I wouldn't call it "thinking". Conservatives react more than anything. They react to progress (--> hate), change (--> hate) and things they're not familiar with (--> hate). They don't pro-actively think per se.
There used to be a difference between conservative and reactionary
(Citation needed)
They were wrong, of course, but it wasn't that long ago that economic conservatives were a thing - the majority, even. Now the culture war brain rot they had to deploy to deflect from how ineffective things like trickle-down economics are have consumed them completely.
How far back do I have to go to find non bigoted Conservatives? Iike to watch old cspan debates as far back as the 90s with Gingrich it was already hate, fear and culture war. I'm trying to find these mythical Conservatives that want to balance the budget without discriminating or putting some minority group down...
Tl:dr: the non-bigoted conservatives died when the last of the non-culture-war messaging did.
Depends on how you slice it.
From a consequential standpoint, conservatives are and basically alway have been bigoted.
If you're looking at people who know their vote has bigoted outcomes, but don't care and are motivated by other things, that's probably the majority historically.
If you're asking if people are being intentionally bigoted, when the conservative messaging is now exclusively culture war nonsense, they're the overwhelming majority today.
I'd say that a reasonable portion, potentially the majority of your McCain and Romney voters were well intentioned - wrong, but we'll intentioned.
There's also a bloc of voters that will vote conservative because they always have - no thought whatsoever - the dems are worse. Why? Shrug
I think it's now impossible to be a good person and vote conservative - you'd need to somehow ignore everything they say and do to vote blindly, which is bad in and if itself.
I knew a hardcore Maga conservative once, this is very accurate to how they behaved, they really hate everyone, they just pretend to care about certain people so they can put down others.
And that includes children.
I've heard that a lot of them tend to me very harmful to children, and not just the old fashioned conservative authoritarian families or mistreatment of trans kids, like a lot of them exploit children into being intimate with them 🤮. The irony is they try to say that queer and trans people are groomers but the real groomers are them. They are hardcore projecting.
My mom fell hard into Qanon in 2019, and it was crazy how she just flat-out stopped having any opinions of her own. We were never close, but we were at least able to have the occasional conversation before that, but now any attempt to talk to her immediately turns into her reciting something she saw on youtube. I can't remember the last time she said anything to anyone that didn't start with "So my videos said..."
Conservatives: get a job you homeless, like all the hard working people.
Workers: so you care about workers rights and a fair living wage?
Conservatives: get out of here with your socialism.....
And the list continues
You can go further.
So you care about your kids? Spare the rod spool the child
So you care about yourself? Health food/healthy living is gay
And MAGA didn't do it to them they've always been like this. Trump just talks exactly like they do on Facebook. Verbatim. Theyre worshipping themselves when they worship Trump.
That last sentence is illuminating. I hadn't thought about it that way before.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
So you care about Trump? HE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE THIS COUNTRY!
So you care about the country?
Of course I care about the country,so long as I can strip anyone of their rights, keep as many people as possible away from healthcare, and make sure as many people as possible are working grueling hours for as little pay as possible.
MAGoos will spend hours lauding veterans, then spend twice as much time lauding the guy who says he 'likes soldiers who don't get captured.'
And also vote for those who want to purge their VA benefits.
That's one more thing to hate about the GOP. Almost any list of lies and backstabbing of their own base is going to feel underdone.
It's almost as if it's not about the actual problems
Make America Gay Again
Gaslight. Obstruct. Project. Ladies and gentlemen and everyone in between, this is what GOP truly means.
a- and ppl who aren't on the binary spectrum?🥺🥺
(i feel the need to point out that non-binary does not necessairily mean "in between". i appreciate that u tried tho <3)
I didn't know that would be offensive. I really didn't. I thought my comment was inclusive to everyone. Can anyone tell me how to be more tactful with my words in the future?
I have very good friends who identify as their true selves in so many ways and I love them all dearly. It would crush me if I don't learn something from this. To me, a is part of the category I was attempting to include.
To me, a is part of the category I was attempting to include
I could be wrong (and I hope @riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone will correct me if I am), but I don't think "a" is a category. I think they were simulating a stutter. The "a- and ppl" is (I think) meant to be pausing and restarting the word "and" halfway through.
I thought it was short for asexual :-/ still learning new things
As an Asexual, can confirm, they're just making a joke with a text based stutter, not referring to Asexual or Agender, such as in "LGBTQIA+" that generally refers to multiple things under the "A".
In the latter case, it's left open ended for inclusivity, rather than arbitrarily excluding other things by specifying.
As for how the original comment could possibly be more inclusive, it's harder to say exactly, but I can think of something like "Ladies, Gentlemen, and everyone else", but I'm not exactly great at fancy words... or words in general... but I try my best.
