Shortly after Hutchinson's remarks, former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie was also loudly booed as soon as he took the stage and throughout his remarks as he also seemingly addressed the Republican divide.
"The problem is, you want to shout down any voice that says anything different than what you want to hear. You can continue to do it, and believe me—believe me, it doesn't bother me one bit," Christie said, who is also running for president.
The Republican fired back at the boos by saying, "You can yell and boo about it as much as you like, but it doesn't change the truth. And the truth is coming."
Christie added: "And all of you need to understand: America needs better than what we've had. And it never makes America a better place, whether it's on a college campus in an Ivy League or whether it's in an auditorium in Orlando, for us to be booing and shouting down opinions we don't agree with."
I'm sure there's plenty of people ready to point out the many ways in which Chris Christie is a piece of shit. But I really do appreciate the way he's willing to actually confront others in his party and call them out on their bullshit. Even among Trumps critics and would be rivals, so many others are retiring, acquiescing, or just desperately tip toeing around the truth to avoid upsetting the flavor aid connoisseurs. But Christie is out their scolding the crowd like obnoxious little shits that they are.
And no, it won't change the minds of the people who are booing him, they already went off the deep end. But it may help shatter the illusion for those who are moving in that direction, who have been living an echo chamber, and who need someone to be the first to point out that the emperor has no clothes.
flavor aid connoisseurs
Nice one.
You gotta appreciate a Lemming who uses the actual product (flavor aid, not the misquoted Kool Aid).
My guess is he's playing the long game. With how these idiots mindlessly follow trump and must reshape their whole beliefs every time he contradicts the last one, Christie is just banking on them mindlessly shuffling to the next hypocritical stop on their train ride of bullshit. Christie probably thinks trump will fall far enough when the results of some of the trials start trickling in. He wants to position himself as the new savior they can worship. He expects them to ignore the previous few years of hate and vitriol they fomented and fall in line with the next guy.
I think they are stupid enough to do it.
I don’t think Christie expects to be an idol to these people, he just wants some political power.
I think Christie was someone who Trump wanted to be VP, until Trump's plane had 'maintenance' issues and Trump was forced to stick around for a meeting with Pence which was Manafort's pick for VP.
Then Christie was put to overseeing the transfer team, which Trump shut down and yelled at Christie because they raised so much money for the transition that Trump wanted for himself. Christie of course tried to explain the money was needed for a proper transfer but we all know how that went. There's an article about that bit for those that may not have seen it.
You know your campaign is rough when you're quoted as "Republican" instead of by name.
Funny enough either they changed the title or they decided his name was only worth it for the url link were actually says his name as part of the url path title.
"why are you booing me? I'm right."
The intersection of correctness and politics is a very, very small set.
This is the moment for the party to break Trump’s hold over them. A hold that’s going to continue to cause them to lose in the greater scale. And, because they’re cowardice as fuck, they’re choosing to chain themselves further to him.
Every single republican (outside of those 8 or so idiots in the house who would never) should unify in ousting him.
they’re choosing to chain themselves further to him.
Nah. If for some reason Trump became unpopular (said vaccines work or something) these same people could come out tomorrow and say they never liked Trump and the base wouldn't care.
said vaccines work or something
He actually did say that lol. And then he was booed. And then they all forgot about it. There's nothing permanent in their mindset, there's only what is maintained by endless repetition from their media sources.
Hutchinson continued to state that such an outcome will make it harder for Republicans down the ticket to win their races if Trump, who is the current GOP frontrunner, wins the 2024 nomination.
Yes, Boo this man! And Boo anybody that wants to change this fact!
Fucking seriously. Let them implode.
Wow there’s another Republican who isn’t a cowardly pussy and capable of telling the truth.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson was loudly booed on Saturday after he told a Republican summit that there is "significant likelihood" that former President Donald Trump will be found guilty of a felony next year.
The former president has been facing a wave of legal scrutiny at both the state and federal levels by being indicted in four separate cases: two brought by Department of Justice (DOJ) special counsel Jack Smith, one by the Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, and another by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis in Georgia.
Trump has denied wrongdoing in all cases while claiming that all of his legal woes are part of an orchestrated "witch hunt" by his political enemies as he runs for president again in 2024.
