Built with shit from Home Depot, controlled with a literal Logitech game controller, construction pipes as ballast... holy fuck, why would anybody agree to go 3.7km below the surface of the ocean in that deathtrap?
Imagine paying $250k and the pilot pulls out the player 2 controller
Those Logitech controllers are actually pretty decent. I've had one for ages and it's still going strong.
And it's easily replaceable in case of failure. Of all the design shortcuts this one isn't bad.
lmao for real. Couldn't even fork out for a first party controller.
Jesus, is that really what they're using? š³
Hope the pilot tried ā¬ļø ā¬ļø ā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ ļøā”ļøā¬ ļøā”ļøš ±ļøš °ļø start
Made out of a fiberglass tube (catastrophic failure) and titanium end caps (cracks) instead of steel.
āSteel is real.ā
Titanium cracks under pressure, I take it?
Or is the join between the cap and the fiberglass body potentially more of a problem?
Everything cracks under pressure, I'm not exactly sure what the above commenter is getting at. If the sub was steel the walls would be thinner. With titanium the walls would be thicker. Without knowing the dimensions of the material we can't know whether it was built to high enough standards.
I mean, anything will crack under pressure. The biggest issue I see is uneven compression of the two materials coupled with different fatigue behaviors. I'd feel a lot safer if the whole submarine was titanium, honestly. Barring that, a couple inches of solid steel would be just as comforting.
I would be worried about both. Joining two very different materials that need to deal with crazy pressures seems like a really bad idea.
bUt iT wAs dEsIgNeD wItH NASA iNpUt
Add temperature changes as you dive.
Good point!
Wow, that is super sketchy. Now I am not at all surprised this happened. Hope that company has a shit ton of insurance.
There was a conspiracy that the original titanic going down was an insurance scam.
There's also a conspiracy that my farts smell like rancid carrots because the government puts carrots up my butt while I'm sleeping
Why aren't more people talking about big carrot? Wake up sheeple
Absolutely ridiculous. It's huge international mega-corporations doing that.
An easily disproved one too, as the sister ships werenāt actually identical. Also the recent scan on the ship revealed the hull number 401 on one of the propellers putting another nail in the coffin of the idea the ship is actually the Olympic.
Oh i hate that stupid theory. That's like top tier "looking for a conspiracy because we've got nothing better to do"
They're playing a really long game if so. Submarines like this weren't even conceived of yet when the Titanic went down, it'd take tremendous foresight to have set this up.
It's not a great theory. I'm pretty sure it would have made more money transporting passengers hundreds of times over
I find it strangely hard to care about the fate of a handful of multimillionaire tourists when hundreds of refugees died last week due to the indifference of the Greek authorities - and the media barely noticed.
Exactly- this is only news because their rich.
I am, however, enjoying the gradual turn from the search and rescue efforts to assigning blame and pointing out all the noted issues with the vessel that went missing - and the pushback from people saying it was completely safe.
History repeats itself.
We should all just be glad that James Cameron wasn't on board. Imagine never getting another one of his movies because he Heart
-of-the-Ocean'ed himself.
Thatās sort ofā¦ poetic in a messed up way.
Only if the sub remains undiscovered for ~70 years.
Why did they name it Titan??
...officials are working to get a remotely operated vehicle that can reach a depth of 6,000 meters (about 20,000 feet) to the site as soon as possible.
The 5-person submersible, named Titan, is capable of diving 4,000 meters or 13,120 ft. āwith a comfortable safety margin,ā OceanGate said in its filing with the court.
What I dont get is that one of the passangers was a billionaire. He could have built himself the fanciest and safest vessel for a few Million Dollars with a whole naval operation attached. Of course thats a lot more than 250K but still nothing for a billionaire.
These people are so out of touch and greedy its insane.
It goes to prove that billionaires are just as gullible as the rest of the people, all they had was just money and assets, it doesn't grant them wisdom or intelligence.
That much money must give you incredible hubris: up until this point youāve never had a problem that money couldnāt fix (or ease) for you.