Asexual usually gets shortened to "ace" I believe.
Ace is the term I'm familiar with, too. I just didn't want to be left in the dark if there was an even more abbreviated version of the abbreviation.
Probably "third people" is an appropriate term. Like, in the cold war, there was "first" world and "second" world (not discussing which is which), but then there were bystanding parties not participating in the conflict. They used to be called "third world countries". Happy to help
I see what you mean, though I would probably make the same mistake myself without thinking it through.
What would be a better way to address "everyone"?
this is a little difficult, as social awareness for nonbinary ppl is still developing and we especially dont have a lot of established formal or fancy ways to address/include them.
a few small things i have learned/picked up over time:
don't try to define all nonbinary identities in relation to the mainstream genders.
example:
ladies, gentlemen and everyone inbetween
--> ladies, gentlemen and people of all other identities
--> ladies, gentlemen and everyone else
explanation:
some nonbinary identities (genders or not) can be defined in relation to men and women but this is not true for all of them. something like "and inbetween" or "all around them" is therefore not fully inclusive and might even imply an underlying ignorance, which could make ppl feel unseen and misunderstood.
try not to seperate into genders at all
example:
ladies, gentlemen and people of all other identities
--> everyone
--> people of all identities
explanation:
something like "ladies, gentlemen and everyone else" ends up reducing all nonbinary genders into one "everyone else" while the two mainstream genders get named directly. this implies that nonbinary identities are less important to the speaker. it's ofc impossible to name all identities individually, so when trying to address everyone, i would try to not seperate into genders at all.
dont think of nonbinary identities as necessairily genders
example:
ladies, gentlemen and people of all other genders
--> ladies, gentlemen and people of all other identities
--> ladies, gentlement and non-binary folk
explanation:
the nonbinary umbrella does, next to nonbinary genders, also include people without a gender (agender). so if we try to address everyone by simply including all genders, we might still forget agender people.
sowy for the wall of text. i went all out with formatting in the hope that that might make it more readable.
this is all just my personal perspective and i pwobably didnt get everything right myself. i hope it can still help other ppl be more inclusive :3
All of this is one reason why I find myself using 'fellow humans' as a form of address. Yeah, it sounds like you're an alien overlord in a skin suit, but it's 100% inclusive.
That and (to get all hippy about it) it's a consciousness shifting exercise - refuse divisions when they're not necessary for a specific discussion, think at the level of shared humanity as the default.
This is really great, I appreciate this a lot!
Or you could just do, "hey everyone" and sidestep the whole problem.
basically point 2 in my powerpoint presentation x3
My friend is a journalist who covers right wing extremism and talks to these people all the time. He says the thing they all have in common is they're all dumb as a bag of hammers.
You are safer in a toilet with a trans person than a conservative politician
They outsource their conscience with predicable results.
The con sun on Reddit seems to agree with muslims a lot, they are even aware of “the good” the terrorists do.
They just don’t want to see or interact with them
I don't understand what you mean by "con sun." I also don't quite know what you mean by, "'the good,' the terrorists do." Terrorists can do good, but usually don't. The groups that spawn the terrorists usually have genuine grievances, but the organizations aren't always interested in addressing those grievances as much as they want to be the rulers. That's the case with Hamas, an organization that's been supported by genocidal zionists since its inception. Hamas is almost controlled opposition.
Con subreddit but autocorrect
The good as in harming the people they don’t like
Could have just left it blank.
That's actually a dangerous thing to do. They aren't stupid, they just invested their intelligence into manipulating social systems, including the debate method humans use to resolve disputes, to secure dominance over other people.
Remember those bullies who brutalized you when you all were little? That was just the fascist cultists letting their kids use you for target practice. They've been doing it since they were little kids and were not only supported by their parents, but were taught how.
It's dangerous to write them off as simple country bumpkins.
Hit back. You're allowed to finish fights, just don't start them.
Haters gon hate
Seems accurate.
The difference is something I call "selective collectivism". The pulse shooting means that Muslims are a problem. One trans shooter means that we need an answer to "the trans question". But when white conservatives commit more domestic terrorism than all other groups combined and even gather under a banner that says "we are all domestic terrorists", neither white people nor conservatives will ever be expected to answer for a "domestic terrorism problem". Men make up the vast majority of violent criminals, but to suggest that masculinity needs to examine itself and find a better way forward prompts immediate massive backlash. Is the latest outrage indicative of an entire class of people with deep-seated, fundamental problems or is it yet another lone wolf and absolutely not a reflection on the culture that created it? Depends. Do I personally like the villain?