While speaking at the Florida Freedom Summit, an event featuring presidential candidates like Hutchinson, the former governor cited his own experience as a prosecutor to predict the outcome of Trump's legal troubles.
As a party, we must support the rule of law, we cannot win as a country without integrity in the White House," Hutchinson added.
And it never makes America a better place, whether it's on a college campus in an Ivy League or whether it's in an auditorium in Orlando, for us to be booing and shouting down opinions we don't agree with."
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I hope Trump is convicted, because Democrats are happy with a racist lost Roomba with dementia in the White House thanks to him.
We need to do better than this.
Edit: So I'm told it isn't dementia and he always was that stupid and racist. Still don't like him or Trump.
Nice job buying the Republican talking point that Biden has dementia. Too bad there's absolutely no evidence of it. He's old. He does and says old person things. That doesn't mean he has dementia.
The "Biden dementia" thing comes from two places.
First is, Biden has a stutter. Everyone has known about it for his entire political career, and he's mostly overcome it, but every now and then he'll trip over a word. Right wing nutjobs will then scream that Biden can't form a coherent sentence, even though he can indeed do that.
The second source of the "Biden dementia" nonsense is projection/deflection. In the middle of Trump's presidency, there were some medical experts who started raising questions about Trump possibly having something along the lines of Frontotemporal dementia. Now, these were people without access to Trump's medical records or any records beyond videos of Trump, so there's a large grain of salt to be taken.
The basic argument was the Trump has a distinct stance, legs ramrod straight, but his torso leaning slightly forward. This is very common among people who suffer that type of dementia. His word choice has also tended to delve into the nonsensical more and more over the years, even if he's still able to string together a grammatically correct sounding sentence. Which is another sign of that particular strain of dementia.
The main argument against FTD is the seeming lack of apathy. FTD is a disease that robs you of your emotions.
The sub category of Semantic dementia might fit Trump better, but honestly, I think he's just a lazy conman who was never very smart in the first place.
Right wing nutjobs will then scream that Biden can't form a coherent sentence
This part is also projection to help them justify their own support of a self-proclaimed "stable genius" who is quoted as saying
Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.
The main argument against FTD is the seeming lack of apathy. FTD is a disease that robs you of your emotions.
Did you mean empathy instead of apathy?
No, they meant if he had FTD he’d be more apathetic, but he doesn’t appear to be that way, so maybe it’s something else.
Oh yeah, I read it again and that makes more sense now. Good call.
It can do that too, but how would you tell? He's always been a shitty person with no empathy.
But no, FTD tends to rob you of your emotional range. Feeling listless and apathetic is common.
This "dementia" bit needs to die. Call him old or stupid but pathologizing to something as severe as dementia hits me the same way as if you called him "retarded."
regarded?
No, "retarded."
When people want to call someone dumb so they call them retarded. I work with adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities and very much dislike both "dementia" and the word "retarded" being weaponized for the same reason.
Ah yes, the old, tired argument that if I don't like Biden, I must be a Trump supporter falling for propaganda. The guy is not coherent enough to be President, in my opinion. These 80 year olds need to get out of politics.
He is as coherent as he has been in the last 20 years. So yes, you are falling for propaganda. There is zero evidence that he has dementia.
Oh, so he really IS that stupid and racist? Good to know.
Ah, yes, the "Biden is racist" Republican talking point.
“the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean.” – Biden, referring to President Obama
“Poor kids are just as smart and talented as white kids!”
“It’s awful hard, as well, to get Latinx vaccinated as well. Why? They’re worried that they will be vaccinated and deported.”
“Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things.”
“That’s like saying you . . . before you got in this program, you’re take [sic] a test whether you’re taking cocaine or not. What do you think? Huh? Are you a junkie?” – Biden asking a Black reporter if he’s a cocaine junkie after the reporter asked if he had taken a cognitive test
“You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”
Um... some of these make you sound like the racist one.
Like suggesting that saying to a black reporter if they're a junkie it's racist as if only black people use cocaine or are junkies. That's you assuming that, not Biden.
Also, every single one of those is out of context and none of them are sourced.
out of context
Ah yes, the old "out of context" argument. You know damn well if any Republican said any one of those things, people would be out with the pitchforks. But because it's a Democrat, you're OK with it and blow it off as "out of context." Even though the guy didn't want his kids growing up in a "racial jungle" (his words, not mine).