Unfortunately, you canāt bribe physics.
I've never thought about it this way before. You've given me empathy for billionaires; thanks, I hate it!
Goes to further prove that it doesn't take brains to become a billionaire, I guess
Why do that when you can cut costs, and how would it be possible for them not to ensure their safety? I don't think they cut costs like the clients, I don't think they would put lites at risk just for the sake of some extra dollars to the pocket of the CEO. /s
Even if I had a stupid amount of money, there's no way in hell I would pay someone to stuff me inside what seems to be an over-sized propane tank, then send me to depths where the water pressure is so extreme it will literally crush you.
Just...no.
I particularly like the part where this specific submersible can't ever be opened from the inside, because it gets bolted shut from outside.
I mean, you wouldn't want to open it down there, but I don't know why anyone would want to be down there anyways.
You definitely wouldn't.
But what about if you made it to the surface in an emergency? I'd probably want to open it at that point.
Someone mentioned how the sub reminds them of Apollo 1 and I tend to agree. So many poor choices were made!
Very wealthy people wasting a huge amount of society's resources to have mild fun doing something very risky then having to get rescued on the back of society at a high cost. I say let the die.
this is a very weird first comment to make and the subsequent comments neither look productive nor particularly on topic. let's save the thirsting for rich people blood for a topic where it's more warranted folks, please and thanks.
But rich blood being spilled is the topic. They took a huge risk only to get more resources deployed to find them.
Regardless of one's opinion the super rich, the thing also has crew that are just there because they're paid to operate the thing, I doubt they make enough to buy tickets for this kind of thing themselves.
Ooooor, you know, don't let these people die (and definitely don't enjoy it, wtf), AND fix the medical and housing systems so a similar amount of effort goes toward making sure everyone else also doesn't die. Letting some rich people die doesn't make any poor people less dead.
Letting some rich people die doesnāt make any poor people less dead.
[x] Doubt
At least it evens the score a bit. Yes we should enjoy when rich people meet grisly fates, they've literally doomed the rest of us.
Hey now, that money goes to support the families of the people who make shoddy tourist submarines, who then go on to spend that money on groceries and rent and so on, driving the overall economy. The money isn't really "wasted." If it weren't for these submarine tours the money would just remain sitting in rich peoples' wallets doing nothing.
The best new eco funeral option is human composting, letās hope they had advance directives to support that industry as well!
According to the article there is a metal eating bacteria thatās eating the titanic? And it the wreckage might be gone in a few decades?
Thatās incredible
Now they probably have a new submersible to munch on...
Predinner snack!
Who even has the vessels that can go deep enough to rescue them? This is the stuff of nightmares
Gabe Newell, yes the owner of Valve/Steam, has an ocean research organization that owns a submarine designed to dive down to 10km, to some of the deepest parts of the ocean.
To be fair, even if no vehicle that could rescue it from the bottom is available, that doesn't mean that there is no use in a rescue mission if they don't know where the sub is. For instance, it could have surfaced but had it's communications lost, in which case they'd still need rescue, because based on a CBS video of the sub in question shared elsewhere on the thread, the thing doesn't actually have a hatch and just has the front taken off and then bolted back on afterwards to let people in and out, and obviously is going to be airtight given it's a sub and all.
It has 96 hours of life support, I have faith.
I am hopeful, but not necessarily optimistic...if it lost power and descended below crush depth, no amount of life support is bringing them back.
Someone else in the other thread about this said they have magnetically attached ballasts that can be jettisoned so the sub floats if power is lost.
It's also designed to go down to the floor where the Titanic is. Was it also passing over deeper water? I'dve assumed they'd release it from a boat above the titantic fairly directly.
But apparently they cannot open the hatch from the inside, so even if they are on the surface, the oxygen will still run out if they're not found.
I assume there is also no vent or similar to let air in?
Well with all that taken into account, the fact that we haven't seen any evidence of the sub yet is a very bad sign.
