Just to get a feeling of how fucking dumb I think you are if you actually stand behind this dumbass.
After several recent gaffes — including getting Sioux City, Iowa, mixed up with Sioux Falls, South Dakota, in a speech last week as he drummed up support ahead of the Iowa primary — Mr Trump took fewer missteps in his Florida address.
But he did again repeat that Victor Orban's Hungary bordered on Russia, which it does not. The countries are about 1,000 kilometres apart at their closest point.
In a previous speech, he said Mr Orban was the leader of Turkey.
You think that’s a great choice to lead anything? It’s not even funny to make fun of you, because you are literally mentally handicapped.
I would bet my actual life that asshole didn’t win Massachusetts.
Same here in NY - although the rural areas of NY are extremely Trumpy and red.
From MA:
I confess, I voted for Cheeto Chimp in '16. A) I knew it was meaningless. B) If, he won, I would've bet that established D.C. would have kept the dimwit in check.
What a nightmare. I can at least sleep at night knowing my vote didn't put him in the WH.
“ I don’t get it. They say I lost but I won the most states. All the states, 53 in all. The greatest victory ever and they stole it from me, from you. The greatest victory by the greatest president!”
It's very sad that I can't tell if this quote is real or not
Yeaaah... I mean after "Defending our airports from the British in 1776" and "I was there in New York on 7/11"
Wouldn't put it past him
Haha, I had to go back and watch that one again.
After he says "our army manned the air" it for a second could seem like he realized his mistake, then he doubles down and talks about how "it took over the airports".
I wonder if that might sound better if he said it as, "I don't get it. They say I won, but I lost the most states. All the states, 53 in all. The greatest loss ever and they haven't stole it from me, from you. The greatest loss by the lousiest president!"
Whenever Trump utters a new completely bogus lie, I don’t think about him at all. Instead I think about his voters and wonder if there is any falsehood he could utter that would cause them to change their minds about him. It’s still hard for me to accept the idea that so many people think this is acceptable behavior in the final analysis. I know many Trump voters say that they don’t like Trump or approve of his lies, but they still claim he’s better than any Democrat due to his policies and strident action to support them. It really is a strong man appeal, and none of them seem to be able to see how letting this become the new precedent for their party will damage not just the Republican platform in the long run but the entire American political system.
I can see a future in which Gen Z or their children elect a similarly unhinged president who tries to ban organized religion or selectively deny federal funding to red states or some other nonsense. When the shoe is on the other foot, oh the cries of injustice these same Trumpers will make.
We are all so fucked. Glad my life is already 50% over. Future generations have my condolences.
Instead I think about his voters and wonder if there is any falsehood he could utter that would cause them to change their minds about him.
Exactly: the point of this kind of blatantly outrageous lie isn't actually to try to convince anybody of anything; it's to act as a fascist purity test. The goal is to force everyone either to sink deeper into the cult of personality by knowingly accepting and thus sharing in the lie, which introduces even more cognitive dissonance and makes it that much harder for them to break free in the future, or to out themselves as an enemy so that they can be purged.
...president who tries to ban organized religion or selectively deny federal funding to red states...
Now this is a platform I can support!
Then you're part of the problem. You object to extremism on the Right, but favor it on the Left. I'm finding this is pretty typical of the average Lemmy user, sadly.
Welcome to the the fallacy that is the US political landscape, every anti-right view is a pro-left view and vice versa. This is the outcome of a two-party system. If you think this is stupid you should be a supporter of proportional representation and in favor of the abolishment of the two-party system.
We've had a two-party system for a long time without politics being this polarized, so I can't chalk it up to just that, but I acknowledge it's a factor. I am for a third+ party option and proportional representation, obviously. However, I also just think extremists of any stripe regard anyone who isn't them as extremists of another stripe and can't wrap their minds around the concept of political moderation.
One of the issue with a two-party system is that all it takes is one side to polarize the issues. Once it's polarized there's no political moderation because it devolves into "us vs them". The opposing parties must take the opposite sides on political views and the common folk are either "with us or against us". It's pretty clear with the republican voter base that even if they don't agree with the republican party (as evident from Roe vs Wade) they will still vote republican, because they have to accept the majority of the democratic base to change their vote. The two-party system is bound to extremism the moment one of the parties decides to turn to extremist, you either toe the party line or you essentially do a 180 on you political views. You can't have political moderation when one side decides to polarize issues. And that's where the benefits of proportional representation come to light, because one party can't just radicalize the entire political system. If one political party turns too extremist for your views you can find (or create) adjacent parties to support.
You are confusing resistance as "extremism".