If you can't look at your own side critically, you are what is wrong with this country.
So you're claiming context has no relevance to things people say? Really?
Because, again, without context, you're the one coming off as a racist.
NONE OF THIS IS OK IN ANY CONTEXT.
Really? Because, again, I provided you with a link to a Latina doctor who says her patients are vaccine hesitant because they fear deportation. So the truth is not okay?
Dude, I'm leftist as fuck. Hardcore. Biden is a disgrace and needs to be out. A broken clock is right twice a day, so even if home slice is GOP, he's not wrong.
We all can do better than this.
I'm leftist as fuck and I'll still vote for him because any other choice would be worse.
So will I. Doesn't mean we can't do better.
Biden is a disgrace and needs to be out.
Trump proved that even crimes at the level of impeachment won't result in a successful removal.
2/3 of the senate is a pretty high bar to clear.
Impeachment does not require removing a president from office, that's just the maximum penalty. An impeachment is also not necessarily a breach of the law. I hate Trump as much as the next guy and his impeachments were absolutely deserved, but it wasn't like he somehow managed to stay in power after being impeached or anything. Even Nixon actually stepped down after his impeachment rather than being removed from office outright.
Nixon was never impeached.
I stand corrected, looks like he stepped down just before being impeached, then
Again, just another iteration in the “blue no matter who” loop. Again, it’s sad people allowed themselves to fall for the brainwashing/battered voter syndrome.
it’s sad that people allow themselves to fall for the disenfranchised voter syndrome
it’s reality mate… you get democrat or you get republican. with how first past the post mathematically works, that’s what you’re stuck with. deal with reality and vote the system or scream at the wall
The presence of mind to vote for the best option if it isn't a big two is a syndrome now?
Fuck it, man, call me a sick fucker then, because I'm betting the best option ain't gonna be red or blue this time either ... I'm voting for the most sensible and intelligent name on the ballot. Sure as fuck ain't gonna be trump, but biden has the fact that he isn't trump, and not much else...
3rd party in the US is almost certain to amount to nothkng given how game theory, the spoiler effect, defensive voting, the electoral college, and various other social and mathematical things come together
the reality is that a vote for 3rd party is the same outcome as not voting… its awful, but sadly that’s the way it is. if you want to vote 3rd party, you need to work to change the system somehow first
There's a ballot... it's a list of options... You go in, you pick out which is the best option.
It's YOUR vote, it's your choice.
You can decide your voice has to pick the ones that are gonna win, like it's a keno card.
You can decide that your voice is going to pick the little letter next to the name that identifies each option as belongings to the stupid little tribes.
You can declare which is best for you. You can declare which is best for the collective. You can declare which is the best option to get good leadership...
I tend towards the collective. I don't give a fuck who's going to win, I don't give a fuck about their tribe. I usually go in knowing what I'm gonna see for options and the general philosophy of each (fucking Google man, it's so much easier these days... there was a time when that took some leg work.).
The simple reality is that the best choice for the overall good is very rarely a winner. That's a damned shame, but it is what it is. The best I can do with that is to declare it with my vote. I'm not enabling shit, I'm not voting defensively, I'm not screwing up my keno card... I'm declaring which option is the best on the list in my opinion.
It should be that simple. It IS that simple for me. It could be that simple for you. Your vote, your voice, you can use it to state your own opinion and not whatever bullshit you're told you're stuck with.
I'm not saying people should vote a tribe, or game the system, I'm saying your vote should be your own.
but thats kinda the point: you SHOULD be able to pick the option that’s best for you, but in reality if that option isn’t 1 of the 2 major parties then it suffers from the spoiler effect and all that candidate does is pull votes from their closest competitor!
FPTP is fundamentally broken, and you can never choose 3rd party if you want your vote to matter… you said it’s a shame, and that’s true! but it’s also maths and sociology
it’s a fixable problem, but not with the system that exists in the US right now
The reality is you get overly or covertly fascist. Ftfy.
sure! totally agree… so the best vote is for not overtly fascist… you don’t solve this particular problem at the polls: you have to solve it some other way
and no, i don’t know how that is done but that’s just the reality… FPTP voting system leaves you no good options. you must either change the way the system works, or work outside the system
not voting of the lesser of the 2 options, right now, in this reality, gets you the worst outcome… and even worse, shifts BOTH options significantly worse for next time
I'm not disagreeing with the reality of FPTP, but I still have the first-amendment right to be angry at Biden. But with the way political discourse is going in this country, I can't criticize him without being written off as a Trump bootlicker. Fixing that is the first thing we need to do as a country.