This may be true, but how much time does it take to surface to avoid decompression sickness if they are found? This, of course, assumes that the surface in the same vehicle.
The inhabitants of the submarine arenāt under pressure directly like scuba divers are, theyāre at atmospheric pressure while inside which is why the pressure hull needs to be so strong to resist the hundreds of PSI outside - itās the pressure difference that crushes things in this case. If they are rescued thereāll be no requirement to decompress slowly as their bodies were never under compression and at risk of the bends (when nitrogen bubbles form in your blood with often lethal results) to begin with.
The inhabitants of the Kursk during that submarine disaster were subjected to high pressure in their last hours but that was because the water slowly flooding their compartment compressed the air like a piston, this isnāt a concern for this submarine as it goes far deeper than the Kursk and the slightest fracture to the hull would kill them instantly in a violent implosion.
I hope thereās some kind of black boxā¦ what would be worse than it happenning again one day because we donāt know what happenned.
It's controlled with a knockoff Xbox controller. I'll bet the "black box" is a cassette recorder bought from Goodwill for $3 and then spray painted black
BBC said that this sub (Titan) was damaged last year, and this was its first dive since being ārepaired.ā
Iām betting it didnāt have a black box, and weāll never know if the ārepairā was the cause.
Why do you put a 19yo in an untested death trap like thisā¦
That is the worst part to me. This kidās main interests were Rubikās cubes and volleyball. At least all these old guys had an interest in the Titanic and knew what they were getting into.
CBS dude rode on it and did an interview with the owner.
So many red flags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29co_Hksk6o&feature=youtu.be
Built with shit from Home Depot, controlled with a literal Logitech game controller, construction pipes as ballast... holy fuck, why would anybody agree to go 3.7km below the surface of the ocean in that deathtrap?
Imagine paying $250k and the pilot pulls out the player 2 controller
Those Logitech controllers are actually pretty decent. I've had one for ages and it's still going strong.
And it's easily replaceable in case of failure. Of all the design shortcuts this one isn't bad.
lmao for real. Couldn't even fork out for a first party controller.
Jesus, is that really what they're using? š³
Hope the pilot tried ā¬ļø ā¬ļø ā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ ļøā”ļøā¬ ļøā”ļøš ±ļøš °ļø start
Made out of a fiberglass tube (catastrophic failure) and titanium end caps (cracks) instead of steel.
āSteel is real.ā
Titanium cracks under pressure, I take it?
Or is the join between the cap and the fiberglass body potentially more of a problem?
Everything cracks under pressure, I'm not exactly sure what the above commenter is getting at. If the sub was steel the walls would be thinner. With titanium the walls would be thicker. Without knowing the dimensions of the material we can't know whether it was built to high enough standards.
I mean, anything will crack under pressure. The biggest issue I see is uneven compression of the two materials coupled with different fatigue behaviors. I'd feel a lot safer if the whole submarine was titanium, honestly. Barring that, a couple inches of solid steel would be just as comforting.
I would be worried about both. Joining two very different materials that need to deal with crazy pressures seems like a really bad idea.
bUt iT wAs dEsIgNeD wItH NASA iNpUt
Add temperature changes as you dive.
Good point!
Wow, that is super sketchy. Now I am not at all surprised this happened. Hope that company has a shit ton of insurance.
There was a conspiracy that the original titanic going down was an insurance scam.
There's also a conspiracy that my farts smell like rancid carrots because the government puts carrots up my butt while I'm sleeping
Why aren't more people talking about big carrot? Wake up sheeple
Absolutely ridiculous. It's huge international mega-corporations doing that.
An easily disproved one too, as the sister ships werenāt actually identical. Also the recent scan on the ship revealed the hull number 401 on one of the propellers putting another nail in the coffin of the idea the ship is actually the Olympic.
Oh i hate that stupid theory. That's like top tier "looking for a conspiracy because we've got nothing better to do"
They're playing a really long game if so. Submarines like this weren't even conceived of yet when the Titanic went down, it'd take tremendous foresight to have set this up.