Both sides are not the same. One side is fascist. The other side can politely complain about it or can resist by taking action. Fascism has never been defeated without action. Marginalizing conservatism is marginalizing fascism.
Do not defend fascists. They neither need nor want your defense.
I'm not confusing anything. Communism is just as bad as fascism and just as authoritarian, and yet most Lemmies support it. I don't want the Far Left in charge any more than I want the Far Right in charge. You're defending someone who is calling for a ban on organized religion and funding to States with majority conservative voters. That's extreme and if you can't see it, then I'm inclined to think you're just cut from the same extremist cloth. Sad.
What does communism have to do with anything at all? I think you are using boogie man words to try to defend a weak argument. No one here has said anything about communism. Can you define communism? Define it. Go ahead. And then explain what it has to do with anything we are talking about.
No matter how you frame it, there is nothing extreme about resisting extremism. Conservatives are extremists. Resisting conservatism is the appropriate and moral thing to do.
Thank you for illustrating how every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.
Conservatives are extremists.
Thank you for illustrating how every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.
LOL, I'm not a conservative, but you just demonstrated you're an extremist. I have learned not to bother debating anything with extremists. I brought up Communism, because most Lemmies support it, and I'm not just talking about the Tankies. I'm done with you now.
Everyone talks like that online, but I doubt there’s anything there. Most of us who vent frustrations about the self-destructive authoritarians elected by what must be extremely gullible voters, are also likely to vote for more aid to their children than they vote for, more support for their public health, more support for education, technology and science in their regions than they do, more income for their most desperate, more safety net for their citizens who fall, better healthcare for their infirm, more investment in their future than they do, etc.
Like…it’s been fuckin YEARS you pathetic sad sack. No one gives a fuck anymore. Even his own supporters aren’t as gung ho because…it’s been fuckin years. It’s hard to get people excited to vote for you when you won’t shut the fuck up about the election four goddamn years ago.
To be fair, I still bitch about the 2000 election, and I’m not even Al Gore
Yeah but he moved on to ManBearPig.
He's like half orange, half manchild.
No no, it's like more half orangeman, half child.
Are you totally cereal?
Truth doesn’t matter. Truth is their enemy.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA from a state that Republicans never win
Considering he knew exactly how many votes he needed to win Georgia, couldn't this be used against him in court?
I wonder at which point of his ridiculous lies Republican voters will (secretly?) clue in.
no need to waste brain cycles wondering.
they won't.
If they're not using their brains, why would I waste mine?
Rejecting reality in favor of their leader's claims, no matter how ridiculous, is how fascist prove their loyalty.
I'd like to point out that even Ronald Fucking Reagan didn't win all 50 against Mondale. He lost Minnesota.
"Reagan won a landslide re-election victory, carrying 525 electoral votes, 49 states, and 58.8 percent of the popular vote. Mondale won 13 electoral votes from the District of Columbia, which has always voted overwhelming for the Democratic candidate, and his home state of Minnesota by a 0.18% margin."
Imagine a Republican winning Minnesota.
What's the word on Minnesota? Honestly have no idea.
The last R to take a win there was Nixon. They're the most reliably blue state in Presidential elections (but every four years Republicans think they're going to take it. I mean eventually they'll have to get it, but so far it hasn't turned out in their favor.
Gotcha, thanks for the information.
He won every state as long as you don't count all of the states he lost.
Obviously those aren't real Americans.
Interesting how politicians can say absolutely whatever they want even if that undermines the integrity of the country they want to rule over
could someone [in the court process] request a mental evaluation to determine if he is even competent to be found guilty? hes clearly off his rocker, and a potential danger to himself and others!
This will happen if sentencing involves jail time.
They already did that and he passed it with flying colors! "Person, woman, man, camera, TV."
Donald Trump has claimed that he won all 50 states in the 2020 US election at a Florida event where two of his rivals for the Republican presidential primaries were booed for suggesting the party should dump the former president before his legal woes catch up with him.
He is set to testify on Monday at his New York civil fraud trial, related to his business dealings in the state, after two of his children took to the witness stand last week.
Earlier in the evening, former state governors Asa Hutchinson and Chris Christie urged the party to move past Mr Trump — ahead of the latter's criminal and civil trials — to boost its chances of winning the 2024 election.
Former New Jersey governor Chris Christie, a one-time friend and advisor who has become Mr Trump's most vocal Republican critic, having broken with the ex-TV reality star after the 2020 election, was also booed by the audience and heckled as a "loser" and a "traitor".
Florida will also be the venue for the third presidential debate in Miami on Wednesday, which Mr Trump is again expected to skip, holding his own, alternative event.