You are being written off as a Trump bootlicker because you parrot Trump propaganda. Perhaps fixing your need to regurgitate Trump propaganda should be the first thing that needs fixing?
Ah, any criticism of Biden is "Trump propaganda." Gotta dismiss it with a bullshit term so you can feel like you won, huh?
Kinda like how Trump and his cult refer to any criticism of Trump as "fake news."
Funny how both Team Blue and Team Red do a lot of the same things and don't want to admit it.
For real. My biggest issue with Biden and his supporters is that they pretend to be outraged at the stuff the Republicans do, while doing the same shit. Like bailing out the billionaires, overspending on military, and enabling the predatory healthcare system to continue to exist.
They have the same bosses, and it’s not us. Bandwagon fallacy or something.
Absolutely. And people here wonder why I think both sides are full of shit. George Carlin was right.
Is it tough playing a generic misinformed enlightened centrist? I get visions of Pagliacci only in your case it’s a bag of turds in clown makeup.
I wanted Sanders to win. Not Biden and not Trump. Is it really that difficult to comprehend?
You do know Sanders isn't running, right? He's also two years older than Biden, so why aren't you concerned he has dementia?
I'm talking about the last election, and he's far more coherent than Biden or Trump could ever hope to be.
Ah, so we've dropped the 'dementia' thing and are just going for 'coherency' now. I guess when someone suggests your elderly hero might also have dementia because of his advanced age, that's going too far.
Elderly hero? Please.
Hey, weren't you one of the people accusing me of being a Trump supporter?
Nope, I was accusing you of parroting Republican propaganda regardless of who you support.
That's a cop-out, just like how Trump and his supporters call any criticism of Trump "Fake News." Funny how similar both sides can be at times.
Nope. Anyone can fall for propaganda regardless of who they support.
I hope Trump is convicted, because he seems guilty.
Damn that hits a bit different doesn't it?
I never said Trump wasn't guilty. I don't like him either. I want to see that guy fail.
I'm just angry that the best we could do against an obvious threat to our country is someone who isn't mentally fit for anything, and people tell me if I don't like him, I must be a Nazi falling for propaganda.
The lesser of two evils is still evil. We need to do better than this.
I'm sure there's plenty of people ready to point out the many ways in which Chris Christie is a piece of shit. But I really do appreciate the way he's willing to actually confront others in his party and call them out on their bullshit. Even among Trumps critics and would be rivals, so many others are retiring, acquiescing, or just desperately tip toeing around the truth to avoid upsetting the flavor aid connoisseurs. But Christie is out their scolding the crowd like obnoxious little shits that they are.
And no, it won't change the minds of the people who are booing him, they already went off the deep end. But it may help shatter the illusion for those who are moving in that direction, who have been living an echo chamber, and who need someone to be the first to point out that the emperor has no clothes.
Nice one.
You gotta appreciate a Lemming who uses the actual product (flavor aid, not the misquoted Kool Aid).
My guess is he's playing the long game. With how these idiots mindlessly follow trump and must reshape their whole beliefs every time he contradicts the last one, Christie is just banking on them mindlessly shuffling to the next hypocritical stop on their train ride of bullshit. Christie probably thinks trump will fall far enough when the results of some of the trials start trickling in. He wants to position himself as the new savior they can worship. He expects them to ignore the previous few years of hate and vitriol they fomented and fall in line with the next guy.
I think they are stupid enough to do it.
I don’t think Christie expects to be an idol to these people, he just wants some political power.
I think Christie was someone who Trump wanted to be VP, until Trump's plane had 'maintenance' issues and Trump was forced to stick around for a meeting with Pence which was Manafort's pick for VP.
Then Christie was put to overseeing the transfer team, which Trump shut down and yelled at Christie because they raised so much money for the transition that Trump wanted for himself. Christie of course tried to explain the money was needed for a proper transfer but we all know how that went. There's an article about that bit for those that may not have seen it.