It's not a great theory. I'm pretty sure it would have made more money transporting passengers hundreds of times over
I find it strangely hard to care about the fate of a handful of multimillionaire tourists when hundreds of refugees died last week due to the indifference of the Greek authorities - and the media barely noticed.
Exactly- this is only news because their rich.
I am, however, enjoying the gradual turn from the search and rescue efforts to assigning blame and pointing out all the noted issues with the vessel that went missing - and the pushback from people saying it was completely safe.
History repeats itself.
We should all just be glad that James Cameron wasn't on board. Imagine never getting another one of his movies because he Heart -of-the-Ocean'ed himself.
Thatās sort ofā¦ poetic in a messed up way.
Only if the sub remains undiscovered for ~70 years.
Why did they name it Titan??
but...after looking up on Wikipedia
I think theyāre advertising the depth limit of the recovery vehicle, not claiming that the wreck is actually at 20,000 feet.
They probably need quite a bit of margin too if the craft accidentally got lost in a deeper area
Maybe they're concerned that it no-clipped through the sea bottom and wound up deeper than the Titanic's current location?
It might be best practice to use a vessel rated for considerably deeper than you actually go, in case of some problem in the hull?
And/or it's just a description of a particular vehicle they're bringing that was most convenient to get there quickly.
It's not like they're going to say, "oh, don't bring THAT recovery vehicle, it can go TOO deep."
This shits going to keep happening as companies continue to rush commercialization of "Extreme" Travel.
Here's a thread giving info on all the shoddiness of that sub
https://newrepublic.com/post/173802/missing-titanic-sub-faced-lawsuit-depths-safely-travel-oceangate
This adds to the picture of utter recklessness.
What the actual fuck. They built a literal deathtrap
So they wanted to die. Got it.
They said it was unsinkable!
What I dont get is that one of the passangers was a billionaire. He could have built himself the fanciest and safest vessel for a few Million Dollars with a whole naval operation attached. Of course thats a lot more than 250K but still nothing for a billionaire. These people are so out of touch and greedy its insane.
It goes to prove that billionaires are just as gullible as the rest of the people, all they had was just money and assets, it doesn't grant them wisdom or intelligence.
That much money must give you incredible hubris: up until this point youāve never had a problem that money couldnāt fix (or ease) for you.
Unfortunately, you canāt bribe physics.
I've never thought about it this way before. You've given me empathy for billionaires; thanks, I hate it!
Goes to further prove that it doesn't take brains to become a billionaire, I guess
Why do that when you can cut costs, and how would it be possible for them not to ensure their safety? I don't think they cut costs like the clients, I don't think they would put lites at risk just for the sake of some extra dollars to the pocket of the CEO. /s
Even if I had a stupid amount of money, there's no way in hell I would pay someone to stuff me inside what seems to be an over-sized propane tank, then send me to depths where the water pressure is so extreme it will literally crush you.
Just...no.
I particularly like the part where this specific submersible can't ever be opened from the inside, because it gets bolted shut from outside.
I mean, you wouldn't want to open it down there, but I don't know why anyone would want to be down there anyways.
You definitely wouldn't. But what about if you made it to the surface in an emergency? I'd probably want to open it at that point. Someone mentioned how the sub reminds them of Apollo 1 and I tend to agree. So many poor choices were made!
Very wealthy people wasting a huge amount of society's resources to have mild fun doing something very risky then having to get rescued on the back of society at a high cost. I say let the die.
this is a very weird first comment to make and the subsequent comments neither look productive nor particularly on topic. let's save the thirsting for rich people blood for a topic where it's more warranted folks, please and thanks.
But rich blood being spilled is the topic. They took a huge risk only to get more resources deployed to find them.
Regardless of one's opinion the super rich, the thing also has crew that are just there because they're paid to operate the thing, I doubt they make enough to buy tickets for this kind of thing themselves.
Ooooor, you know, don't let these people die (and definitely don't enjoy it, wtf), AND fix the medical and housing systems so a similar amount of effort goes toward making sure everyone else also doesn't die. Letting some rich people die doesn't make any poor people less dead.
