I'm so frustrated rn.
I have been distro hopping for about 2 weeks now, there's always something that doesn't work. I thought I would stick with Debian and now I haven't been able to make my printer work in it, I think I tried in another distro and it just worked out of the box, but there's always something that's broken in every distro.
I'm sorry I'm just venting, do you people think Ubuntu will work for me? I think I will try it next.
I've been using Linux for 10y and never distro-hopped to solve a problem. Overall I've only used 3 distros as daily drivers. IMO you should look into making things work with a distro you like instead of looking for the perfect off the shelf distro.
Yeah you're probably right, which distro do you use?
kubuntu and endeavouros
I second EndeavourOS. Nothing beats the arch wiki and arch user repository, and combining that with the easy and sane install of EndeavourOS makes it an almost perfect distro.
Iβm not sure OP sounds like someone who into reading Arch News, learning about pacnew/pacsave, etc. thatβs more for hobbyists. An ubuntu flavor or something like Zorin might be better for them and then stick with it and solve any problem that may show up.
To build off of the above poster, some things sometimes take some tweaking to make work. When you distro hop you're really just hopping to a different set of defaults and maybe a few relevant library differences. Learning what to do and how to do it can be daunting but when you get it its brilliant and then you have some idea what you need to do the next time you encounter a similar issue
what is your usecase?
Just gotta learn to fix stuff yourself. Highly unlikely for any distro to be perfect out of the box.
Easier said than done sometimes. That's the advantage of Ubuntu, Mint, etc. β they minimize the number of weird quirks you run into.
OP, my request/suggestion would be the following:
In order for us to better help you consider the following:
On a more general note, you shouldn't feel the need to switch distros even if other distros might offer more convenient solutions.
::: spoiler Story time When I was new to Linux, I wanted to rely on the Chromium browser for cloud gaming through Nvidia GeForce NOW's web platform. For some reason, I just wasn't able to get this to work on Fedora. Somehow, while still being mostly a newbie, I stumbled upon Distrobox and decided to give it a go in hopes of allowing me to overcome the earlier challenge by benefiting of the ArchWiki and the AUR through an Arch distrobox. And voila; -without too much effort- it just worked. More recently, after I've become slightly more knowledgeable on Linux, I just rely on a flatpak to get the same work done. :::
Moral of the story would be that there are a lot of different ways that enable one to overcome challenges like these. And unless you feel the need to go with a system that's (mostly) managed for you (Γ la uBlue)^[1]^, you will face issues every now and then. And the only way to deal with them would be to either setup^[2]^ (GRUB-)Btrfs+Timeshift/Snapper (or similar solutions) such that it automatically snapshots a working state that you might rollback to whenever something unfortunate befalls your system or to simply become ever so better equipped in troubleshooting them yourself.
When I install Linux for friends and family the only distro I use anymore is Fedora. I have used just about every major distro, and Fedora is the only one that has "just worked" on every computer I have tried it on.
Love them, or hate them, Red Hat is by far the single biggest company in the Linux community, and their Red Hat Enterprise Linux is renowned for being stable, performant, and very well supported. Fedora is where most of the updates that make their way into RHEL are initially available, so with Fedora you get a cutting edge distro with the backing and resources of a massive corporation that employs many of the top Linux-desktop contributors.
If you want a distro that "just works" I strongly recommend you give Fedora a try.
You can also try their immutable desktops if you're not planning on tinkering with anything like the kernel and just want to install your apps and have them work.
p.s. if you ever run into performance or weird flickering screen issues with Fedora, switch to x11 on the login screen
You will get tons of distro recommendations, so here is one more: OpenSUSE, then use the YAST GUI GTK application select Yast Printer it has a GUI tool for all kinds of printer setup options and will show recommended drivers based on printer type, it then installs them via that GUI. Not to be confused with the regular printer settings app you see in most distros.
I worked with SuSE. I still have PTSD over how badly it's built. Never again.