You know your campaign is rough when you're quoted as "Republican" instead of by name.
Funny enough either they changed the title or they decided his name was only worth it for the url link were actually says his name as part of the url path title.
"why are you booing me? I'm right."
The intersection of correctness and politics is a very, very small set.
This is the moment for the party to break Trump’s hold over them. A hold that’s going to continue to cause them to lose in the greater scale. And, because they’re cowardice as fuck, they’re choosing to chain themselves further to him.
Every single republican (outside of those 8 or so idiots in the house who would never) should unify in ousting him.
Nah. If for some reason Trump became unpopular (said vaccines work or something) these same people could come out tomorrow and say they never liked Trump and the base wouldn't care.
He actually did say that lol. And then he was booed. And then they all forgot about it. There's nothing permanent in their mindset, there's only what is maintained by endless repetition from their media sources.
Yes, Boo this man! And Boo anybody that wants to change this fact!
Fucking seriously. Let them implode.
Wow there’s another Republican who isn’t a cowardly pussy and capable of telling the truth.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson was loudly booed on Saturday after he told a Republican summit that there is "significant likelihood" that former President Donald Trump will be found guilty of a felony next year.
The former president has been facing a wave of legal scrutiny at both the state and federal levels by being indicted in four separate cases: two brought by Department of Justice (DOJ) special counsel Jack Smith, one by the Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, and another by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis in Georgia.
Trump has denied wrongdoing in all cases while claiming that all of his legal woes are part of an orchestrated "witch hunt" by his political enemies as he runs for president again in 2024.
While speaking at the Florida Freedom Summit, an event featuring presidential candidates like Hutchinson, the former governor cited his own experience as a prosecutor to predict the outcome of Trump's legal troubles.
As a party, we must support the rule of law, we cannot win as a country without integrity in the White House," Hutchinson added.
And it never makes America a better place, whether it's on a college campus in an Ivy League or whether it's in an auditorium in Orlando, for us to be booing and shouting down opinions we don't agree with."
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I hope Trump is convicted, because Democrats are happy with a racist lost Roomba with dementia in the White House thanks to him.
We need to do better than this.
Edit: So I'm told it isn't dementia and he always was that stupid and racist. Still don't like him or Trump.
Nice job buying the Republican talking point that Biden has dementia. Too bad there's absolutely no evidence of it. He's old. He does and says old person things. That doesn't mean he has dementia.
The "Biden dementia" thing comes from two places.
First is, Biden has a stutter. Everyone has known about it for his entire political career, and he's mostly overcome it, but every now and then he'll trip over a word. Right wing nutjobs will then scream that Biden can't form a coherent sentence, even though he can indeed do that.
The second source of the "Biden dementia" nonsense is projection/deflection. In the middle of Trump's presidency, there were some medical experts who started raising questions about Trump possibly having something along the lines of Frontotemporal dementia. Now, these were people without access to Trump's medical records or any records beyond videos of Trump, so there's a large grain of salt to be taken.
The basic argument was the Trump has a distinct stance, legs ramrod straight, but his torso leaning slightly forward. This is very common among people who suffer that type of dementia. His word choice has also tended to delve into the nonsensical more and more over the years, even if he's still able to string together a grammatically correct sounding sentence. Which is another sign of that particular strain of dementia.
The main argument against FTD is the seeming lack of apathy. FTD is a disease that robs you of your emotions.
The sub category of Semantic dementia might fit Trump better, but honestly, I think he's just a lazy conman who was never very smart in the first place.
This part is also projection to help them justify their own support of a self-proclaimed "stable genius" who is quoted as saying
Did you mean empathy instead of apathy?
No, they meant if he had FTD he’d be more apathetic, but he doesn’t appear to be that way, so maybe it’s something else.
Oh yeah, I read it again and that makes more sense now. Good call.
It can do that too, but how would you tell? He's always been a shitty person with no empathy.
But no, FTD tends to rob you of your emotional range. Feeling listless and apathetic is common.
This "dementia" bit needs to die. Call him old or stupid but pathologizing to something as severe as dementia hits me the same way as if you called him "retarded."
regarded?
No, "retarded."
When people want to call someone dumb so they call them retarded. I work with adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities and very much dislike both "dementia" and the word "retarded" being weaponized for the same reason.