The state's governor, Ron DeSantis, who is considered Mr Trump's closest challenger but with a meagre 14 per cent support, failed to land a punch on the man who once endorsed him but has since become a political enemy.
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ahhh american election time, the period where the party (that pretends they are definitely two different ones unlike evil china) participates in a lying contest with each other until the brainwashed populace are manipulated into pretending that their voice matters
Disclaimer: I am not a Trumper but I also don't like out of context propaganda. Let him lose on his own merits because he will.
Where is the rest of the context on this? To me it sounds like he's saying "we won all 50 states, then we did well in the election". It sounds to me like he might be talking about winning all 50 states in the primaries. Which he did.
Now, the idea that he won the election by 12 million votes is obviously a load of shit. Maybe he's rambling in circles as always and meant to say that he won the primaries by a total of 12 million votes?
He's said this before. He literally thinks that he won in every state (even solid blue ones like New York and California), but that the Democrats rigged the election to make him lose.
Trump did not win all 50 states in the GOP primaries. In 2016. Cruz won Texas and a handful of other Midwestern and non-coastal western states; Kasich won his home state of Ohio, and Marco Rubio won in Minnesota.
In 2020, in some states, the GOP didn't even bother holding primaries or caucuses. States like Kansas, Nevada, SC, cancelled public voting in primaries and caucuses after the RNC pledged its undivided support to Trump in back February of that year. So Trump didn't really "win" primaries in "all 50 states" in 2020 either, because primaries were not held in all 50 states.
That’s the thing about trump, nobody knows what the fuck he’s talking about including trump
Maybe he meant that or maybe his big lie is getting so big that he's jumped the shark. Either way, Trump should learn how to share a coherent thought if he's going to run his fucking mouth 24/7. It's not our job to figure out how to decode his demented ramblings.
Is this literally the first thing you've ever heard Trump say or something?
Have you read the article?
Every time Trump opens his gob and lets out a brain fart, someone has to come out and say it actually wasn't a fart at all but instead the seat leather.
The guy's a fucking narcissistic moron who wants to convince himself by convincing everyone else that he didn't lose to Joe fucking Biden in 2020. Which he did. Bigly, in fact.
It is insane to think that someone won in a 100%, simple as that, that is the context.
Just to get a feeling of how fucking dumb I think you are if you actually stand behind this dumbass.
You think that’s a great choice to lead anything? It’s not even funny to make fun of you, because you are literally mentally handicapped.
I would bet my actual life that asshole didn’t win Massachusetts.
Lol, yeah. Safe bet.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election_in_Massachusetts
"So what you're saying is that I really won Massachusetts by 65% and they just flipped the Biden and Trump votes!"
Please let him say this. I'm sure Dominion and Smartmatic would love to rehash their legal arguments with Trump as the defendant.
Same here in NY - although the rural areas of NY are extremely Trumpy and red.
From MA:
I confess, I voted for Cheeto Chimp in '16. A) I knew it was meaningless. B) If, he won, I would've bet that established D.C. would have kept the dimwit in check.
What a nightmare. I can at least sleep at night knowing my vote didn't put him in the WH.
I assume Trump has zero grasp of metric distances, so he might think 1000km is close.
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“ I don’t get it. They say I lost but I won the most states. All the states, 53 in all. The greatest victory ever and they stole it from me, from you. The greatest victory by the greatest president!”
It's very sad that I can't tell if this quote is real or not
Yeaaah... I mean after "Defending our airports from the British in 1776" and "I was there in New York on 7/11"
Wouldn't put it past him
Haha, I had to go back and watch that one again.
After he says "our army manned the air" it for a second could seem like he realized his mistake, then he doubles down and talks about how "it took over the airports".
Source
Lol "Ford McHenry"
This.
ChatGPT hallucinates less than Trump.
Neurosyphilis is wild
I wonder if that might sound better if he said it as, "I don't get it. They say I won, but I lost the most states. All the states, 53 in all. The greatest loss ever and they haven't stole it from me, from you. The greatest loss by the lousiest president!"
Whenever Trump utters a new completely bogus lie, I don’t think about him at all. Instead I think about his voters and wonder if there is any falsehood he could utter that would cause them to change their minds about him. It’s still hard for me to accept the idea that so many people think this is acceptable behavior in the final analysis. I know many Trump voters say that they don’t like Trump or approve of his lies, but they still claim he’s better than any Democrat due to his policies and strident action to support them. It really is a strong man appeal, and none of them seem to be able to see how letting this become the new precedent for their party will damage not just the Republican platform in the long run but the entire American political system.