How long ago? Everyone has an opinion and preference, but SUSE and RHEL are the only two certifed distros for corporate/ enterprise use of Teamcenter PLM and NX CAD...so it cannot be as "badly" built as you feel it is because it has to perform everyday with the least amount of issues.
I suspect they mean around packaging.
I honestly believe Red Hat has a policy that everything should pull in Gnome. I have had headless RHEL installs and half the CLI tools require Gnome Keyring (even if they don't deal with secrets or store any). Back in RHEL 7, Kate the KDE based Text Editor pulled in a bunch of GTK dependencies somehow.
Certification is really someone paid to go through a process and so its designed so they pass.
Think about the people you know who are Agile/Cloud/whatever certified and how all it means is they have learnt the basic examples.
Its no different when a business gets certified.
The only reason people care is because they can point to the cert if it all goes wrong
I wrote a long reply but looks like posting it glitched. I'll try shortening. I should have noted that the Certification on SUSE and RHEL, is also a certification compatibility matrix. distro ver to software ver, and Siemens needs stable Windows, SUSE, RHEL releases to code to. Trying to install/running on other distros fails in many areas (even with an experiences guru trying fixes). They have a symbiotic relationahip with those curated distros to ensure it doesnt give downtime to a large enterprise. It is not just a piece of paper saying yes we tested the software install here is your signoff. Personally I did get it running on OpenSUSE for obvious reasons.
I wouldn't use "certified" in this context.
Limiting support of software to specific software configurations makes sense.
Its stuff like Debian might be using Python 3.8 Ubuntu Python 3.9, OpenSuse Python 3.9, etc.. Your application might use a Python 3.9 requiring library and act odd on 3.8 but fine on 3.7, etc.. so only supporting X distributions let you make the test/QA process sane.
This is also why Docker/Flatpack exist since you can define all of this.
However the normal mix is RHEL/Suse/Ubuntu because those target businesses and your target market will most likely be running one.
Yeah it is a Known Known and those 3 distros have tried and true reliability. The term certified is what they call it "Certified to run on X" and "Compatibility CertifIcation" it was in response to OP asking if linux is used in corporate world. It is, and for larger operations it is the 3 you mention. Personally I think Ubuntu hasn't made it into the Corporate Desktop apps like SUSE/REL because you install it and have a hairy hippo or faceted cougar head as the backdrop, just doesn't sit well with CEO stuffed shirt types when looking for a professional software.
Linux requires putting in some work to get everything working, just how it is right now.
Pick a distro you like, and stick with solving the issues!
There is not a single distro where everything works out of the box. I would be very surprised if even Windows or MacOS work exactly like you expect, the second you boot into them the first time.
I like Arch / EndeavourOS, but you will definitely need quiet some configuration for them. If you want more user-friendly or more up-to-date Debian, try Sparky Linux. It's honestly quite good. Instead of Ubuntu you might want to give Mint a try. Many fancy it as a more open and less corpo alternative.
Ubuntu itself is alright, but it's being criticised for pushing anti-consumer moves lately (i.e. forcing Snaps and telemetry onto them). Also, updates on Ubuntu are extremely slow in my experience. Maybe that has changed, but in some areas I doubt it.
On the other hand, if hardware manufacturers or software developers test their products with one Linux distribution, it will be Ubuntu. So that's generally the safest bet - and that's coming from someone who doesn't use Ubuntu.
Windows generally does work exactly like that. It's the reason it has such a huge market share of desktops.
Windows breaks something all the time. Just the other week I had to fix their stupid new Email program for my dad.
There are many reasons why their market share is so high:
That is absolutely not true, Ubuntu has been a lot more out of the box experience for almost 2 decades. Thing is people are already familiar on how to do things on Windows, and most laptops already come with windows and drivers pre installed. Windows 10 was the first version to have a driver manager that could find the correct drivers for you, still you need to waste a few hours and reboots to get all of the drivers and updates.
But let's be honest it still really isn't an out of the box experience.
Just look at all the shit with Snap you see constantly.
No, it's not, I said it's more of an out of box experience than windows, not that it was perfect
As a very casual user, I can say that windows has intuitive solutions to issues that may arise. At least there are some things users can try by just using logic.