[x] Doubt
At least it evens the score a bit. Yes we should enjoy when rich people meet grisly fates, they've literally doomed the rest of us.
Hey now, that money goes to support the families of the people who make shoddy tourist submarines, who then go on to spend that money on groceries and rent and so on, driving the overall economy. The money isn't really "wasted." If it weren't for these submarine tours the money would just remain sitting in rich peoples' wallets doing nothing.
The best new eco funeral option is human composting, letās hope they had advance directives to support that industry as well!
āAsk a Morticianā did a video on what happened to the bodies from the Titanic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHwXhUFQPCk
She also did a video on human composting. https://youtu.be/_LJSEZ_pl3Y
Theyāre dead.
According to the article there is a metal eating bacteria thatās eating the titanic? And it the wreckage might be gone in a few decades?
Thatās incredible
Now they probably have a new submersible to munch on...
Predinner snack!
Who even has the vessels that can go deep enough to rescue them? This is the stuff of nightmares
Gabe Newell, yes the owner of Valve/Steam, has an ocean research organization that owns a submarine designed to dive down to 10km, to some of the deepest parts of the ocean.
To be fair, even if no vehicle that could rescue it from the bottom is available, that doesn't mean that there is no use in a rescue mission if they don't know where the sub is. For instance, it could have surfaced but had it's communications lost, in which case they'd still need rescue, because based on a CBS video of the sub in question shared elsewhere on the thread, the thing doesn't actually have a hatch and just has the front taken off and then bolted back on afterwards to let people in and out, and obviously is going to be airtight given it's a sub and all.
It has 96 hours of life support, I have faith.
I am hopeful, but not necessarily optimistic...if it lost power and descended below crush depth, no amount of life support is bringing them back.
Someone else in the other thread about this said they have magnetically attached ballasts that can be jettisoned so the sub floats if power is lost.
It's also designed to go down to the floor where the Titanic is. Was it also passing over deeper water? I'dve assumed they'd release it from a boat above the titantic fairly directly.
But apparently they cannot open the hatch from the inside, so even if they are on the surface, the oxygen will still run out if they're not found.
Edit: here's an article about this: https://www.insider.com/people-missing-submersible-deadbolt-screws-airtight-coast-guard-2023-6
I assume there is also no vent or similar to let air in?
Well with all that taken into account, the fact that we haven't seen any evidence of the sub yet is a very bad sign.
This may be true, but how much time does it take to surface to avoid decompression sickness if they are found? This, of course, assumes that the surface in the same vehicle.
The inhabitants of the submarine arenāt under pressure directly like scuba divers are, theyāre at atmospheric pressure while inside which is why the pressure hull needs to be so strong to resist the hundreds of PSI outside - itās the pressure difference that crushes things in this case. If they are rescued thereāll be no requirement to decompress slowly as their bodies were never under compression and at risk of the bends (when nitrogen bubbles form in your blood with often lethal results) to begin with.
The inhabitants of the Kursk during that submarine disaster were subjected to high pressure in their last hours but that was because the water slowly flooding their compartment compressed the air like a piston, this isnāt a concern for this submarine as it goes far deeper than the Kursk and the slightest fracture to the hull would kill them instantly in a violent implosion.
I hope thereās some kind of black boxā¦ what would be worse than it happenning again one day because we donāt know what happenned.
It's controlled with a knockoff Xbox controller. I'll bet the "black box" is a cassette recorder bought from Goodwill for $3 and then spray painted black
BBC said that this sub (Titan) was damaged last year, and this was its first dive since being ārepaired.ā
Iām betting it didnāt have a black box, and weāll never know if the ārepairā was the cause.
Why do you put a 19yo in an untested death trap like thisā¦
That is the worst part to me. This kidās main interests were Rubikās cubes and volleyball. At least all these old guys had an interest in the Titanic and knew what they were getting into.
I feel bad for the kid.
I feel bad for the families of folks