I can see a future in which Gen Z or their children elect a similarly unhinged president who tries to ban organized religion or selectively deny federal funding to red states or some other nonsense. When the shoe is on the other foot, oh the cries of injustice these same Trumpers will make.
We are all so fucked. Glad my life is already 50% over. Future generations have my condolences.
Exactly: the point of this kind of blatantly outrageous lie isn't actually to try to convince anybody of anything; it's to act as a fascist purity test. The goal is to force everyone either to sink deeper into the cult of personality by knowingly accepting and thus sharing in the lie, which introduces even more cognitive dissonance and makes it that much harder for them to break free in the future, or to out themselves as an enemy so that they can be purged.
Now this is a platform I can support!
Then you're part of the problem. You object to extremism on the Right, but favor it on the Left. I'm finding this is pretty typical of the average Lemmy user, sadly.
Welcome to the the fallacy that is the US political landscape, every anti-right view is a pro-left view and vice versa. This is the outcome of a two-party system. If you think this is stupid you should be a supporter of proportional representation and in favor of the abolishment of the two-party system.
We've had a two-party system for a long time without politics being this polarized, so I can't chalk it up to just that, but I acknowledge it's a factor. I am for a third+ party option and proportional representation, obviously. However, I also just think extremists of any stripe regard anyone who isn't them as extremists of another stripe and can't wrap their minds around the concept of political moderation.
One of the issue with a two-party system is that all it takes is one side to polarize the issues. Once it's polarized there's no political moderation because it devolves into "us vs them". The opposing parties must take the opposite sides on political views and the common folk are either "with us or against us". It's pretty clear with the republican voter base that even if they don't agree with the republican party (as evident from Roe vs Wade) they will still vote republican, because they have to accept the majority of the democratic base to change their vote. The two-party system is bound to extremism the moment one of the parties decides to turn to extremist, you either toe the party line or you essentially do a 180 on you political views. You can't have political moderation when one side decides to polarize issues. And that's where the benefits of proportional representation come to light, because one party can't just radicalize the entire political system. If one political party turns too extremist for your views you can find (or create) adjacent parties to support.
You are confusing resistance as "extremism".
Both sides are not the same. One side is fascist. The other side can politely complain about it or can resist by taking action. Fascism has never been defeated without action. Marginalizing conservatism is marginalizing fascism.
Do not defend fascists. They neither need nor want your defense.
I'm not confusing anything. Communism is just as bad as fascism and just as authoritarian, and yet most Lemmies support it. I don't want the Far Left in charge any more than I want the Far Right in charge. You're defending someone who is calling for a ban on organized religion and funding to States with majority conservative voters. That's extreme and if you can't see it, then I'm inclined to think you're just cut from the same extremist cloth. Sad.
What does communism have to do with anything at all? I think you are using boogie man words to try to defend a weak argument. No one here has said anything about communism. Can you define communism? Define it. Go ahead. And then explain what it has to do with anything we are talking about.
No matter how you frame it, there is nothing extreme about resisting extremism. Conservatives are extremists. Resisting conservatism is the appropriate and moral thing to do.
Thank you for illustrating how every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every word.
LOL, I'm not a conservative, but you just demonstrated you're an extremist. I have learned not to bother debating anything with extremists. I brought up Communism, because most Lemmies support it, and I'm not just talking about the Tankies. I'm done with you now.
You should listen
Everyone talks like that online, but I doubt there’s anything there. Most of us who vent frustrations about the self-destructive authoritarians elected by what must be extremely gullible voters, are also likely to vote for more aid to their children than they vote for, more support for their public health, more support for education, technology and science in their regions than they do, more income for their most desperate, more safety net for their citizens who fall, better healthcare for their infirm, more investment in their future than they do, etc.
“Hillary Clinton is actually a good person.”
LOL, fair point.
Somehow there are people who don't feel like Trump is insulting their intelligence with the whoppers he tells.
"He's saying exactly what I want to hear! Of course it's true!"
Conservatives are not intelligent enough to have their intelligence insulted.
What intelligence
In your dreams, Donnie.
Like…it’s been fuckin YEARS you pathetic sad sack. No one gives a fuck anymore. Even his own supporters aren’t as gung ho because…it’s been fuckin years. It’s hard to get people excited to vote for you when you won’t shut the fuck up about the election four goddamn years ago.
To be fair, I still bitch about the 2000 election, and I’m not even Al Gore
Yeah but he moved on to ManBearPig.
He's like half orange, half manchild.
No no, it's like more half orangeman, half child.
Are you totally cereal?
Truth doesn’t matter. Truth is their enemy.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA from a state that Republicans never win
Considering he knew exactly how many votes he needed to win Georgia, couldn't this be used against him in court?