In Linux, solving issues requires you to type in the Romanian national anthem backwards, speperated by ; and the ocational "sudo" and "apt get"
If you tried to stumble your way around the UI on Linux you'll probably find very similar UI paths to solve any issue. The thing is that Linux has several different UIs so when you ask in a forum it's easier to give you the UI-agnostic solution. Let's take a common issue with an apparent arcane solution, e.g. change your screen positions. On windows you do this by going start > settings > system > display and adjust them there, on Linux you'll get given an xrandr command like
xrandr --output HDMI-0 --left-of DP-2, but on KDE you go start > system settings > display and monitor and adjust them there, but because you might be using Gnome, Lxde, XFCE, Mate, etc (all of which have a very similarly intuitive path to adjust this) it's easier to give you a command that does it.For the first several years I used Linux I almost didn't touched the terminal, and that was a long time ago so it's not that it's not possible or recent, it's just that because windows has only a single graphical interface you get answers for it, but if you ask things on generic Linux forums you'll get generic Linux responses, if you had to do things without asking anyone online they're very much the same.
@cosmicrookie the intuitive solution to error 0x4f63e78 would be...? Because that's how Windows issues typically are: no explanation of what has failed, only an hex string
I'm just saying that if something breaks in windows, i more or less know where i can go and change some setting that may help. I realise that because linux has so many variations, this is not a viable way, but its still a fact that its more complicated for me to solve an issue by myself om linux than or windows, as well as finding a solution for it on the internet. I'm not against linux, it's just a feedback to the conversation about it, compared to windows
No offense but this is highly anecdotal. When my Linux systems broke, I've always found good leads to solutions on the internet with a good search. On the other hand, every time Windows broke on me, it's been near impossible to find relevant information as everything is drowned in a sea of basic nonsense, and the built-in tools that were supposed to help me, e.g., revert the system to a previous state, either errored out or did nothing, leaving me only with reinstalling the whole system as an option. Absolute nightmare.
For me, I guess I needed to find solution to fewer things on windows issues than on Linux issues. Basically anything I wanted changed on Linux needed me to search for a solution. Many of the things I wanted changed on windows, I could do without a search
It's exactly the opposite for me. Why? Because I'm just not used to Windows and nothing is where I expect it, or works as I would expect, and a lot of it makes no sense to me. On the other hand, I've been daily driving Linux since 2010 and I know what to do for most of the things I want to change in my system.
It's literally just a matter of what you're used to. Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
Yes.
Seconded. Just don't run it on incompatible hardware, okay? πΉ
This is the kind of post that scares me away from trying Linux.
Why? Under Windows or Mac OS too, there's always something that doesn't quite work right.
My current work forces me to work with Apple (because they are lazy to prepare Linux for working), I have been on Linux for almost 10 years and I really want to quit my Job because of this stupid Apple laptop, it is trash, the DE is stupid, and I have many issues (with settings, login items, alacritty not working... yabai stopped to work without any reason...) that stresses me a lot... So good, I love my work and I still enjoy working, but the macOS is pure trash.
I prefer Linux and Iβm OK with macOS. Windows on the other hand I dislike, it has bloated complex middleware and tries to control me like a hand puppet. I can work on it but given the choice I go elsewhere.
I can't with macOS, even they keybinding makes no sense... it's such a pain and I love Linux too much. About Windows... it at least has an easier way to manage the app windows and minimize and get it back properly, on macOS I need to install third party tools to be able to switch from windows from the same app, and it's really a mess and slower than a built-in grid and windows switch manager. Also, if you are an expert of Windows you can always remove much bloated stuff, there are some high skilled Windows users that know how to clean their Windows OS, the only problem is WSL2 isn't working properly for me, it is limited compared to a decent Linux system and on Linux you can always run Windows apps with wine, so I don't see why I would want to use Windows haha.
True, but most of the fixes are super dumbed down (for the audience).