I wouldn't call it "thinking". Conservatives react more than anything. They react to progress (--> hate), change (--> hate) and things they're not familiar with (--> hate). They don't pro-actively think per se.
There used to be a difference between conservative and reactionary
(Citation needed)
They were wrong, of course, but it wasn't that long ago that economic conservatives were a thing - the majority, even. Now the culture war brain rot they had to deploy to deflect from how ineffective things like trickle-down economics are have consumed them completely.
How far back do I have to go to find non bigoted Conservatives? Iike to watch old cspan debates as far back as the 90s with Gingrich it was already hate, fear and culture war. I'm trying to find these mythical Conservatives that want to balance the budget without discriminating or putting some minority group down...
Tl:dr: the non-bigoted conservatives died when the last of the non-culture-war messaging did.
Depends on how you slice it.
From a consequential standpoint, conservatives are and basically alway have been bigoted.
If you're looking at people who know their vote has bigoted outcomes, but don't care and are motivated by other things, that's probably the majority historically.
If you're asking if people are being intentionally bigoted, when the conservative messaging is now exclusively culture war nonsense, they're the overwhelming majority today.
I'd say that a reasonable portion, potentially the majority of your McCain and Romney voters were well intentioned - wrong, but we'll intentioned.
There's also a bloc of voters that will vote conservative because they always have - no thought whatsoever - the dems are worse. Why? Shrug
I think it's now impossible to be a good person and vote conservative - you'd need to somehow ignore everything they say and do to vote blindly, which is bad in and if itself.
Yes, self deception
Yeah that was it! Where'd that go?
I knew a hardcore Maga conservative once, this is very accurate to how they behaved, they really hate everyone, they just pretend to care about certain people so they can put down others.
And that includes children.
I've heard that a lot of them tend to me very harmful to children, and not just the old fashioned conservative authoritarian families or mistreatment of trans kids, like a lot of them exploit children into being intimate with them 🤮. The irony is they try to say that queer and trans people are groomers but the real groomers are them. They are hardcore projecting.
My mom fell hard into Qanon in 2019, and it was crazy how she just flat-out stopped having any opinions of her own. We were never close, but we were at least able to have the occasional conversation before that, but now any attempt to talk to her immediately turns into her reciting something she saw on youtube. I can't remember the last time she said anything to anyone that didn't start with "So my videos said..."
Conservatives: get a job you homeless, like all the hard working people. Workers: so you care about workers rights and a fair living wage? Conservatives: get out of here with your socialism..... And the list continues
You can go further.
So you care about your kids? Spare the rod spool the child
So you care about yourself? Health food/healthy living is gay
And MAGA didn't do it to them they've always been like this. Trump just talks exactly like they do on Facebook. Verbatim. Theyre worshipping themselves when they worship Trump.
That last sentence is illuminating. I hadn't thought about it that way before.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
So you care about Trump? HE'S THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE THIS COUNTRY!
So you care about the country?
Of course I care about the country,so long as I can strip anyone of their rights, keep as many people as possible away from healthcare, and make sure as many people as possible are working grueling hours for as little pay as possible.
spool the child? turbocharge the children??
Representatives gonna represent.
I wish that was only the MAGA cultists.
MAGoos will spend hours lauding veterans, then spend twice as much time lauding the guy who says he 'likes soldiers who don't get captured.'
And also vote for those who want to purge their VA benefits.
That's one more thing to hate about the GOP. Almost any list of lies and backstabbing of their own base is going to feel underdone.
It's almost as if it's not about the actual problems
Make America Gay Again
Gaslight. Obstruct. Project. Ladies and gentlemen and everyone in between, this is what GOP truly means.
a- and ppl who aren't on the binary spectrum?🥺🥺
(i feel the need to point out that non-binary does not necessairily mean "in between". i appreciate that u tried tho <3)
I didn't know that would be offensive. I really didn't. I thought my comment was inclusive to everyone. Can anyone tell me how to be more tactful with my words in the future?
I have very good friends who identify as their true selves in so many ways and I love them all dearly. It would crush me if I don't learn something from this. To me, a is part of the category I was attempting to include.
I could be wrong (and I hope @riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone will correct me if I am), but I don't think "a" is a category. I think they were simulating a stutter. The "a- and ppl" is (I think) meant to be pausing and restarting the word "and" halfway through.
I thought it was short for asexual :-/ still learning new things
As an Asexual, can confirm, they're just making a joke with a text based stutter, not referring to Asexual or Agender, such as in "LGBTQIA+" that generally refers to multiple things under the "A".
In the latter case, it's left open ended for inclusivity, rather than arbitrarily excluding other things by specifying.