I wonder at which point of his ridiculous lies Republican voters will (secretly?) clue in.
no need to waste brain cycles wondering.
they won't.
If they're not using their brains, why would I waste mine?
Rejecting reality in favor of their leader's claims, no matter how ridiculous, is how fascist prove their loyalty.
I'd like to point out that even Ronald Fucking Reagan didn't win all 50 against Mondale. He lost Minnesota.
"Reagan won a landslide re-election victory, carrying 525 electoral votes, 49 states, and 58.8 percent of the popular vote. Mondale won 13 electoral votes from the District of Columbia, which has always voted overwhelming for the Democratic candidate, and his home state of Minnesota by a 0.18% margin."
Imagine a Republican winning Minnesota.
What's the word on Minnesota? Honestly have no idea.
The last R to take a win there was Nixon. They're the most reliably blue state in Presidential elections (but every four years Republicans think they're going to take it. I mean eventually they'll have to get it, but so far it hasn't turned out in their favor.
Gotcha, thanks for the information.
He won every state as long as you don't count all of the states he lost.
Obviously those aren't real Americans.
Interesting how politicians can say absolutely whatever they want even if that undermines the integrity of the country they want to rule over
could someone [in the court process] request a mental evaluation to determine if he is even competent to be found guilty? hes clearly off his rocker, and a potential danger to himself and others!
This will happen if sentencing involves jail time.
They already did that and he passed it with flying colors! "Person, woman, man, camera, TV."
Fucking delusional.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Donald Trump has claimed that he won all 50 states in the 2020 US election at a Florida event where two of his rivals for the Republican presidential primaries were booed for suggesting the party should dump the former president before his legal woes catch up with him.
He is set to testify on Monday at his New York civil fraud trial, related to his business dealings in the state, after two of his children took to the witness stand last week.
Earlier in the evening, former state governors Asa Hutchinson and Chris Christie urged the party to move past Mr Trump — ahead of the latter's criminal and civil trials — to boost its chances of winning the 2024 election.
Former New Jersey governor Chris Christie, a one-time friend and advisor who has become Mr Trump's most vocal Republican critic, having broken with the ex-TV reality star after the 2020 election, was also booed by the audience and heckled as a "loser" and a "traitor".
Florida will also be the venue for the third presidential debate in Miami on Wednesday, which Mr Trump is again expected to skip, holding his own, alternative event.
The state's governor, Ron DeSantis, who is considered Mr Trump's closest challenger but with a meagre 14 per cent support, failed to land a punch on the man who once endorsed him but has since become a political enemy.
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ahhh american election time, the period where the party (that pretends they are definitely two different ones unlike evil china) participates in a lying contest with each other until the brainwashed populace are manipulated into pretending that their voice matters
Disclaimer: I am not a Trumper but I also don't like out of context propaganda. Let him lose on his own merits because he will.
Where is the rest of the context on this? To me it sounds like he's saying "we won all 50 states, then we did well in the election". It sounds to me like he might be talking about winning all 50 states in the primaries. Which he did.
Now, the idea that he won the election by 12 million votes is obviously a load of shit. Maybe he's rambling in circles as always and meant to say that he won the primaries by a total of 12 million votes?
He's said this before. He literally thinks that he won in every state (even solid blue ones like New York and California), but that the Democrats rigged the election to make him lose.
Trump did not win all 50 states in the GOP primaries. In 2016. Cruz won Texas and a handful of other Midwestern and non-coastal western states; Kasich won his home state of Ohio, and Marco Rubio won in Minnesota.
In 2020, in some states, the GOP didn't even bother holding primaries or caucuses. States like Kansas, Nevada, SC, cancelled public voting in primaries and caucuses after the RNC pledged its undivided support to Trump in back February of that year. So Trump didn't really "win" primaries in "all 50 states" in 2020 either, because primaries were not held in all 50 states.
That’s the thing about trump, nobody knows what the fuck he’s talking about including trump
Maybe he meant that or maybe his big lie is getting so big that he's jumped the shark. Either way, Trump should learn how to share a coherent thought if he's going to run his fucking mouth 24/7. It's not our job to figure out how to decode his demented ramblings.
Is this literally the first thing you've ever heard Trump say or something?
Have you read the article?
Every time Trump opens his gob and lets out a brain fart, someone has to come out and say it actually wasn't a fart at all but instead the seat leather.
The guy's a fucking narcissistic moron who wants to convince himself by convincing everyone else that he didn't lose to Joe fucking Biden in 2020. Which he did. Bigly, in fact.
It is insane to think that someone won in a 100%, simple as that, that is the context.