I told my sibling to search up
how to download an image and set it as a background(you can search it up if you want to see if you get the same results) and I get stupid ass articles telling me to download the windows photo app on my phone and sign in with Microsoft photos or some shit and sync it to my signed in Windows desktop and set it as a background photo. Wtf is that?For context, my sibling is on Ubuntu and the basic steps are pretty much the same on both Windows and Ubuntu: save image as, then right click on file and set as background.
In firefox, you can even just right click an image from the web and set it as the background directly.
That's pretty cool. We're both using firefox based browsers (librewolf) so I gotta check that out
You can always try Linux risk free in a virtual machine like VirtualBox.
If you like what you see, and you have any valuable data backed-up, you can try dual booting. That way you get to use Linux as your primary operating system, but can switch back and forth as much as needed.
I found I was dual booting Windows and Linux for over 3 years before I was comfortable enough to stop using Windows entirely. Switching to Linux doesn't have to be an all-or-nothing approach. You can take it as slow as you want.
I was in the same boat but Linux Mint just literally worked. Easiest transition ever. I keep my Windows dual boot because I need MS Office for work but I'm in mint 95% of the time with no tinkering.
Then stay away. If you don't like to tinker with things it's not for you.
The only reason you should ever distro hop is for fun
Naah I think it's super useful to know a bit about all popular distros. This makes you able to actually take part in conversations about what distro to pick for example.
I've ran them all at some point in my life, which makes me able to understand that it's not just "different package manager" as some people say.
Conversations about what distro to pick are often the biggest reasons it is hard to pick a distro.
I mean, people say that, but for me it wasn't a problem, I just picked one when I got started. Didn't feel like a major decision since you can just switch again if you are unhappy.
I feel ya. I was the same way. They said don't distro hop so that was the first thing I did π€£ I guess the thing with a lot other people is they are used to the thing that "just works" (whatever the fuck that means).
For them, I just tell them use PopOS. Good distro. Little fuss. Maintained by a company with interest in keeping it going.
That said, I'm teaching a class this afternoon to CS majors and the first thing I'm having them do is install Arch in a vm π
Shit, that's sound like a really cool class... Hope they enjoy it. :)
Install Ubuntu and be done. I'm able to print to my brother network printer with no special drivers. I installed a gnome tweaks package to do some minor tweaks in gnome, and I did rip out the Firefox snap thing to install Firefox from a package so I could use my kpxc plugin, but that's the only major change I made. Hell, Dell (laptop) even provides firmware updates via the package manager so your bios gets updated properly. Best Linux desktop experience I've ever had over the past 5 years and I've been daily driving Ubuntu since 2004.
Linux mint I would say its the one that tends to have better support in a large amount of hardware and it was the first one that I was able to stick with
Did you try Linux Mint Cinnamon? What about Linux Mint Debian Edition? They're improved versions of Ubuntu and Debian, respectively.
What printer are you trying to use and how is it connected to your machine?
Ubuntu will work, sticking to Ubuntu based system is good to have stuff just work. For Gnome UI just use Ubuntu, for KDE use Kubuntu.
If you don't like Ubuntu as a company you can always use these instead: PopOS for Gnome and KDE Neon for KDE. Both are very stable with great support. I've been running KDE Neon for years now.
Out of curiosity, what distros did you try?
Hi, I tried endeavor, Linux mint, manjaro, mx Linux, and I don't remember what else. I have a question, is Gnome really popular? For me it doesn't make sense, it feels it was made for tablets or something like that.
Absolutely, it's very popular. It's pretty similar to MacOS since it comes with a global menu by default. It's pretty popular since the design is very consistent and looks good. They also have excellent support for new features (except Wayland). Gnome is popular with people that only want to customise the most important ports and just want a standard OS that is well thought out and accessible.
I do watch a lot of content about Linux distros, but I'm not a Gnome user so I can't give good examples of customisation and differences between KDE and Gnome.
Here's a review from a guy on YouTube I like on Gnome 45 that used Gnome as a daily driver for years. https://youtu.be/RQSA0nZaF6M?si=7UUEmWKG41gaU0uS
Btw, can replicate the same layout on KDE because of the high level of customization it provides. It can all done through the UI, as all OS changes should be done.