Ah yes, the old, tired argument that if I don't like Biden, I must be a Trump supporter falling for propaganda. The guy is not coherent enough to be President, in my opinion. These 80 year olds need to get out of politics.
He is as coherent as he has been in the last 20 years. So yes, you are falling for propaganda. There is zero evidence that he has dementia.
Oh, so he really IS that stupid and racist? Good to know.
Ah, yes, the "Biden is racist" Republican talking point.
“the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean.” – Biden, referring to President Obama
“Poor kids are just as smart and talented as white kids!”
“It’s awful hard, as well, to get Latinx vaccinated as well. Why? They’re worried that they will be vaccinated and deported.”
“Unlike the African American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly different attitudes about different things.”
“That’s like saying you . . . before you got in this program, you’re take [sic] a test whether you’re taking cocaine or not. What do you think? Huh? Are you a junkie?” – Biden asking a Black reporter if he’s a cocaine junkie after the reporter asked if he had taken a cognitive test
“You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”
Um... some of these make you sound like the racist one.
Like suggesting that saying to a black reporter if they're a junkie it's racist as if only black people use cocaine or are junkies. That's you assuming that, not Biden.
And you are the one making the assumption about Latinx people: https://www.aamc.org/news/we-need-get-more-latinx-people-vaccinated-heres-how
Also, every single one of those is out of context and none of them are sourced.
Ah yes, the old "out of context" argument. You know damn well if any Republican said any one of those things, people would be out with the pitchforks. But because it's a Democrat, you're OK with it and blow it off as "out of context." Even though the guy didn't want his kids growing up in a "racial jungle" (his words, not mine).
If you can't look at your own side critically, you are what is wrong with this country.
So you're claiming context has no relevance to things people say? Really?
Because, again, without context, you're the one coming off as a racist.
NONE OF THIS IS OK IN ANY CONTEXT.
Really? Because, again, I provided you with a link to a Latina doctor who says her patients are vaccine hesitant because they fear deportation. So the truth is not okay?
Dude, I'm leftist as fuck. Hardcore. Biden is a disgrace and needs to be out. A broken clock is right twice a day, so even if home slice is GOP, he's not wrong.
We all can do better than this.
I'm leftist as fuck and I'll still vote for him because any other choice would be worse.
So will I. Doesn't mean we can't do better.
Trump proved that even crimes at the level of impeachment won't result in a successful removal.
2/3 of the senate is a pretty high bar to clear.
Impeachment does not require removing a president from office, that's just the maximum penalty. An impeachment is also not necessarily a breach of the law. I hate Trump as much as the next guy and his impeachments were absolutely deserved, but it wasn't like he somehow managed to stay in power after being impeached or anything. Even Nixon actually stepped down after his impeachment rather than being removed from office outright.
Nixon was never impeached.
I stand corrected, looks like he stepped down just before being impeached, then
Again, just another iteration in the “blue no matter who” loop. Again, it’s sad people allowed themselves to fall for the brainwashing/battered voter syndrome.
it’s sad that people allow themselves to fall for the disenfranchised voter syndrome
it’s reality mate… you get democrat or you get republican. with how first past the post mathematically works, that’s what you’re stuck with. deal with reality and vote the system or scream at the wall
The presence of mind to vote for the best option if it isn't a big two is a syndrome now?
Fuck it, man, call me a sick fucker then, because I'm betting the best option ain't gonna be red or blue this time either ... I'm voting for the most sensible and intelligent name on the ballot. Sure as fuck ain't gonna be trump, but biden has the fact that he isn't trump, and not much else...
3rd party in the US is almost certain to amount to nothkng given how game theory, the spoiler effect, defensive voting, the electoral college, and various other social and mathematical things come together
here’s a great series by CGP grey on why that is:
https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo
the reality is that a vote for 3rd party is the same outcome as not voting… its awful, but sadly that’s the way it is. if you want to vote 3rd party, you need to work to change the system somehow first
There's a ballot... it's a list of options... You go in, you pick out which is the best option.
It's YOUR vote, it's your choice.
You can decide your voice has to pick the ones that are gonna win, like it's a keno card.
You can decide that your voice is going to pick the little letter next to the name that identifies each option as belongings to the stupid little tribes.