As for how the original comment could possibly be more inclusive, it's harder to say exactly, but I can think of something like "Ladies, Gentlemen, and everyone else", but I'm not exactly great at fancy words... or words in general... but I try my best.
Asexual usually gets shortened to "ace" I believe.
Ace is the term I'm familiar with, too. I just didn't want to be left in the dark if there was an even more abbreviated version of the abbreviation.
sjdhfjd yes this. i was trying to be cute >\\\<;
Yeah being cute was how I interpreted it. Thanks for the clarification.
hii, dont worry. it happens. i didn't mean to come accross judgemental. i just want to create a little awareness.
i wrote a long ass comment as a kind of guide on how to include everyone. if u want to check that out: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/4367955
Probably "third people" is an appropriate term. Like, in the cold war, there was "first" world and "second" world (not discussing which is which), but then there were bystanding parties not participating in the conflict. They used to be called "third world countries". Happy to help
I see what you mean, though I would probably make the same mistake myself without thinking it through.
What would be a better way to address "everyone"?
this is a little difficult, as social awareness for nonbinary ppl is still developing and we especially dont have a lot of established formal or fancy ways to address/include them.
a few small things i have learned/picked up over time:
example: ladies, gentlemen and everyone inbetween
explanation: some nonbinary identities (genders or not) can be defined in relation to men and women but this is not true for all of them. something like "and inbetween" or "all around them" is therefore not fully inclusive and might even imply an underlying ignorance, which could make ppl feel unseen and misunderstood.
example: ladies, gentlemen and people of all other identities
explanation: something like "ladies, gentlemen and everyone else" ends up reducing all nonbinary genders into one "everyone else" while the two mainstream genders get named directly. this implies that nonbinary identities are less important to the speaker. it's ofc impossible to name all identities individually, so when trying to address everyone, i would try to not seperate into genders at all.
example: ladies, gentlemen and people of all other genders
explanation: the nonbinary umbrella does, next to nonbinary genders, also include people without a gender (agender). so if we try to address everyone by simply including all genders, we might still forget agender people.
sowy for the wall of text. i went all out with formatting in the hope that that might make it more readable.
this is all just my personal perspective and i pwobably didnt get everything right myself. i hope it can still help other ppl be more inclusive :3
All of this is one reason why I find myself using 'fellow humans' as a form of address. Yeah, it sounds like you're an alien overlord in a skin suit, but it's 100% inclusive.
That and (to get all hippy about it) it's a consciousness shifting exercise - refuse divisions when they're not necessary for a specific discussion, think at the level of shared humanity as the default.
This is really great, I appreciate this a lot!
Or you could just do, "hey everyone" and sidestep the whole problem.
basically point 2 in my powerpoint presentation x3
Imagine having no intelligence
That's what a conservative has.
My friend is a journalist who covers right wing extremism and talks to these people all the time. He says the thing they all have in common is they're all dumb as a bag of hammers.
You are safer in a toilet with a trans person than a conservative politician
They outsource their conscience with predicable results.
The con sun on Reddit seems to agree with muslims a lot, they are even aware of “the good” the terrorists do.
They just don’t want to see or interact with them
I don't understand what you mean by "con sun." I also don't quite know what you mean by, "'the good,' the terrorists do." Terrorists can do good, but usually don't. The groups that spawn the terrorists usually have genuine grievances, but the organizations aren't always interested in addressing those grievances as much as they want to be the rulers. That's the case with Hamas, an organization that's been supported by genocidal zionists since its inception. Hamas is almost controlled opposition.
Con subreddit but autocorrect
The good as in harming the people they don’t like
Could have just left it blank.
That's actually a dangerous thing to do. They aren't stupid, they just invested their intelligence into manipulating social systems, including the debate method humans use to resolve disputes, to secure dominance over other people.
Remember those bullies who brutalized you when you all were little? That was just the fascist cultists letting their kids use you for target practice. They've been doing it since they were little kids and were not only supported by their parents, but were taught how.
It's dangerous to write them off as simple country bumpkins.
Hit back. You're allowed to finish fights, just don't start them.
Haters gon hate
Seems accurate.
The difference is something I call "selective collectivism". The pulse shooting means that Muslims are a problem. One trans shooter means that we need an answer to "the trans question". But when white conservatives commit more domestic terrorism than all other groups combined and even gather under a banner that says "we are all domestic terrorists", neither white people nor conservatives will ever be expected to answer for a "domestic terrorism problem". Men make up the vast majority of violent criminals, but to suggest that masculinity needs to examine itself and find a better way forward prompts immediate massive backlash. Is the latest outrage indicative of an entire class of people with deep-seated, fundamental problems or is it yet another lone wolf and absolutely not a reflection on the culture that created it? Depends. Do I personally like the villain?