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Linux is kinda like a 3d printer. You can end up tinkering and tuning more than printing.
2d printers are just cursed and have been since the dawn of mankind though. Go to https://openprinting.org/printers/ and see if your printer is in there and if it is which functionality header it is under. I'm assuming it isn't capable of driverless if debian didn't work and the other distro just happened to have something preinstalled. Unless debian doesn't handle driverless printing out of the box. I've only used debian headless for server stuff so I'm just making assumptions.
Arch maintainers recommend against aur helpers but for quite some time I just did exactly that and got the drivers for whatever jank ass printer I had at the time that way. Most of the official ones I have encountered are rpm and I hadn't used fedora or other rpm distros until recently, and the aur pkgbuilds would unpack the rpm and install the drivers the arch way. Incidentally, last I tried silverblue/ublue/kinoite etc can't install the brother printer rpms via rpm-ostree so having a driverless capable printer was lucky considering it was just randomly given to me by a friend that moved away.
If you share the printer model, someone here can probably also figure out what needs to be done without you having to go through a bunch of troubleshooting too.
Linux Mint is where I always go crawling back to. I have hopped so damn much. Mint sometimes needs a newer kernel installed, but I'll be damned if that Ubuntu base doesn't help with printers, graphics drivers, and scanners. Getting that to work on Arch was a blast and a half, on Mint I literally just turned my network printer on and it found it. IDK, you can do anything and there is always some issue eventually.
What do you want out of your system?
There are two more I'd reccomend as its what my family and friends have been using and have ran into literally, zero issues.
Linux mint (specifically cinnamon edition) is very stable, and customizable if you're into that sorta thing, you can install custom kernels and get greatly improved performance out of gaming if thats your thing. It's built off of Ubuntu (but just better) so there's great support for it, especially with devices such as printers.
Fedora Kinoite is a solid, also well supported, immutable distribution which will either make your life easier, or more difficult.
Immutable means you can't change anything in your root directory, so basically your "C: Drive". You still have a regular file system and can install all your apps, but the operating system stays the same as everyone else's and is something that by design, never breaks and "just works", and is what I personally use.
Pop_OS is definitely another option if you have "newer" hardware and Linux Mint doesn't work for you and you don't like the immutability of Fedora Kinoite (you can always try regular Fedora KDE). But I'd personally reccomend just the first two. But Pop is also built off of Ubuntu, so you still get that great hardware support.
But please, avoid stock Ubuntu. Ubuntu has far gone away from being a beginner, "just works" distro.
Hope this helped! Please reply or message me if you have any issues or are confused, or you can always ask for some more help within this community as well!
Thanks for the information, I'll check them out.
I've found ubuntu distros to be pretty good for 'stuff just works". My daily driver is xubuntu. That said, I've never tried using a printer with it. Good luck OP.
For first time plug-n-play distros, I either go with Linux Mint or Fedora, for me they have the best results for just working.
And make sure when installing them, you always check to use proprietary drivers and codecs if it's an option, that will save you a bunch of trouble down the line.
Funnily enough, Fedora is the only distro I've ever had and still have the infamous Linux sound driver problems with
BTW distro is the cure for this kind of anxiety.
If you're sticking with Deb based distros. Ubuntu Kubuntu - same as Ubuntu but kde Kde neon Pop_os
You might could try Manjaro. I have pretty good luck with it.
It's not Deb or apr. But it has the aur.
Good luck op!
EndeavourOS is pretty good, too; also Arch-based with an easy installer.
The advantage to Arch-based-distros is rolling releases, and the Arch wiki instructions are more easily followed. And right now, the Arch wiki is probably the single best resource for Linux instructions and troubleshooting on the web.
I daily drive endeavour and love it to bits but let's not recommend it to someone who wants an OS with no fuss. It WILL break and require experience to fix. Remember the grub update fiasco?
