brannigan
Imagine having a deck of cards. Now try to fold them. Slow and difficult right?
That's the analogy.
Stack of cards ^^
Deck of cards ^^
Can a stack of cards get so tall that the bit at the top escapes Earth's gravity?
Or does it just take like... most of a decade to fall?
The left needs to stop believing that THIS TIME the MAGA followers will see the fraud. It will never happen. There is no house of flares related to his reputation. There is him (the victim truth teller) and the angry left who break laws to bring him down.
Their handlers could tell them the sky is green and grass is blue and the next day there'd be dozens of blossoming new conspiracy theories about "big Crayola" and the leftist elites' woke control over colors and child molestation/adrenal harvesting.
Kid Rock will paint his lawn blue to own the libs
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Maybe 1984 was an instruction manual.
The effects of gravity drop at the distance squared. I believe it technically is felt up to the very edge of the universe (if there is one) or infinity. At a more reasonable scale, it would only be if the card got close enough to fall into another bodies gravity well than the Earth's that it wouldn't fall back to earth. That'd be a house of cards somewhere around 300k-350k km high to get pulled onto the moon.
Cheers. I am very rusty on most of that stuff.
The rich never get convicted.
That is why the civil trial to take away his riches is going first before all his criminal trials.
The children's book "the emperor's new clothes" is so unrealistic who would ever buy into that kind of delusional thinking?
Meanwhile all the people that have been suckered by this guy despite all the evidence that he is just a con man...
That book was banned due to nudity.
former prosecuter
As opposed to the current prosecutor. If the current prosecutor commented publicly in such a manner, it would be highly unprofessional. Rather like Trump publicly bashing the judge presiding over his trial...
Exactly, which makes the comments perfectly apropos.
Eh ... We'll see.
Salon is the liberal version of Brietbart; never trust any analysis that they have.
Feels like what they told Reagon in the first CIA briefing...,"The Soviet Union will fall like a deck of cards, because it is a deck of cards."
Granted, it did fall. All it took was for the US and USSR to race each other towards bankruptcy and for the USSR to win.
Since the USSR no longer exists, i wonder how they won.
They "won" by going bankrupt first. The reward was the collapse of their system of government. Had the US "won" that race and gone bankrupt instead, we might have seen the nations of New York, California, Texas, etc break off from the US.
It was a little more complex than that. The USSR didn't have an industrial base that it needed, so it took from its satellite countries. Like a house of cards, when economic pressure was put on the top, it was felt on those countries below and they began to revolt. For the US, which had an industrial base, the 30B dollars spent on SDI fantasy was absorbed through debt. There was really no chance of the US going bankrupt.
Checkmate.
A blue tie?!? WTF
a TAN SUIT ???
It's goin' down, I'm yellin' timber