You can declare which is best for you. You can declare which is best for the collective. You can declare which is the best option to get good leadership...
I tend towards the collective. I don't give a fuck who's going to win, I don't give a fuck about their tribe. I usually go in knowing what I'm gonna see for options and the general philosophy of each (fucking Google man, it's so much easier these days... there was a time when that took some leg work.).
The simple reality is that the best choice for the overall good is very rarely a winner. That's a damned shame, but it is what it is. The best I can do with that is to declare it with my vote. I'm not enabling shit, I'm not voting defensively, I'm not screwing up my keno card... I'm declaring which option is the best on the list in my opinion.
It should be that simple. It IS that simple for me. It could be that simple for you. Your vote, your voice, you can use it to state your own opinion and not whatever bullshit you're told you're stuck with.
I'm not saying people should vote a tribe, or game the system, I'm saying your vote should be your own.
but thats kinda the point: you SHOULD be able to pick the option that’s best for you, but in reality if that option isn’t 1 of the 2 major parties then it suffers from the spoiler effect and all that candidate does is pull votes from their closest competitor!
FPTP is fundamentally broken, and you can never choose 3rd party if you want your vote to matter… you said it’s a shame, and that’s true! but it’s also maths and sociology
it’s a fixable problem, but not with the system that exists in the US right now
The reality is you get overly or covertly fascist. Ftfy.
sure! totally agree… so the best vote is for not overtly fascist… you don’t solve this particular problem at the polls: you have to solve it some other way
and no, i don’t know how that is done but that’s just the reality… FPTP voting system leaves you no good options. you must either change the way the system works, or work outside the system
not voting of the lesser of the 2 options, right now, in this reality, gets you the worst outcome… and even worse, shifts BOTH options significantly worse for next time
I'm not disagreeing with the reality of FPTP, but I still have the first-amendment right to be angry at Biden. But with the way political discourse is going in this country, I can't criticize him without being written off as a Trump bootlicker. Fixing that is the first thing we need to do as a country.
You are being written off as a Trump bootlicker because you parrot Trump propaganda. Perhaps fixing your need to regurgitate Trump propaganda should be the first thing that needs fixing?
Ah, any criticism of Biden is "Trump propaganda." Gotta dismiss it with a bullshit term so you can feel like you won, huh?
Kinda like how Trump and his cult refer to any criticism of Trump as "fake news."
Funny how both Team Blue and Team Red do a lot of the same things and don't want to admit it.
Is it funny though?
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solid point
For real. My biggest issue with Biden and his supporters is that they pretend to be outraged at the stuff the Republicans do, while doing the same shit. Like bailing out the billionaires, overspending on military, and enabling the predatory healthcare system to continue to exist.
They have the same bosses, and it’s not us. Bandwagon fallacy or something.
Absolutely. And people here wonder why I think both sides are full of shit. George Carlin was right.
OK, who are you voting for, then?
I don’t know yet.
Is it tough playing a generic misinformed enlightened centrist? I get visions of Pagliacci only in your case it’s a bag of turds in clown makeup.
I wanted Sanders to win. Not Biden and not Trump. Is it really that difficult to comprehend?
You do know Sanders isn't running, right? He's also two years older than Biden, so why aren't you concerned he has dementia?
I'm talking about the last election, and he's far more coherent than Biden or Trump could ever hope to be.
Ah, so we've dropped the 'dementia' thing and are just going for 'coherency' now. I guess when someone suggests your elderly hero might also have dementia because of his advanced age, that's going too far.
Elderly hero? Please.
Hey, weren't you one of the people accusing me of being a Trump supporter?
Nope, I was accusing you of parroting Republican propaganda regardless of who you support.
That's a cop-out, just like how Trump and his supporters call any criticism of Trump "Fake News." Funny how similar both sides can be at times.
Nope. Anyone can fall for propaganda regardless of who they support.
Damn that hits a bit different doesn't it?
I never said Trump wasn't guilty. I don't like him either. I want to see that guy fail.
I'm just angry that the best we could do against an obvious threat to our country is someone who isn't mentally fit for anything, and people tell me if I don't like him, I must be a Nazi falling for propaganda.
The lesser of two evils is still evil. We need to do better than this.
If Trump is out of the picture the Democrats can finally have a healthy primary. Good riddance.