No. Was there a grub issue? I've only been running it for about 10 mos, but have had no issues in that time.
https://endeavouros.com/news/full-transparency-on-the-grub-issue/
A LOT of people's PCs were bricked, including mine. No boot, just blank screen with blinking cursor. Thankfully Endeavour's team was quick to react (quicker than Arch, as it happens) and published a full tutorial on how to chroot into your system and downgrade grub, but that already required a good level of knowledge and confidence in the Linux system as none of this was trivial, or intuitive for any stretch of the imagination. I woudl imagine most affected EndeavourOS users who were new-ish to Linux threw the towel that day. Wouldn't blame them, it was jarring even for me, and it wasn't my first chroot.
That sounds stressfull! It'd put me off a distro, too. I had something similar happen in the early days of Gentoo - multiple times. Those trials by fire did teach me a lot, and I'm now consequently far more sanguine about the boot process, and thank god these days we have smart phones as mini-backup computers to search for solutions! Still, we're in a time when PCs are not as indispensible, and having one down for a couple days can be a minor disaster.
Rolling updates or no, I rarely
-Syuon my desktop more than once a week, and most of my machines get that TLC more like monthly. And sometimes I'll hold out packages that require rebooting, because FTN. It probably contributes to the fact I've avoided these types of dramas --statistically.Yeop, you can say that again. Can't read the Arch wiki on a Nokia 3310 for sure lol
Tbh I'm not too careful about updates, I have regular backups and grub exploding wasn't enough to stop me, so eeeeh, if something really goes awfully wrong I have enough free time to deal with it and use it as a learning experience. I know I should be smarter about them like you are, but on my personal computer I just cannot be asked. ^^
TIL being lazy is "smart".
Nokia 3310!! Those were the days. When you had drive over to your hosting provider (some guy's garage, who was paying for a T1) so you could sit at your server (a tower you'd built) to fix something that an upgrade had broken. Those experiences with dependency hell put me off Redhat forever.
Eyy friend, guess what! An update broke my EOS install again! Wish me luck lol
Edit: found brick mates: https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/19bc9b8/plymouth_splash_screen_causing_black_screen_and/
Edit2: Honestly, I daily drove Fedora for years, didn't do a clean install from fedora 13 through 25 and it worked like a charm. I guess they improved wildly since your Redhat days!
Are you updating with eos-update, or yay? TBH, I only use yay, or pacman. I don't imagine it makes any difference, but... IDK. I happened to upgrade and reboot two EOS machine yesterday, with again no issues. Are you running an NVidia card? I'm an Radeon guy, won't touch NVidia, myself. How about Wayland? I've alwayw found Wayland to be super flakey, which keeps me on X.
I dunno. I wonder why you're having so many issues, while for me EOS has just been Arch with an easier install.
Mostly using eos-update by clicking on the notification, unless I'm on a terminal where I still have the yay reflex from arch. I should remember to use eos-update though, I do appreciate the extra housekeeping.
Nop, I avoid nvidia as much as I can as well, I already can't avoid it at work, too much driver drama. Ryzen and radeon it is, with (almost) no fuss.
Also mostly using wayland, it works well even on KDE, but got Xorg around just in case, and I've had the occasional issue on both. That being said, it's plymouth that blows up, long before the graphical session is opened, so that shouldn't have an influence either.
Maybe I'm just a black cat, and/or maybe it just comes with the territory when you stay long enough on a bleeding-edge-use-at-your-own-risk kinda distro and update almost every day. Something's bound to go wrong eventually. Which, has also "been Arch with an easier install" for me, tbf.
Gonna investigate a bit more today, couldn't be asked yesterday. But if you're curious I can keep you updated when I find a fix. :)
Edit: Found the solution by essentially doing the same thing the folks on reddit did with nvidia by enabling early KMS start, and learning quite a bit along the way. Apparently it's now required by Plymouth and my system didn't get the memo? Or something? Eh it works.
Ah. K, I think the differrence is that I'm the outlier. Your system has far larger components, with more moving parts, which I think is more common:
On most of my systems, I'm not running any graphical system; they're all servers. That eliminates a huge amount of stack that can fail. On all but non-servers I run X, which is very stable (in that upgrades almost never impact it) on non-Nvidia GPUs. And of those, all but one run herbstluftwm - Gnome and KDE are both large systems with a lot of moving parts, any of which can break (or be broken) -- in your case, it was Plasma, a KDE component. And the last desktop is running Budgie which, while still Gnome, is a lighter one based on the older GTK3. All of these things tend to make for more stable systems.
But, most people are probably running fancier, full desktop software. Larger, more complex, more development, more frequent changes. And, consequently, more prone to cascading packaging breakages, like the Plasma one.
I think if I were using software like that, I'd consider either giving up Arch and using an immutable distro, or using something like snapper or timeshift that allows boot-time system roll-backs.
If I remember correctly I liked manjaro and endeavor when I tried them, but the "night color" feature which is very important to me wouldn't work Idk why.
does night light actually work? I used them for a while, turned it off for color and I didn't notice a difference. Isn't it just placibo or just very minimal effect?
Ah I don't use that so I can't speak to it.
:/
Ubuntu in my experience works best out of the box and has the best support reference online. Ubuntu works out of the box save for the webcam where Debian doesn't even boot on my MacBook.
What printer do you have?
I have an epson L4260, I downloaded a driver that was supposedly for Debian, it was a .deb file that I installed but nothing happened, I added the printer but it just wouldn't print.
That printer shouldn't even need a driver to work. It should just show up if it's connected to the same network as your computer.
I'm just taking a guess here but is the .deb you installed a program you have to run to do the setup? My one printer I had to run a program to start scanning every time.
Are you using it via WiFi or usb? Are you able to see both the printer and the scanner in the printer configuration panel?
Usually it takes me less then two weeks to get e.g. a printer to work. Your problem is not the distro but the hopping.
Yeah, Ubuntu works well for me. Ubuntu is operated by the Canonical corporation, which some people don't like. If you would prefer a community-run Ubuntu-like OS, Mint is just as good as Ubuntu. Fedora is also one of the best community-run distros that always just works, especially when running the Gnome desktop environment.
I will say that until last month when I upgraded to Ubuntu version 23.10 (technically Xubuntu), Ubuntu always just worked with all of my hardware. But for some reason this last upgrade broke my wake-from-suspend function. This is the first problem I have had with it in many, many years, so I might actually switch to Mint or Fedora myself. EDIT: I figured out that the problem was being caused by the power manager daemon, I worked around this problem by disabling display power management (dims the display if you don't use it for a while) in the Xfce settings manager, "Power Manager" panel, "Display" tab, switching the "Display power management" switch off.
I'm a recent Linux convert I started with Debian testing and that worked out of the box for everything except Nvidia drivers. I hopped from Debian testing over to Pop Os because Debian testing wasn't supported for a bunch of random things I wanted to use. I stopped using pop os a couple of weeks ago because it would crash all the time and was going to jump to Ubuntu just so pretty much everything would be supported. That flash drive install was corrupted so I ended up on nobara and have loved it with no issues so far.
Zorin OS is the way to go if you are sticking with the Debian/Ubuntu family. It's basically the Mac OS of Linux distributions, by shipping with a level of polish that other distributions don't deliver. To me this means I did zero tinkering out of the box to have the experience I wanted after spending a day configuring KDE in other distributions any time I did a reinstall. As far as printers go, they have always been hit or miss, but my problems were solved by disabling IPv6 on my local network.
Give Zorin a try. It's based on Ubuntu but even more user friendly - so much so that my elderly mother has no issues using it, she even prints and scans (a Brother MFD) and has no issues.
Archlinux has the best wiki and community for every type of issue.
Yes, there is always something that won't work. This often happens with Windows (not too often, but it happens), but most often with Macs. Linux is quite buggy in the userspace area, I usually find bugs or crashes within an hour of using any linux distro. The one with the FEWER bugs is definitely Debian. But it does that by not using hacks or beta drivers or software. This creates a rock solid architecture, but some hardware won't work (in my case, it was the sound chip for an intel J-series cpu that required a third party patch to work and recompile the kernel -- while Ubuntu ships with that patch by default, but ubuntu has way more other bugs all around).
So at the end, you will have to ask yourself if you want Linux because it's the right thing to do and use, or you just don't want to be bothered with ideology, and just use Windows and be done with it. I've asked myself that question and the answer is two fold: as a daily browser laptop, that doesn't depend on third party hardware, I just use my Macbook Air. It's a great laptop to have around in front of the TV, or traveling. For third party hardware dependency, and video editing, I use Windows with an nvidia card. For everything else, I use Linux. I have 8-9 computers, most run Linux. I create databases with it, I do some photo editing, financials etc.
Why would you use Debian, it has the oldest packages and kernel of all distros. I would maybe run that on a server, but probably just use Ubuntu LTS instead.
For desktop you should try Pop OS. Really good distro from System 76.
Stay away from Ubuntu, it's very buggy for desktop. I tried it six months ago, fresh install, and the console app wouldn't even open on a fresh install. No error message, just didn't open. Great impression.....
Care to explain how you come to your harsh judgment of Debian? I'm not a fan of using it as a desktop OS either, but every other day you hear people talking about Debian having newer packages than Arch on occasion. If anything, Debian, Arch, Fedora and derivatives should give you the most recent packages.
I don't know which people you are listening to, but Debian does not have newer packages than arch. It has older packages than almost all other distros. You can see this on distrowatch for yourself also.
The idea of Debian is that old = stable, which I don't agree with personally. As an example, users of Debian are reporting tons of KDE Plasma bugs that was already fixed, but because they are running an ancient version, they still have the bugs.
But it depends. It's correct that new versions of plasma had new bugs, that was fixed in the coming weeks or months.
I guess a better way of describing Debian is that it has old bugs instead of new ones, since it stays on older versions.
Debian isn't old == stable, its tested == stable.
Debian has an effective Rolling distribution through testing than can get ahead of Arch.
At some point they freeze the software versions in testing and look for Release Critical and Major bugs. Once they have shaken everything and submitted fixes where possible. It then becomes stable.
The idea is people have tested a set baseline of software and there are no known major bugs.
For the 4-5 releases Debian has released every 2 years (Similar to Ubuntu LTS). Debian tends to align its release with LTS Kernel and Mesa releases so there have been times the latest stable is running newer versions than Ubuntu and the newest software crown switches between Ubuntu LTS and Debian each year.
For some the priority to run software that won't have major bugs, that is what Debian, Ubuntu LTS and RHEL offer.
I wouldn't call a distro "branch" where maintainers say "don't use this, it's not officially supported and may even be insecure" an "effective" distribution. I'd consider it a test bed.
* Ubuntu LTS.
Ubuntu's regular channel releases every 6 months, similar to Fedora or NixOS. That in itself is already a "stable" distro, just not long-time stable (LTS).
So Debian can for a short span of time after release be about as fresh as stable distros which is ..kinda obvious? I would not consider a month or so every 2 years to be significant to even mention though, especially if you consider that Debian users aren't the kind to jump onto a new release early on.
That's not the point of those distros at all. The point is to have the same features aswell as bugs for longer periods of time. This is because some functionality the user wants could depend on such bugs/unintended behaviour to be present.
The fact that huge regressions have to be weeded out more carefully before release in LTS is obvious if you know that it'd be expected for those "bugs" to remain present throughout the release's support window.
The idea is that those bug fixes would be backported as patches; old feature version + new security/bug fixes.
In practice, that's really expensive to do, so often times bug fixes simply aren't backported and I don't even want to know the story of security fixes though I'd hope they do better there.
Most operating systems mostly work find something that has a release cadence you like and is close to what you want then you will have to customize it to fit your needs
Ubuntu actually worked for some people, who, for example, had trouble with PopOS! and getting highest refresh rate on multiple monitors. So yeah, if Ubuntu doesn't work, try Zorin OS, and if that doesn't work, try Manjaro, and if Manjaro doesn't work, there so many more to try out!